zen Posted October 6, 2022 Posted October 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, express bowling said: Having observed Indian selectors for years and years, they almost surely decided their first choice 11 and their backups, well in advance, probably just after the IPL ended. By looking at the T20I games played before the World Cup, especially the Asia Cup and the 2 series that followed, it was quite apparent that .... The first choice bowlers almost surely were 7. Jadeja 8. Harshal 9. Bhuvi 10. Bumrah 11. Chahal Backups 7. Axar 8. Deepak C 9. Arshdeep / Deepak C 10. Avesh 11. Bishnoi / Kuldeep And being happy that they have made a fool proof plan with backups, they tried and tested mostly these bowlers only. The fallacies of this plan are IMO .... 1. The playing conditions in Australia were largely ignored while selecting this group of pacers. 2. They did not question whether the first choice bowlers should be automatic choices, especially in Austrslia. They were chosen because they are the established bowlers for T20Is. 3. Whether like for like backups of the original choices were indeed needed or whether they could better the quality of those backups. and the bowling composition as a result. 4. With Bumrah getting injured in England, they should have created atleast 2 backups for this position as Avesh was untested and could fail. 5. Rohit said that, for Bumrah's replacement, they want someone who has experience of playing in Australia. So, why was Avesh tried for so many matches ? 6. Who is Axar's backup now ? Yes, as I wrote here, Moshin was discarded for dodgy hamstring on May 22nd, when the squad for T20s against SA was picked; Moshin actually played the eliminator against RCB on May 25th! And when KL & Kuldeep got injured, they were sent to NCA, however, nothing on Moshin. Not just the selectors, when the regular captain returned, guys like Umran where immediately out of favor despite doing well in the warm up T20 in Eng - Link ... When Umrah had helped India win a game in Ireland and appeared the most threatening in the warm up game. express bowling 1
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 6, 2022 Author Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, express bowling said: Picking a squad now is not the only role of the selectors. Having a clear vision of the needed players and their backups for the Workd Cup, and trying them out in the last 12 months, is the full exercise. Even if someone is not happy with players X, Y and Z, unless the probable replacements have been tried out in recent T20Is, it is difficult to pick them. Avesh Arshdeep Harshal Umran All were tried and given fair run , only umran didnt get a run and it was due to his limitations. Least of all u cant blame selectors for not giving him a fair run since u urself werent ready to back him . U wanted him to get A games now he has gotten that too. Bhuvi and deepak also had to be given their games coz u cant bring them out of cold In one year if u have to give a fair run to everyone thats the max u can cover in terms of players. They marked their players and gave them a fair run which we criticised previous mngt for not doing. Now someone like praisdh had a chance to showcase his skills in ODI , may not be a same format but still he cud have used middle overs to display his skills of bowling hard lengths but instead he started floating . He even was quite below avg in IPL in middle overs. Had he been performing he wud have been picked omce avesh failed since he as already with the setup . Will u blame selectors for his poor bowling in Wi, eng or even zimb . Siraj was responsible himself for a terrible IPL where he conceded most sixes by any bowler in IPL history and had a 14 eco at death. I want siraj now and few here but still no one is confident about him and rightly so . He isnt helping his chances even now by dropping catches whereas his competitors like chahar n thakur are not only in wkts but giving extra value with bat Mohsin , tyagi fitness is still unknown to all and everyone have their theory. Tyagi did get injured in that game where he bowled 2nd fastest ball. I think tyagi was injured even at start of this IPL seasons when he joined the camp late. He has hardly played to be even considered in last 2 yrs at any level. Selectors had their vision and every role worked just that some of the personnel didnt work and injury concerns to others. The only replacement currently we are struggling is bumrah and u cant find replacements of guys like bumrah n archer in world cricket. This post is about - if you are unhappy with the squad put ur thinking hat on and work out a solution , even if u envisoned a road map year ago u also cudnt have controlled form n fitness. If you dont have some better options in mind dont see why are u complaining Edited October 6, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Posted October 7, 2022 7 hours ago, Lord said: 'I have same doubt about Khaleel too. Not played since IPL I checked he is not named in rajasthan sma squad also
