India-Pak pre-match discussion

[Austin 3:!6]

Lets be honest, this time and 1st time in almost two decades, Pakistan is a better team compared to India. They have all the bases covered - terrific bowling attack, in form openers and now even middle order is coming to the party. 

 

Most of the Indian players are playing on reputation rather than merit/form.

 

My playing XI:

Pant

Rohit

Kohli

KL

Surya

Pandya

Axar

Bhuvi

Chahal

Shami

Arshdeep

 

 

[AuxiliA]

1 minute ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Lets be honest, this time and 1st time in almost two decades, Pakistan is a better team compared to India. They have all the bases covered - terrific bowling attack, in form openers and now even middle order is coming to the party. 

 

Most of the Indian players are playing on reputation rather than merit/form.

 

My playing XI:

Pant

Rohit

Kohli

KL

Surya

Pandya

Axar

Bhuvi

Chahal

Shami

Arshdeep

 

 

 

Our batting(top 7) is lightyears ahead of Pak's, especially in Aus. No two ways about it. The match will be in Aus not UAE. 

 

They do have a much better bowling attack right now, but that's mostly because of our botched selections and injuries. 

 

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Lets be honest, this time and 1st time in almost two decades, Pakistan is a better team compared to India. They have all the bases covered - terrific bowling attack, in form openers and now even middle order is coming to the party. 

 

I still dont get it how is pakistan better ??

Their main fast bowler is playing after many many months. Yes bowling wise u can say they are better skilled but if all our bowler perform to their potential they all are very tight bowlers apart from harshal . Our batting is one of the best in all teams forget even comparing to pakistan. 

[coffee_rules]

25 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Lets be honest, this time and 1st time in almost two decades, Pakistan is a better team compared to India. They have all the bases covered - terrific bowling attack, in form openers and now even middle order is coming to the party. 

 

Most of the Indian players are playing on reputation rather than merit/form.

 

My playing XI:

Pant

Rohit

Kohli

KL

Surya

Pandya

Axar

Bhuvi

Chahal

Shami

Arshdeep

 

 

Collar chewer against their even inferior batsman

[Lone Wolf]

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I still dont get it how is pakistan better ??

Their main fast bowler is playing after many many months. Yes bowling wise u can say they are better skilled but if all our bowler perform to their potential they all are very tight bowlers apart from harshal . Our batting is one of the best in all teams forget even comparing to pakistan. 

Pakistan is not better..   If this was an ODI or even a Test match...  India would go as overwhelming favorite. 

Pakistan is a very efficient T20 team not a world beating one but very T20 specific side. 

Their bowling is just too much stronger than us...  Earlier it used to be pace attack only but our main concern is their accurate spinners.  Both Nawaz & Shadab are better than the ones we got. 

And India has 10 freakin right handers in the Team.  A one dimensional batting unit.  That can either attack pace but can collapse to spin easily. 

Our formula is very dodgy & defies logic. 

Enough has been written about our Telly tubby bowling but let's hope Shami catches the rhythm & form before Warm Ups. 

We do need to get Babar & Rizwan early.  Especially Rizwan who is mentally stronger than Babar. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Pakistan is not better..   If this was an ODI or even a Test match...  India would go as overwhelming favorite. 

Pakistan is a very efficient T20 team not a world beating one but very T20 specific side. 

Their bowling is just too much stronger than us...  Earlier it used to be pace attack only but our main concern is their accurate spinners.  Both Nawaz & Shadab are better than the ones we got. 

And India has 10 freakin right handers in the Team.  A one dimensional batting unit.  That can either attack pace but can collapse to spin easily. 

 

But this is not asia that spin will not have that same kind of impact . As seen today with namibia , if the same game was in asia namibia wud have been struggling against hasaranga n theekshana 

 

Yes pakistan is a good team now but conditions is what will make the difference for asian sides this time. U can call pakistan better in asian conditions now specially UAE or at par in england since the bounce is less their which their batsman dont like but Aus conditions are different 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Our formula is very dodgy & defies logic. 

Enough has been written about our Telly tubby bowling but let's hope Shami catches the rhythm & form before Warm Ups. 

We do need to get Babar & Rizwan early.  Especially Rizwan who is mentally stronger than Babar. 

 

We do lack a leftie in batting but pakistan batting method is highly questionable. They do catchup in asian conditions but can they do it in Australia im very keen to see this . 

[Austin 3:!6]

34 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I still dont get it how is pakistan better ??

