Waqar Younis blames the mindset of India when it comes to pace

[express bowling]

Atleast 2 deck hitting bowlers, who can generate bounce at good enough pace, when the ball is not moving, is very very important.

 

England had Wood / Jordan and Stokes performing this role. 

 

 

[Majestic]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Atleast 2 deck hitting bowlers, who can generate bounce at good enough pace, when the ball is not moving, is very very important.

 

England had Wood / Jordan and Stokes performing this role. 

 

 

Can Prasidh be that guy but he needs to learn to bowl yorkers in death overs?

 

He definitely should be able to learn it. It is not some natural ability but just practice and expertise that skill.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Majestic said:

Can Prasidh be that guy but he needs to learn to bowl yorkers in death overs?

 

He definitely should be able to learn it. It is not some natural ability but just practice and expertise that skill.

 

Tyagi, Sen, Mohsin, Prasidh and Khaleel.are all good candidates.

 

We need to try out all of them and see who has the hunger and the temperament for international cricket. 

 

Plus Bumrah is there. 

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Tyagi, Sen, Mohsin, Prasidh and Khaleel.are all good candidates.

 

We need to try out all of them and see who has the hunger and the temperament for international cricket. 

 

Plus Bumrah is there. 

We always knew Rohit,Kohli and disgusting Kela will feature the wc squad even if they had not played for 10-12 mnths

But Boobie?does he enjoy that amount of leverage on selectors like the above names do?Shami directly played on 23rd Oct while being nowhere in the picture for last year

Howcome it was so difficult to imagine a pace attack without these two?

Siraj was backing up Shami,why not in main XI?and the names which you suggested should have been in the reckoning not these Boobies,Harshals etc

[Chaos]

I wouldnt blame the W’s. It aweful to watch our bowling at 120s while other team bowling in 150s. Bhuvi only bowls knuckle balls and mr.singh is shitting in his if he sees anyone attacking in bowling. Less said the better about our spin bowlers.

[Chaos]

51 minutes ago, 83-07-11 said:

Should Waqar Younis be allowed in India after his nasty religious remark last year. Do you have contacts in BCCI to raise his matter. He and that Sohail Tancheer should not be allowed to enter India . Please raise with BCCI and home ministry. Start a social media effort to ban entry of these guys in India 

ok ill call uncle Modi to relay ur wish. :)

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, countryside said:

Rana Naveed could bowl faster than him. Srinath was you pastest bowler till date

begone troll. srinath's fastest documented ball is 156 kph.

 

In the final, it was hilarious to see the "fast" shaheen struggling to bowl <140 kph. this guy is going to be finished soon and will become a LOI specialist with all his injuries

Edited November 13, 2022 by Vijy

[Suhaan]

4 hours ago, countryside said:

Rana Naveed could bowl faster than him. Srinath was you pastest bowler till date

Before arrival of Akhter,Srinath was the fastest from Asia

Two Ws were slower than Agarkar

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, countryside said:

Rana Naveed could bowl faster than him. Srinath was you pastest bowler till date

Maybe on Chinese speed guns, which has a habit of malfunctioning as soon as the package is opened.
Srinath beat Waqar and Wasim in 2003 WC with pace (which he played after coming back from retirement). 
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/akhtar-and-lee-head-pace-race-at-cwc2003-130372




 

[Vijy]

13 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Maybe on Chinese speed guns, which has a habit of malfunctioning as soon as the package is opened.
Srinath beat Waqar and Wasim in 2003 WC with pace (which he played after coming back from retirement). 
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/akhtar-and-lee-head-pace-race-at-cwc2003-130372




 

not much point feeding facts to them. they have alternative "facts" to back up their whimsies and their delusions

[express bowling]

51 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Maybe on Chinese speed guns, which has a habit of malfunctioning as soon as the package is opened.
Srinath beat Waqar and Wasim in 2003 WC with pace (which he played after coming back from retirement). 
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/akhtar-and-lee-head-pace-race-at-cwc2003-130372




 

 

 

Captain Ganguly really wanted quick pacers and encouraged his pacers to bowl flat out.

 

Same with Captain Kohli, but primarily in tests.

 

Even trundler lover Captain Dhoni played Umesh and Shami in tandem in WC 2015 in Australia and they were the 3rd and 4th fastest or something like that 

 

Never in 30 years was our pace attack as slow as T20s in 2022.

Edited November 14, 2022 by express bowling

[Vijy]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

 

Captain Ganguly really wanted quick pacers and encouraged his pacers to bowl flat out.

 

Same with Captain Kohli, but primarily in tests.

