Waqar Younis blames the mindset of India when it comes to pace

[badmash]

“Wasim bhai, I don't know if you remember. Recently Asia Cup me jab ham log the, unke commentators bhi the. They had long shows, were talking about team combinations and all. Uss discussions me ham log bhi the, we were talking about our side. And they were just more keen on bowlers who control the game. Just bowl good seam, which is good, you need 1-2 bowlers like that. But we were insisting that you need to look into pace,” Waqar said on A Sports.

 

Pace does wonders on Australian grounds and in general when you can’t rely on swing/seam only 

 

the pace sensations that you did have, you didn’t give them enough chances to settle in:

 

Umesh Yadav debuted in 2010 and only payed 75 Odis so far

Varun Aaron debuted in 2011 and only played 9 Odis

 

Umran Malik … who knows when he will get a chance 

 

the culture has always been to promote line and length trundlers who only work under swinging conditions where you can swing or seam the ball from good length 

 

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by badmash

[express bowling]

This is exactly what was happening during the Asia Cup. 

 

Both Wasim and Waqar were trying to discuss the quick bowlers available in India. They said that they saw lots of Indians bowling quick in the IPL. Where are they now and why are they not playing for India ?

 

They tried to point out that Hardik is consistently bowling 140 to 145 k with bounce.

 

None of the Indian commentators, barring Gambhir, showed any interest in the assessment of the two Ws on Indian quicks and Shastri kept changing the subject.

 

It was appalling and sad to see the reactions of Indian commentators when pace was being discussed.

[Suhaan]

Only thing i love about Pakistan is their love for pure pace

Pace bina jeevan soon,maza kidhar hai

Bina pace success nahi, excitement nahi aur WC nahi

[express bowling]

During the Asia Cup and even now, both Wasim and Waqar were really passionate and interested about the Indian pace prospects. It's like they really really wanted some good quslity quicks to play for India, despite being arch rivsls.

 

Thing is .... these 2 just love high quality quick bowling and can't stand it that so much pace talent is being wasted in India with the likes of Bhuvi and Harshal hogging spots.

 

if you really love something (  quick bowling in this case ) then you forget everything else like Country of origin of a bowler and want the best display of fast boeling possible.

 

One can see why they became greats .... it's not just the talent but the humongous passion for Fast bowling. Respect for this !  One can see a very similar thing when Tendulkar discusses batting prospects of any country. Again that fierce passion comes out.

 

Even Brett Lee can't stand it that wd are wasting our quick bowling talents. He has similar passion about quick bowling.

 

 

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Only thing i love about Pakistan is their love for pure pace

Pace bina jeevan soon,maza kidhar hai

Bina pace success nahi, excitement nahi aur WC nahi

 

 

Got to admire this aspect about them. Especially the 2 Ws.

[Hell Raiser]

As far as fast bowling is concerned we just don't have the system that promotes fast bowling be it at any level. Our system is hell bent on proving to the world that 5'8- 5'9 medium pace bowlers can also succeed international level. We are doing this for last 75 years without any results to show for.

 

Despite Bumrah and Shami showing the way and leading the way still those people consider that these two are just an aberration. They go gaga over praising foreign fast bowlers but just don't want to produce and promote the same in India. Their thinking is rotten to the core. They just want to keep adoring the likes of Bhuvi and alikes wherever these bowlers wouldn't even be in contention unless they are also good with bat. But here in india they become spear head of our bowling and lead our attack. 

 

In other countries people involved in cricket knows one basic thing. If a bowler have pace you can work upon his skill set and improve them. Thats why other countries have produced so many great fast  bowlers and will continue to do so. But Indians just can't decipher this basic thing. 

 

 

[express bowling]

32 minutes ago, Hell Raiser said:

As far as fast bowling is concerned we just don't have the system that promotes fast bowling be it at any level. Our system is hell bent on proving to the world that 5'8- 5'9 medium pace bowlers can also succeed international level. We are doing this for last 75 years without any results to show for.

 

Despite Bumrah and Shami showing the way and leading the way still those people consider that these two are just an aberration. They go gaga over praising foreign fast bowlers but just don't want to produce and promote the same in India. Their thinking is rotten to the core. They just want to keep adoring the likes of Bhuvi and alikes wherever these bowlers wouldn't even be in contention unless they are also good with bat. But here in india they become spear head of our bowling and lead our attack. 