Need4Speed Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) Well..I m more frustrated about this ODI series more..I have already given up on world cup hopes… so if you dont expect world cup from squad then I can provide my xi to gain experience only and not world cup…esp bowlers..I am happy with batting esp as now they are trying to be agressive.. I am looking for the bowlers in couple of years time..grooming them..international matches..in A tours as well..in pace academy..fitness wise etc too Sen,Umran,Tyagi,Mohsin,Bawa,Prasidh,Bishnoi,Hangarekar,Mavi and some more.. We have the money..Special task force need to be created..all efforts are need to be made to develop: -consistency to bowl channel/stock balls -improve fitness,focus,mental conditioning -optimize run up/bowling action as long as it doesnt tinker too much on natural action -improve bowling skills..while maintaing natural skills -practice bowling in various scenarios —assuring they get enough opportunity at higher levels to track improvement how they are applying what they are working so far —AND Most importantly..develop these things at high pace that they have and dont ask them to sacrifice pace —they can also keep Arshdeep in the mix if they can get his pace 5k more and develop the inswing Edited October 7, 2022 by Need4Speed express bowling 1
nitinbwj Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 Samson can be a finisher. He can hit sixes. Add Chahar with Thakur and we will have a decent tail.
express bowling Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Avesh Arshdeep Harshal Umran All were tried and given fair run , only umran didnt get a run and it was due to his limitations. Least of all u cant blame selectors for not giving him a fair run since u urself werent ready to back him . U wanted him to get A games now he has gotten that too. Bhuvi and deepak also had to be given their games coz u cant bring them out of cold In one year if u have to give a fair run to everyone thats the max u can cover in terms of players. They marked their players and gave them a fair run which we criticised previous mngt for not doing. Now someone like praisdh had a chance to showcase his skills in ODI , may not be a same format but still he cud have used middle overs to display his skills of bowling hard lengths but instead he started floating . He even was quite below avg in IPL in middle overs. Had he been performing he wud have been picked omce avesh failed since he as already with the setup . Will u blame selectors for his poor bowling in Wi, eng or even zimb . Siraj was responsible himself for a terrible IPL where he conceded most sixes by any bowler in IPL history and had a 14 eco at death. I want siraj now and few here but still no one is confident about him and rightly so . He isnt helping his chances even now by dropping catches whereas his competitors like chahar n thakur are not only in wkts but giving extra value with bat Mohsin , tyagi fitness is still unknown to all and everyone have their theory. Tyagi did get injured in that game where he bowled 2nd fastest ball. I think tyagi was injured even at start of this IPL seasons when he joined the camp late. He has hardly played to be even considered in last 2 yrs at any level. Selectors had their vision and every role worked just that some of the personnel didnt work and injury concerns to others. The only replacement currently we are struggling is bumrah and u cant find replacements of guys like bumrah n archer in world cricket. All good teams, except India, have chosen lots of hit the deck pacers for Australia who are preferably tall too. So, who are the prominent hit the deck pacers in India ( including skiddy quick pacers who can hit the deck hard when needed ) ? Capped before the IPL .... Bumrah Shami Siraj Prasidh .. tall Avesh .. tall Umesh Khaleel .. tall Uncapped before the IPL .... Umran Sen .. tall Tyagi .. tall Mohsin .. tall Dayal .. tall 1. Bumrah .. Was he brought back too early without his injury healing properly ? We will never know but questions will remain. 2. Shami .. The selectors have chosen Shami as a backup for the World Cup. I haven't. So, if that's the case then why did they not play him in a single T20i between the IPL and the WC ? Bumrah was having back issues for the last 3 months. So, why did they depend on only Avesh as Bumrah's backup when he is sn unknown factor in international cricket ? 