Their main fast bowler is playing after many many months. Yes bowling wise u can say they are better skilled but if all our bowler perform to their potential they all are very tight bowlers apart from harshal . Our batting is one of the best in all teams forget even comparing to pakistan. 

 

In this format, they have more inform players than ours. They have got better new ball attack (with or without Shaheen), better death bowlers, better openers and better spinners. They had weakness in middle order but Nawaz & Haidar Ali coming to form at right time.

 

Assuming this will be the team, man to man as follows:

 

Rizwan > KL

Babar > Rohit

Fakhar < Kohli

Haidar < Surya

Ifti < Pandya

Asif = DK

Nawaz > Axar

Shadab > Chahal

Shaheen > Bhuvi

Naseem > Arshdeep

Rauf > Harshal

 

7 : 3 in Pakistan's favour with 1 touch and go (DK-Asif Ali comparison)

[Lone Wolf]

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

But this is not asia that spin will not have that same kind of impact . As seen today with namibia , if the same game was in asia namibia wud have been struggling against hasaranga n theekshana 

 

Yes pakistan is a good team now but conditions is what will make the difference for asian sides this time. U can call pakistan better in asian conditions now specially UAE or at par in england since the bounce is less their which their batsman dont like but Aus conditions are different 

 

 

 

We do lack a leftie in batting but pakistan batting method is highly questionable. They do catchup in asian conditions but can they do it in Australia im very keen to see this . 

That's why there is no outright favorite in the game.  Indian batting holds the key for us as our batters do play bounce really well among Asian sides. 

But our bowling is a huge unknown... 

Regarding spin does plays a role in big huuge MCG.  However our bozos can milk them easily too with gaps...  But that gung ho approach won't work vs spinners coz we don't have those reverse sweeps or switch hits to play with the field.  I would rather like us to see play them rather cautiously.  In Asia cup on a relatively flat wicket they exploited that..  

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

In this format, they have more inform players than ours. They have got better new ball attack (with or without Shaheen), better death bowlers, better openers and better spinners. They had weakness in middle order but Nawaz & Haidar Ali coming to form at right time.

 

Assuming this will be the team, man to man as follows:

 

Rizwan > KL

 

If they bat to their potential rizwan is no match to KL and KL intent has improved in last 2 series

Even at his best Rizwan strike rate is 128, we abuse when KL s/r even goes at 132 types . 

 

9 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Babar > Rohit

 

Rohit 2.0 is giving his team a flying start

babar actually is messing up the balance by opening and making runs for himself 

 

On aussie grounds Rohit is miles ahead then babar 

 

9 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Fakhar < Kohli

Haidar < Surya

Ifti < Pandya

Asif = DK

Nawaz > Axar

Shadab > Chahal

Shaheen > Bhuvi

 

Actually on number bhuvi beats shaheen and shaheen is coming after a long layoff 

 

9 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Naseem > Arshdeep

 

In t20 on current ability ill say equal 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

But our bowling is a huge unknown... 

if we bowl to our potential our most bowlers dont give runs , at the end for everyone it will come down to execution. Their batting plays slow and if we dont give runs their wud be panic at some stage which can get worse on bigger grounds 

Shaheen is coming after long so a massive question comes over his execution 

[Prabhdeep Singh]

Rohit

KL (WK)

Kohli

SKY

D Hooda

H Pandya

Axar

Ashwin

B Kumar

M Shami

Arshdeep

 

[Norman]

If we go in with a paceless pace attack of Bubi, Harshal and Arshdeep, we will lose. No two ways about it. 

 

And if we play collar chewer, it's a double bonus and it will be an outright humiliation. 

[Lone Wolf]

34 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

if we bowl to our potential our most bowlers dont give runs , at the end for everyone it will come down to execution. Their batting plays slow and if we dont give runs their wud be panic at some stage which can get worse on bigger grounds 

Shaheen is coming after long so a massive question comes over his execution 

Bowling potential is quite low tbh...  The best they can do is stop runs which isn't gonna be that easy of they don't pick early wickets. 

Runs are gonaa be hard to stop in MCG as there are gaps always present.  You have to take wickets at the G. 

Restrictive bowling mostly doesn't works in Australia.  

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Bowling potential is quite low tbh...  The best they can do is stop runs which isn't gonna be that easy of they don't pick early wickets. 

Runs are gonaa be hard to stop in MCG as there are gaps always present.  You have to take wickets at the G. 

Restrictive bowling mostly doesn't works in Australia.  

 

if 4 out of our 5 bowlers are stopping runs where are runs coming from ?? How much can u score in 4 overs??

