Back to the 90s

[SandeepMotta]

Watching the Asia Cup their is a strong sense of Deja Vu and feels like we are back to the 90s. Pakistan again pace like fire, SriLanka punching above their weight and India back to trundlers and Indian coaches talking about line and length and how pace doesn't matter and we will continue to lose unless we get change the selection committee whi us full of trubdlers from the 90s or the coaching setup(again the bowling coach is a trundler from the 90s).

[Norman]

They may be a mediocre Test and decent at best odi side but Pakistan knows how to play T20 cricket. And most importantly , they know how to approach a bowling innings of a T20 game. India, with all the IPL jamlebaazi still hasn't figured out how to approach T20 bowling. 

 

 

[SandeepMotta]

5 minutes ago, Norman said:

They may be a mediocre Test and decent at best odi side but Pakistan knows how to play T20 cricket. And most importantly , they know how to approach a bowling innings of a T20 game. India, with all the IPL jamlebaazi still hasn't figured out how to approach T20 bowling. 

 

 

Its the sudden live for trundlers which is a worrying factor and it will cost us test matches too if this continues.

[coffee_rules]

They are strong in UAE esp in T20s. 

[Number]

I don't buy the narrative that we were absolutely crap in 90s. Our full strength team was a good match to Pakistan or any other side that time.

With Sachin from 1995-2000 we played them 32 teams and won 14 while they won 16. 

Take into count we played some of the worst fixers like Azhar, Ajay and Mongia.

The gap between us and them wasn't very big in ODIs.

Edited September 11, 2022 by Number

[Frustrated]

In the 90s, we hardly had any bowler who could bowl at 140+.   Now we hv plenty.    Idiotic Selectors went with a trundler attack in this Asia cup probably becz they thought that express pace is not needed in UAE.  Bumrah Injury did not help either.    We had Siraj as back up who looked in good rythm in Zim and was bowling at 140+ consistently. But they went with Aweful Khan.   LOL

[Vilander]

53 minutes ago, SandeepMotta said:

Watching the Asia Cup their is a strong sense of Deja Vu and feels like we are back to the 90s. Pakistan again pace like fire, SriLanka punching above their weight and India back to trundlers and Indian coaches talking about line and length and how pace doesn't matter and we will continue to lose unless we get change the selection committee whi us full of trubdlers from the 90s or the coaching setup(again the bowling coach is a trundler from the 90s).

mohanty

chetan

kuruvilla 

 

absolute rank trundlers who were failures for most part. They want to validate their incompetence as a virtue and want to bring back the trundler culture. Dravid the good boy the soft boy is a perfect folly. 
 

f them both and bring back a fast bowling backing culture for wins overseas.

regressive

[Vilander]

And please don’t bring in Pakistan here, they played the team out against them. If India held on to crucial catches things could have been different. 
 

but the key lesson is to block an all trundler attack, it never works.

[Vilander]

Bumrah Siraj and a couple of speed merchants are a must, expose the Kashmiri and Moshin , Nagar  Mavi Tyagi etc so many to pick from - lol it’s criminal to not try them quickly.

[Suhaan]

34 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Bumrah Siraj and a couple of speed merchants are a must, expose the Kashmiri and Moshin , Nagar  Mavi Tyagi etc so many to pick from - lol it’s criminal to not try them quickly.

We need pace lovers atleast one of them in the selection panel,all of them by default are dibbly dobbly trundlers

And a bowling coach like Steyn,Tait

[Vijy]

48 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

We need pace lovers atleast one of them in the selection panel,all of them by default are dibbly dobbly trundlers

And a bowling coach like Steyn,Tait

imagine an Oz attack with Tait, Brett Lee, cummins, and the two mitchells at their peak. that would be one fearsome attack in terms of speed alone - I know they didn't all play at the same time.

 

against that, we should hypothetically field in this imaginary match: bhuvi, unadcutter, harshal, dhawal

[Suhaan]

3 minutes ago, Vijy said:

imagine an Oz attack with Tait, Brett Lee, cummins, and the two mitchells at their peak. that would be one fearsome attack in terms of speed alone - I know they didn't all play at the same time.