3. Siraj .. He can continuously bowl accurate yorkers at 90 mph, has a nasty bumper and can bowl with the new ball. Is an all phase bowler. It's not possible to truly replace Bumrah but Siraj is the closest replacement for Bumrah, if there is any, in terms of T20 skillsets. That he did not have a good IPL 2022 is an excuse. He had a great IPL 2021 which finished a few months before the last IPL and Mhambrey should have been able to guide Siraj to what the team needs, if he was any good. 4. Prasidh .. He is the bounciest bowler in India. Could have been a good opening bowler in Australia as he bowled well with the new ball on the bouncy IPL pitches. Would not have been any worse than Avesh. Could have been tried in 5 T20Is because the WC is in Australia. 5. Avesh .. Lacks fitness and loses steam regularly. Which is the biggest reason why he should not have been the sole backup for Bumrah. ( not talking about injury here but the fitness to bowl fast with full intensity ) 6. Umesh .. Treated correctly. But why did he play 2 T20Is just before the WC ? 7. Umran .. One of the brightest future prospects for India. But not ready for the World Cup in 2022. I don't mind his exclusion from the World Cup squad but dropping after 3 games means lack of planning. 8. Sen .. High pace, tall and bouncy + swing at pace. Good yorkers too. Has it all and a great prospect for the near future. But needs to work on accuracy. I don't mind his exclusion from this WC squad. 9. Tyagi .. Tall, quick, bouncy, gets movement and has a great yorker and a nasty bumper. Has the temperament to bowl at the death. There is no clear indication that he is injured. Just speculation. He posted a recent video on Insta that he is playing a practice match for UP. Should have been tried in preparatory T20Is or ODIs. 10. Mohsin .. 6'4" tall, fast, bouncy, swings the new ball, good slower ball, all phase bowler. Is a complete package for T20s and ideal for Australia.. There is no clear proof that he is injured. Just speculation. 11. Khaleel .. Tall, bouncy and sharp. Swings the new ball. Left armer. Natural and genuine wicket taker. Had a good IPL. Why was he not tried in any T20Is if most of the above pacers are supposedly unfit ? 12. Dayal .. Tall, bouncy fast-medium left armer. Bowled well with the new ball. in this IPL and took some crucial wickets. With supposed injury concerns or other concerns regarding the first choice quicks, why was he not tried in a few T20Is ? In a nutshell could have tried in preparatory T20Is. ...... 2 among Tyagi, Mohsin, Khaleel and Dayal based on fitness ...... Siraj ...... 1 among Prasidh or Shami 9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: This post is about - if you are unhappy with the squad put ur thinking hat on and work out a solution , even if u envisoned a road map year ago u also cudnt have controlled form n fitness. If you dont have some better options in mind dont see why are u complaining Discussing the bowling only because that is what I am not happy about ..... 1. Mohsin / Khaleel for Harshal ( Khaleel only if Mohsin is unfit ) 2. Siraj for the injured Bumrah 2. Bishnoi for Chahal in the msin squad. Ashwin to bat at 8 Playing 11 bowlers ..... 6. Hardik 7. Axar 8. Ashwin 9. Mohsin / Khaleel 10. Siraj 11. Arshdeep Assuming Mohsin is unfit, tell me how do I bring in Khaleel without trying him out in preparatory T20Is. And bringing in Siraj, with little T20I match practice, is s risk too I have explained in great detail my solution to the issues I have raised, my thought process behind it and how I would have tried out the backups circumventing injuries. Edited October 7, 2022 by express bowling Number, zen, rollingstoned and 6 others 6 3
raki05 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, express bowling said: Having observed Indian selectors for years and years, they almost surely decided their first choice 11 and their backups, well in advance, probably just after the IPL ended. By looking at the T20I games played before the World Cup, especially the Asia Cup and the 2 series that followed, it was quite apparent that .... The first choice bowlers almost surely were 7. Jadeja 8. Harshal 9. Bhuvi 10. Bumrah 11. Chahal Backups 7. Axar 8. Deepak C 9. Arshdeep / Deepak C 10. Avesh 11. Bishnoi / Kuldeep And being happy that they have made a fool proof plan with backups, they tried and tested mostly these bowlers only. The fallacies of this plan are IMO .... 1. The playing conditions in Australia were largely ignored while selecting this group of pacers. 2. They did not question whether the first choice bowlers should be automatic choices, especially in Austrslia. They were chosen because they are the established bowlers for T20Is. 3. Whether like for like backups of the original choices were indeed needed or whether they could better the quality of those backups. and the bowling composition as a result. 