 

Even trundler lover Captain Dhoni played Umesh and Shsmi in tandem in WC 2015 in Australia anx they were the 3rd and 4th fastest or something like that 

 

Never in 30 years was our pace attack as slow as T20s in 2022.

when hardik is the fastest bowler in the team, that says a lot about the makeup (and nothing against hardik - he did very well overall)

[singhvivek141]

36 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Captain Ganguly really wanted quick pacers and encouraged his pacers to bowl flat out.

 

Same with Captain Kohli, but primarily in tests.

 

Even trundler lover Captain Dhoni played Umesh and Shami in tandem in WC 2015 in Australia and they were the 3rd and 4th fastest or something like that 

 

Never in 30 years was our pace attack as slow as T20s in 2022.

Problem is with variations, everyone in our T20 setup thinks that gimmicks like slow ball, knuch ball, leg cutter, off cutter is the way to go in T20's. When a bowler talks about bowling "24 slow balls" in a T20 tells you a lot about his and the TM's mindset which backs him. 
While those gimmicks can be useful as a surprise element, but they're not a replacement for traditional quick yorkers, bouncers, movement of the pitch and hard lengths at any cost.
Similarly Doosra/Carrom Ball is an exceptional weapon if spinner knows how to use it as a weapon of surprise, but not when every 2nd or 3rd delivery is that.

Unfortunately, most of our Indian pitches are slow and help these gimmicky bowlers to do well in IPL, which lead a false proposition in mind of TM that we've cracked the code....and then we carry that proposition everywhere irrespective of the pitch, conditions, opponent etc.

[FischerTal]

Umran gives me hope but I hope he doesn’t go the Varun Aaron way. He’s still slightly wayward but I’ll pick him anyday over trundlers like Bhuvi or Arshdeep 

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, countryside said:

India would have rioted if agarkar had bowler 146 147K

He did. Without tampering the ball.

If you have to, then talk about stats which are genuine, not a result of ball tampering. If your bowlers were so great, they wouldnt need ball tampering, would they? Show me one Pakistani bowler who wasnt tampering with the ball to get wickets.

[Vilander]

23 hours ago, putrevus said:

I disagree,that was not the reason why India exited.What 150 k bowler played for England today.

 

Would India have benefitted from 150k bowler , every team would benefit from great fast bowler.But an isolated 150k bowler will not change India's fortunes.Those bowlers don't grow on trees

bumrah injured India did not develop any of the recent 145+ bowlers from ipl in the season leading up to t20 wc. They might have done well if they were given chances in the lead up and selected for the wc.That’s the point. Trundles were being hit out in death overs even by tail Enders. 

[putrevus]

8 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Maybe on Chinese speed guns, which has a habit of malfunctioning as soon as the package is opened.
Srinath beat Waqar and Wasim in 2003 WC with pace (which he played after coming back from retirement). 
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/akhtar-and-lee-head-pace-race-at-cwc2003-130372




 

In 2003 Akram and Younis were on last legs. So bowling faster than them then is no great achievement.

 

Akram and Younis at their peak were better faster and more scarier than Srinath ever was at any point in his career .They both are ATG fast bowlers unlike Srinath.

[putrevus]

46 minutes ago, Vilander said:

bumrah injured India did not develop any of the recent 145+ bowlers from ipl in the season leading up to t20 wc. They might have done well if they were given chances in the lead up and selected for the wc.That’s the point. Trundles were being hit out in death overs even by tail Enders. 

I did not see anyone other than Umran who is clearly not ready. Who are those 145 plus bowlers you are talking about. Please don't say Praisdh Krishna. Personally I would have kicked out Bhuvi from Indian team in 2019. I doubt they would they have done better job defending 170 aganst England on that pitch. 

[Suhaan]

12 minutes ago, putrevus said:

In 2003 Akram and Younis were on last legs. So bowling faster than them then is no great achievement.

 

Akram and Younis at their peak were better faster and more scarier than Srinath ever was at any point in his career .They both are ATG fast bowlers unlike Srinath.

Srinath too was on his last legs,

Akram fastest was 145kph and Srinath dleivered fastest of his at 156kph

A wc before he clocked the second fastest delivery only behind Akhtar

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Suhaan

[ind_hyd1]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Captain Ganguly really wanted quick pacers and encouraged his pacers to bowl flat out.

 

Same with Captain Kohli, but primarily in tests.

 

Even trundler lover Captain Dhoni played Umesh and Shami in tandem in WC 2015 in Australia and they were the 3rd and 4th fastest or something like that 

 

Never in 30 years was our pace attack as slow as T20s in 2022.

 

Problem is with the selectors and Rohit sharma. He needs to deliver in all aspects , IPL is not a Yardstick.

 

Also if Bhuvi and Chahar who are said to be skillfull bowlers and would continue to bowl at 125 KMPH the selectors need to check why these guys get injured so often.

 

Both stopped playing domestic cricket all together.