 

against that, we should hypothetically field in this imaginary match: bhuvi, unadcutter, harshal, dhawal

You missed Sakaria

Edited September 11, 2022 by Suhaan

[Vijy]

Just now, Suhaan said:

You missed Sakaria

I missed quite a few. we have an overabundance of trundlers. perhaps play an all-kumar attack vs the one I mentioned: boobi, praveen, mukesh and ravi (U19 bowler). they can manage an avg speed of 120 with difficulty.

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Number said:

I don't buy the narrative that we were absolutely crap in 90s. Our full strength team was a good match to Pakistan or any other side that time.

With Sachin from 1995-2000 we played them 32 teams and won 14 while they won 16. 

Take into count we played some of the worst fixers like Azhar, Ajay and Mongia.

The gap between us and them wasn't very big in ODIs.

Our team actually improved due to arrival of Ganguly and Dravid. The chase during 1997 Independence Cup (Kanitkar's famous boundry), it was setup by Ganguly and Robin Singh.

 

In the Toronto Cup of 1997 where we beat Pakistan 4-1, Ganguly won 4 consecutive MOM's and single handedly destroyed Pakistan with both bat and ball, all this despite of the fact that our main pacers were Mohanty, Kuruvilla and Harvinder Singh.

 

We again had a little dip during 1999 when Shoaib arrived, as we had never faced such high pace ever, and I guess during that time under Akram's captaincy Pakistan won Asian Test Championship and Asia Cup back to back. 

Edited September 11, 2022 by singhvivek141

[Vijy]

33 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Our team actually improved due to arrival of Ganguly and Dravid. The chase during 1997 Independence Cup (Kanitkar's famous boundry), it was setup by Ganguly and Robin Singh.

 

In the Toronto Cup of 1997 where we beat Pakistan 4-1, Ganguly won 4 consecutive MOM's and single handedly destroyed Pakistan with both bat and ball, all this despite of the fact that our main pacers were Mohanty, Kuruvilla and Harvinder Singh.

 

We again had a little dip during 1999 when Shoaib arrived, as we had never faced such high pace ever, and I guess during that time under Akram's captaincy Pakistan won Asian Test Championship and Asia Cup back to back. 

actually, all 3 of them were not bad ODI bowlers.

[Number]

50 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Our team actually improved due to arrival of Ganguly and Dravid. The chase during 1997 Independence Cup (Kanitkar's famous boundry), it was setup by Ganguly and Robin Singh.

 

In the Toronto Cup of 1997 where we beat Pakistan 4-1, Ganguly won 4 consecutive MOM's and single handedly destroyed Pakistan with both bat and ball, all this despite of the fact that our main pacers were Mohanty, Kuruvilla and Harvinder Singh.

 

We again had a little dip during 1999 when Shoaib arrived, as we had never faced such high pace ever, and I guess during that time under Akram's captaincy Pakistan won Asian Test Championship and Asia Cup back to back. 

 

In 1999 we didn't have Sachin bfore world cup. Then we lost like 7 ODI matches in row to them.

[cricketfan28]

not sure pak had better openers in 90, don;t think rizwan and babar will make ti to 15 man squad in the 90s.

Edited September 11, 2022 by cricketfan28

[express bowling]

5 hours ago, SandeepMotta said:

Watching the Asia Cup their is a strong sense of Deja Vu and feels like we are back to the 90s. Pakistan again pace like fire, SriLanka punching above their weight and India back to trundlers and Indian coaches talking about line and length and how pace doesn't matter and we will continue to lose unless we get change the selection committee whi us full of trubdlers from the 90s or the coaching setup(again the bowling coach is a trundler from the 90s).

 

 

Only in India will you see people preferring Swords when Assault Rifles are available.

 

Using 125 k pacers, when 145 k pacers are available, won't happen anywhere else in the World. 

[Vilander]

5 hours ago, Suhaan said:

We need pace lovers atleast one of them in the selection panel,all of them by default are dibbly dobbly trundlers

And a bowling coach like Steyn,Tait

Imagine a Srinath in selection committee he is outspoken, or an Agarkar. And bring in Steyn as a coach. Think tanks complexion changes l, I don’t think those guys will undervalue an Umran or a Tyagi or Prasidh like this. 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Vilander

[Jay]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

actually, all 3 of them were not bad ODI bowlers.

I believe kurvilla atleast had some bounce right? They were tall.