4. With Bumrah getting injured in England, they should have created atleast 2 backups for this position as Avesh was untested and could fail. 5. Rohit said that, for Bumrah's replacement, they want someone who has experience of playing in Australia. So, why was Avesh tried for so many matches ? 6. Who is Axar's backup now ? Lol now selectors and expert here are doing lipa poti saying ..this bowler was injured that bowler is injured. We have seen even bcci gave contradictory statement many a time in past as per their whim and wishes. Now their selected one failed miserably, so they are trying to justify saying we don't have an option or so and so bowlers are injured or doesn't have match practice. I remember these trundler fans who were in hiding after Asia Cup thrashing and selectors, were hyping Bhuvi, Harshal , Avesh and Chahal are now looking for other option and now they don't even care if Siraj or d chahar or shami has match practice or not, they are ready to bring them in somehow. I remember an article where apparently selector told shami they are not looking him in t20 team any longer than how come suddenly he came in contention just one Bumrah injury and they are talking about shami, Siraj and d chahar inclusion, Who doesn't have any match practice or discarded outrightly earlier. It clearly reflect selectors and TM doesn't have confidence in their own selection. They were happy that Bumrah would over come or hide these trundlers shortcoming in t20 wc but as Bumrah gone they found totally naked and their strategy fell upside down . They should have given opportunity to ipl top performing fast bowler and Avesh was definitely not one of them top 3 would have been Umran, Mohshin and Arshdeep and then probably kuldip or khaleel(because of being lefty). This is what fans were crying and cribbing since ipl not that they are crying now when these useless mediocre trundlers failed. looks like fan were always consistent that these trundlers or mental midget not gonna work but somehow selectors and jholadharis believe otherwise and now they are still blaming fans that who else was deserving. BC pehle chance to Dena tha sabko than we would have known who deserved and who doesn't , sara chance to Hagesh ko diya and now discarded him soon before wc. Superuseless Hagesh got as many chance within an year which shami never got in his lifetime. Bam....now keep making your teams. Edited October 7, 2022 by raki05 express bowling, rollingstoned, singhvivek141 and 5 others 4 4
singhvivek141 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, express bowling said: All good teams, except India, have chosen lots of hit the deck pacers for Australia who are preferably tall too. So, who are the prominent hit the deck pacers in India ( including skiddy quick pacers who can hit the deck hard when needed ) ? Capped before the IPL .... Bumrah Shami Siraj Prasidh .. tall Avesh .. tall Umesh Khaleel .. tall Uncapped before the IPL .... Umran Sen .. tall Tyagi .. tall Mohsin .. tall Dayal .. tall 1. Bumrah .. Was he brought back too early without his injury healing properly ? We will never know but questions will remain. 2. Shami .. The selectors have chosen Shami as a backup for the World Cup. I haven't. So, if that's the case then why did they not play him in a single T20i between the IPL and the WC ? Bumrah was having back issues for the last 3 months. So, why did they depend on only Avesh as Bumrah's backup when he is sn unknown factor in international cricket ? 3. Siraj .. He can continuously bowl accurate yorkers at 90 mph, has a nasty bumper and can bowl with the new ball. Is an all phase bowler. It's not possible to truly replace Bumrah but Siraj is the closest replacement for Bumrah, if there is any, in terms of T20 skillsets. That he did not have a good IPL 2022 is an excuse. He had a great IPL 2021 which finished a few months before the last IPL and Mhambrey should have been able to guide Siraj to what the team needs, if he was any good. 4. Prasidh .. He is the bounciest bowler in India. Could have been a good opening bowler in Australia as he bowled well with the new ball on the bouncy IPL pitches. Would not have been any worse than Avesh. Could have been tried in 5 T20Is because the WC is in Australia. 5. Avesh .. Lacks fitness and loses steam regularly. Which is the biggest reason why he should not have been the sole backup for Bumrah. ( not talking about injury here but the fitness to bowl fast with full intensity ) 6. Umesh .. Treated correctly. But why did he play 2 T20Is just before the WC ? 