 

Its not easy clearing these grounds specially for babar and rizwan who lacks power . There are gaps but runs come from rotating which again they aint that good 

Restrictive bowling dont work when totals are low but when totals are high defensive bowling is as good as its gets 

 

IF Axar-Ashwin-Bhuvi-Arsh bowls at their best all are restrictive bowlers but then its literally 12-16 overs of tight overs, somwhere runs have to come specially when Aussie grounds are about 180 total grounds . One bowler (bumrah this yr in IPL) being tight is different then 4 being tight

 

Ill give u another example when chuckig narine was doing well for KKR he made it 16 over game for them but had others leaked runs it wud have gotten tough. On those pitches balaji, chawala were very hard to score . 2 yr back when they went in final it was lockie-narine-varun who were very tight

Compare to others years only narine was holding runs but others like cummins, mavi, prasidh,umesh all leaked runs 

Take SRH xample it wasnt only rashid who was tight but a bhuvi too and one one season kaul, khaleel, nattu came to party and then a tight nabi too 

 

Where we have gone wrong in last 2 series is all of em leaked runs , thats why im saying if they all bowl at their potential best and tight it becomes tough . 

 

 

[jf1gp_1]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Arrey thoda positive ho jao bhai. Why be so gloomy? At least we can fix the team and play better against SA and SL if we lose the first match 

I wrote we will win. I have no doubt on our win. We will win toss pak will bat they will score around 130 we will make it in 15 overs.

[the don]

My pakistan 11

 

Rizwan

Babar

Fakhar

Shadab

Haider

Nawaz

Iftikhar

Asif

Naseem

Rauf

Shaheen

 

Pakistan must use matchups. Haider and Shadab/Nawaz must attack the spinner in the middle and should come in when axar and chahal bowl. Iftikhar and asif is a good matchup for  pacers at the death  Pak should avoid hooking slower bouncers in the air on those long square boundaries.

 

I want pakistan to use their resources fully especially shadab vs spin and make sure his batting is not wasted.

 

Shaheen and Naseem with the new ball can open up the game if they hit the right areas, both extremely skillful newball bowlers.

 

[the don]

9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

if 4 out of our 5 bowlers are stopping runs where are runs coming from ?? How much can u score in 4 overs??

 

Its not easy clearing these grounds specially for babar and rizwan who lacks power . There are gaps but runs come from rotating which again they aint that good 

Restrictive bowling dont work when totals are low but when totals are high defensive bowling is as good as its gets 

 

IF Axar-Ashwin-Bhuvi-Arsh bowls at their best all are restrictive bowlers but then its literally 12-16 overs of tight overs, somwhere runs have to come specially when Aussie grounds are about 180 total grounds . One bowler (bumrah this yr in IPL) being tight is different then 4 being tight

 

Ill give u another example when chuckig narine was doing well for KKR he made it 16 over game for them but had others leaked runs it wud have gotten tough. On those pitches balaji, chawala were very hard to score . 2 yr back when they went in final it was lockie-narine-varun who were very tight

Compare to others years only narine was holding runs but others like cummins, mavi, prasidh,umesh all leaked runs 

Take SRH xample it wasnt only rashid who was tight but a bhuvi too and one one season kaul, khaleel, nattu came to party and then a tight nabi too 

 

Where we have gone wrong in last 2 series is all of em leaked runs , thats why im saying if they all bowl at their potential best and tight it becomes tough . 

 

 

Can axar keep it tight vs Fakhar and Nawaz in the middle?

[the don]

Conditions make india favs for me. Anywhere other than Australia  i rate the Pakistani side better as a t20 outfit.

[AuxiliA]

1 hour ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

Babar > Rohit

 

No way that's the case in T20s. Rohit is in a different league compared to Babar when it comes to hitting ability. He performs better in Internationals than he does in IPL.

 

If anything Babar's below par SR can cost Pak badly. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, the don said:

Can axar keep it tight vs Fakhar and Nawaz in the middle?

Axar is our 6th bowler so dont u think a captain wud be smart where to use him where not too. 

Wudnt a captain use him against ur two right handed openers ? 

6th bowler , u dnt need to even bowl him full quota unless other bowls bad but then the game wud already be lost. 

Dont forget its a bigger ground and its often seen going against favourable matchups have ended up in wkts. This isnt indore or chinnaswamy 

 

Fakhar anyways have struggled in t20 

Neither babar-rizwan is leaving enough time for others. We have ashwin one the best against left handers

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03