7. Umran .. One of the brightest future prospects for India. But not ready for the World Cup in 2022. I don't mind his exclusion from the World Cup squad but dropping after 3 games means lack of planning. 8. Sen .. High pace, tall and bouncy + swing at pace. Good yorkers too. Has it all and a great prospect for the near future. But needs to work on accuracy. I don't mind his exclusion from this WC squad. 9. Tyagi .. Tall, quick, bouncy, gets movement and has a great yorker and a nasty bumper. Has the temperament to bowl at the death. There is no clear indication that he is injured. Just speculation. He posted a recent video on Insta that he is playing a practice match for UP. Should have been tried in preparatory T20Is or ODIs. 10. Mohsin .. 6'4" tall, fast, bouncy, swings the new ball, good slower ball, all phase bowler. Is a complete package for T20s and ideal for Australia.. There is no clear proof that he is injured. Just speculation. 11. Khaleel .. Tall, bouncy and sharp. Swings the new ball. Left armer. Natural and genuine wicket taker. Had a good IPL. Why was he not tried in any T20Is if most of the above pacers are supposedly unfit ? 12. Dayal .. Tall, bouncy fast-medium left armer. Bowled well with the new ball. in this IPL and took some crucial wickets. With supposed injury concerns or other concerns regarding the first choice quicks, why was he not tried in a few T20Is ? In a nutshell could have tried in preparatory T20Is. ...... 2 among Tyagi, Mohsin, Khaleel and Dayal based on fitness ...... Siraj ...... 1 among Prasidh or Shami Discussing the bowling only because that is what I am not happy about ..... 1. Mohsin / Khaleel for Harshal ( Khaleel only if Mohsin is unfit ) 2. Siraj for the injured Bumrah 2. Bishnoi for Chahar in the msin squad. Ashwin to bat at 8 Playing 11 bowlers ..... 6. Hardik 7. Axar 8. Ashwin 9. Mohsin / Khaleel 10. Siraj 11. Arshdeep Assuming Mohsin is unfit, tell me how do I bring in Khaleel without trying him out in preparatory T20Is. And bringing in Siraj, with little T20I match practice, is s risk too I have explained in great detail my solution to the issues I have raised, my thought process behind it and how I would have tried out the backups circumventing injuries. Great post, so from the list of potential hit the deck fast bowlers, they picked the one who's unfittest, has an ungainingly runup and probably the slowest of them on an average. His runup doesn't help him to gain momentum and all the pace that he generates is at the end when he loads into his action. express bowling, Mosher and raki05 3
Suhaan Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, raki05 said: Lol now selectors and expert here are doing lipa poti saying ..this bowler was injured that bowler is injured. We have seen even bcci gave contradictory statement many a time in past as per their whim and wishes. Now their selected one failed miserably, so they are trying to justify saying we don't have an option or so and so bowlers are injured or doesn't have match practice. I remember these trundler fans who were in hiding after Asia Cup thrashing and selectors, were hyping Bhuvi, Harshal , Avesh and Chahal are now looking for other option and now they don't even care if Siraj or d chahar or shami has match practice or not, they are ready to bring them in somehow. I remember an article where apparently selector told shami they are not looking him in t20 team any longer than how come suddenly he came in contention just one Bumrah injury and they are talking about shami, Siraj and d chahar inclusion, Who doesn't have any match practice or discarded outrightly earlier. It clearly reflect selectors and TM doesn't have confidence in their own selection. They were happy that Bumrah would over come or hide these trundlers shortcoming in t20 wc but as Bumrah gone they found totally naked and their strategy fell upside down . They should have given opportunity to ipl top performing fast bowler and Avesh was definitely not one of them top 3 would have been Umran, Mohshin and Arshdeep and then probably kuldip or khaleel(because of being lefty). This is what fans were crying and cribbing since ipl not that they are crying now when these useless mediocre trundlers failed. looks like fan were always consistent that these trundlers or mental midget not gonna work but somehow selectors and jholadharis believe otherwise and now they are still blaming fans that who else was deserving. BC pehle chance to Dena tha sabko than we would have known who deserved and who doesn't , sara chance to Hagesh ko diya and now discarded him soon before wc. Superuseless Hagesh got as many chance within an year which shami never got in his lifetime. Bam....now keep making your teams. Kyu pareshan hote ho ,lol worthy thread hai raki05 and express bowling 2
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Posted October 7, 2022 22 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: RGS (c) Shaw SKY Pant (wk) Hooda Pandya (vc) DK Axar Chahar Siraj Sen 12th: Bishnoi @Ankit_sharma03 Mere ko kitna number mila? kuch nahin - maine likha tha explain ur picks and also why u dropped whichever players u dropped coffee_rules 1
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, express bowling said: 1. Bumrah .. Was he brought back too early without his injury healing properly ? We will never know but questions will remain. and now u want to rush tyagi, mohsin 12 hours ago, express bowling said: 2. Shami .. The selectors have chosen Shami as a backup for the World Cup. I haven't. So, if that's the case then why did they not play him in a single T20i between the IPL and the WC ? shami is choosen now coz their are no options left 12 hours ago, express bowling said: Bumrah was having back issues for the last 3 months. So, why did they depend on only Avesh as Bumrah's backup when he is sn unknown factor in international cricket ? avesh was not bumrah backup 12 hours ago, express bowling said: 3. Siraj .. He can continuously bowl accurate yorkers at 90 mph, has a nasty bumper and can bowl with the new ball. Is an all phase bowler. It's not possible to truly replace Bumrah but Siraj is the closest replacement for Bumrah, if there is any, in terms of T20 skillsets. That he did not have a good IPL 2022 is an excuse. He had a great IPL 2021 which finished a few months before the last IPL and Mhambrey should have been able to guide Siraj to what the team needs, if he was any good. he just executed it in one IPL , struggled in every other IPL 2022 is an excuse ?? how can such a bad ipl be an excuse 2022 IPL death eco- 13.27 \IF the logic is he had a great 2021 IPL well thats way in past and then ppl cant question avesh selection coz he had came on back of 3 good IPLs sorry sir if anything consistency has been an issue 12 hours ago, express bowling said: 4. Prasidh .. He is the bounciest bowler in India. Could have been a good opening bowler in Australia as he bowled well with the new ball on the bouncy IPL pitches. Would not have been any worse than Avesh. Could have been tried in 5 T20Is because the WC is in Australia. yet he failed at his strength in recent ODI series or even in IPL when the help from wkts died down being a bouncer bowler if u get wacked by pooran-pandya-iyer-moeen ali....................ur bounce is pointless In hindsight no one wud have been worse then avesh 12 hours ago, express bowling said: 5. Avesh .. Lacks fitness and loses steam regularly. Which is the biggest reason why he should not have been the sole backup for Bumrah. ( not talking about injury here but the fitness to bowl fast with full intensity ) yet came on 3 good IPL n again no he wasnt bumrah backup 12 hours ago, express bowling said: 6. Umesh .. Treated correctly. But why did he play 2 T20Is just before the WC ? no option avl , ab lottery hai 12 hours ago, express bowling said: 9. Tyagi .. Tall, quick, bouncy, gets movement and has a great yorker and a nasty bumper. Has the temperament to bowl at the death. There is no clear indication that he is injured. Just speculation. He posted a recent video on Insta that he is playing a practice match for UP. please check IPL threads he was injured pre season and check that game where he clocked 2nd fastest ball he got injured again being fit now doesnt mean he was fit in last 6 months , saini is declared fit for SMA and he was injured India A 12 hours ago, express bowling said: Should have been tried in preparatory T20Is or ODIs. still his numbers are so bad he didnt merit a case 12 hours ago, express bowling said: 10. Mohsin .. 6'4" tall, fast, bouncy, swings the new ball, good slower ball, all phase bowler. Is a complete package for T20s and ideal for Australia.. There is no clear proof that he is injured. Just speculation. 11. Khaleel .. Tall, bouncy and sharp. Swings the new ball. Left armer. Natural and genuine wicket taker. Had a good IPL. Why was he not tried in any T20Is if most of the above pacers are supposedly unfit ? Khaleel name hasnt even come in his SMA trophy team so may be he is also injured 12 hours ago, express bowling said: Assuming Mohsin is unfit, tell me how do I bring in Khaleel without trying him out in preparatory T20Is. And bringing in Siraj, with little T20I match practice, is s risk too I have explained in great detail my solution to the issues I have raised, my thought process behind it and how I would have tried out the backups circumventing injuries. If khaleel name isnt in SMA squad , high chance he is also injured Edited October 7, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Posted October 7, 2022 13 hours ago, express bowling said: 9. Tyagi .. Tall, quick, bouncy, gets movement and has a great yorker and a nasty bumper. Has the temperament to bowl at the death. There is no clear indication that he is injured. Just speculation. He posted a recent video on Insta that he is playing a practice match for UP. Should have been tried in preparatory T20Is or ODIs. he was injured previous season too and he joined this season late . IPL begun on 26th march and their camps generally begin a month prior and if anyone can check his last IPL game he immediately rushed back after his over since he felt some discomfort the guy hasnt played much competitve cricket due to his fitness in last 2 yrs only
express bowling Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: and now u want to rush tyagi, mohsin No, I have no official information that they were seriously injured in the first place. Not talking about minor niggles. 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: shami is choosen now coz their are no options left No other option left because no other option was prepared. 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: avesh was not bumrah backup So who was Bumrah's backup after he sustained back injury agsinst England ? Amazing state of affairs !! 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: he just executed it in one IPL , struggled in every other IPL 2022 is an excuse ?? how can such a bad ipl be an excuse 2022 IPL death eco- 13.27 \IF the logic is he had a great 2021 IPL well thats way in past and then ppl cant question avesh selection coz he had came on back of 3 good IPLs sorry sir if anything consistency has been an issue His issues can easily be sorted by training with a good bowling coach. Siraj is not s rookie bowler. 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: yet he failed at his strength in recent ODI series or even in IPL when the help from wkts died down being a bouncer bowler if u get wacked by pooran-pandya-iyer-moeen ali....................ur bounce is pointless Prasidh was good with the new ball and that is the role I would have assigned to him primarily in Australia. Getting hit later on is something the bowling coach should work on but he can easily be given 3 overs upfront in Australia. I suspect he was slready nursing his back injury in WI and could not hit the deck as hard as he can with the older ball. Many of us were discussing this aspect during that series as he was bowling much slower. 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: In hindsight no one wud have been worse then avesh yet came on 3 good IPL n again no he wasnt bumrah backup I don't grudge Avesh being tried but grudge the fact that he was the only tall hit the deck new pacer who was tried in T20Is recently. 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: please check IPL threads he was injured pre season and check that game where he clocked 2nd fastest ball he got injured again I followed Tyagi's every ball. He was injured in the early part of the IPL but recovered in thd 2nd half snd played 2 games. In the 2nd game he went inside for some treatment. Happens all the time. That's no proof that he was seriously injured agsin. 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: still his numbers are so bad he didnt merit a case Numbers of 2 games mean almost nothing.regarding rookie bowlers. Do you actually see and follow the bowling ?? 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Khaleel name hasnt even come in his SMA trophy team so may be he is also injured If khaleel name isnt in SMA squad , high chance he is also injured Even if one supposes that he has a niggle now, it does not necessarily mean that he was seriously injured during all thse 4 months. Norman, Suhaan, Mosher and 1 other 3 1
express bowling Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: he was injured previous season too and he joined this season late . IPL begun on 26th march and their camps generally begin a month prior and if anyone can check his last IPL game he immediately rushed back after his over since he felt some discomfort the guy hasnt played much competitve cricket due to his fitness in last 2 yrs only I know that Tyagi was recovering from injury during the 1st half of the IPL About midway through their camp said that he was fit. Rushing back for some treatment of a minor discomfort happens all the time. Why are you so eager to prove that someone is injured without any official statement !! Mosher 1
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Posted October 7, 2022 9 hours ago, express bowling said: So who was Bumrah's backup after he sustained back injury agsinst England ? Amazing state of affairs !! bumrah cannot have a replacement like archer ull have to create his value among 2-3 bowlers , england also has no replacement for him and it cant be done also u basically have to cover overall value but since no one is bumrah or archer everyone will bring in their own problem Let me take archer example- if they play wood , his death over value is extremely inconsistent and he himself is also but archer is superconsistent . If they play jordon - new ball value is an issue which again archer offers , woakes- death issue, topley again is not archer quality Now similalry- bumrah - all phase - arshdeep but not same quality specially new ball and hit the deck is still not proven, siraj massive consistency problem, avesh - his best value was middle overs others were decent but not bumrah level u just cant have replacement of these 2. Bumrah biggest value came at death which arshdeep and harshal are their but he is such a quality bowler that his other phases are super strong too so u cnt have that in one guy . Basically u need guys a phase specialist which creates its own problem , even siraj who can create in terms of ability but justy 40% has consistency issue Not t forget Experience that cant be bought in market which bumrah had Even pakistan cant replace shaheen , the best idea is to go to next best bowler avl who atleast can cover missing area
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, express bowling said: I know that Tyagi was recovering from injury during the 1st half of the IPL About midway through their camp said that he was fit. Rushing back for some treatment of a minor discomfort happens all the time. Why are you so eager to prove that someone is injured without any official statement !! why are u so eager to play someone who has played 10 competitve games in two years which can cause an injury again ek min ke liye i take he is fit, how can a guy who has played just 10 games in last 2 yrs can be selected ??? u said i dont wanna beilve mohsin injury reports whereas 2 sports journalist have put out in open ur making out to be that selectors are not selecting becoz of some bias Edited October 7, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03 Chakdephatte 1
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Posted October 7, 2022 9 hours ago, express bowling said: Numbers of 2 games mean almost nothing.regarding rookie bowlers. Do you actually see and follow the bowling ?? im talking his whole IPL numbers..... u had problem with harshal 9.2 in international , tyagi is 9.47 u had problem with bhuvi wkt taking which is 1.05 to 1.08 per game, tyagi is not even one wkt a game 16 matches 14 wkts on these numbers he cant get selected Even i ignore numbers he isnt strong in PP-middle over phases, his best has come at death and thats the most riskest phase where lack of experience and match practice can affect ur yorkers. Margin of error with yorkers are so limited now tht u need to be at ur best. Nattu suffered coz of this in this IPL
zen Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: ek min ke liye i take he is fit, how can a guy who has played just 10 games in last 2 yrs can be selected ??? Wasn’t he played in IPL (and there was some bidding on him too at the auction) where he performed reasonably well despite playing less games? Ind played a lot of LOIs since IPL. Edited October 7, 2022 by zen express bowling 1
express bowling Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: why are u so eager to play someone who has played 10 competitve games in two years which can cause an injury again ek min ke liye i take he is fit, how can a guy who has played just 10 games in last 2 yrs can be selected ??? I am not asking for him to be selected for the World Cup. I asked for 2 among Mohsin / Tyagi / Khaleel / Dayal to be tried in some of the low key preparatory T20Is, based on their fitness. And then assess where they stand and work on their weaker areas. Mosher 1
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Posted October 7, 2022 9 hours ago, zen said: Wasn’t he played in IPL (and there was some bidding on him too at the auction) where he performed reasonably well despite playing less games? he didnt perform well, his IPL over all numbers only arent great. He played 2 games only and didnt do well in both games and bidding happens for not just for one year teams are build for next 3 yrs ,he joined in 10 days of beginning of IPL so they wud know he is about to heal . MI spend money on archer knowing he was injured KKR spend money on nagarkotti-mavi in past knowing their fitness for future
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