 

In other countries people involved in cricket knows one basic thing. If a bowler have pace you can work upon his skill set and improve them. Thats why other countries have produced so many great fast  bowlers and will continue to do so. But Indians just can't decipher this basic thing. 

 

 

 

 

Very well written !!

[badmash]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

During the Asia Cup and even now, both Wasim and Waqar were really passionate and interested about the Indian pace prospects. It's like they really really wanted some good quslity quicks to play for India, despite being arch rivsls.

 

Thing is .... these 2 just love high quality quick bowling and can't stand it that so much pace talent is being wasted in India with the likes of Bhuvi and Harshal hogging spots.

 

if you really love something (  quick bowling in this case ) then you forget everything else like Country of origin of a bowler and want the best display of fast boeling possible.

 

One can see why they became greats .... it's not just the talent but the humongous passion for Fast bowling. Respect for this !  One can see a very similar thing when Tendulkar discusses batting prospects of any country. Again that fierce passion comes out.

 

Even Brett Lee can't stand it that wd are wasting our quick bowling talents. He has similar passion about quick bowling.

 

 

You also have chetan sharma as selector who himself was a 5ft-3 trundler. What do you think he will look for in a bowler? Srinath or Zaheer khan should be given the responsibility of nurturing pace bowlers. 

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, badmash said:

You also have chetan sharma as selector who himself was a 5ft-3 trundler. What do you think he will look for in a bowler? Srinath or Zaheer khan should be given the responsibility of nurturing pace bowlers. 

 

One would like to think that Dravid and Rohit have faced enough bowling in their lives to know what kinds of pacers trouble batters.  And it can't be 5'9" floaty pacers bowling 130 k.

[Suhaan]

16 minutes ago, badmash said:

You also have chetan sharma as selector who himself was a 5ft-3 trundler. What do you think he will look for in a bowler? Srinath or Zaheer khan should be given the responsibility of nurturing pace bowlers. 

After Srikant , Amarnath ,More most of them have been yes man

Edited November 12, 2022 by Suhaan

[Mosher]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

During the Asia Cup and even now, both Wasim and Waqar were really passionate and interested about the Indian pace prospects. It's like they really really wanted some good quslity quicks to play for India, despite being arch rivsls.

 

Thing is .... these 2 just love high quality quick bowling and can't stand it that so much pace talent is being wasted in India with the likes of Bhuvi and Harshal hogging spots.

 

if you really love something (  quick bowling in this case ) then you forget everything else like Country of origin of a bowler and want the best display of fast boeling possible.

 

One can see why they became greats .... it's not just the talent but the humongous passion for Fast bowling. Respect for this !  One can see a very similar thing when Tendulkar discusses batting prospects of any country. Again that fierce passion comes out.

 

Even Brett Lee can't stand it that wd are wasting our quick bowling talents. He has similar passion about quick bowling.

 

 

Bishop, Steyn these guys too love fast bowling. You can see when they talk about any young quicks.

[badmash]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

One would like to think that Dravid and Rohit have faced enough bowling in their lives to know what kinds of pacers trouble batters.  And it can't be 5'9" floaty pacers bowling 130 k.

Dravid can only choose from players provided by the selector. Selection is not correct. 

[Suhaan]

5 minutes ago, badmash said:

Dravid can only choose from players provided by the selector. Selection is not correct. 

Did you ever wonder why so many unknown, irrelevant names are getting straight into as selectors?

They won't pose tough questions to shuperstars in the national side

[express bowling]

22 minutes ago, badmash said:

Dravid can only choose from players provided by the selector. Selection is not correct. 

 

 

Not really.  The Captain and Coach provide a strong preference list to the selectors.

 

Only a couple of fringe players are probably decided by the sectors alone. Or maybe an odd main player here and there.

 

If Dravid and Rohit had asked for a couple of tall hit the deck pacers for Australia, I am sure they would have got it. And they had 7 such pacers to choose from. 

Edited November 12, 2022 by express bowling

[First class]

India does produce quality pace bowler, Indian public admire sheer pace, its just the people in power don;t get it. There was a brief period in recent past when Indian pacers  had more pace than Pakistani pacers at that time  with Bhumra, Shami, Yadec and Siani in the team and team had some success, but now back to the old ways , that too in Australia , unbelievable . 

Edited November 12, 2022 by First class

[rkt.india]

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If Kartik was in SA, he would have been playing for SA by now. 

 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, First class said:

India does produce quality pace bowler, Indian public admire sheer pace, its just the people in power don;t get it. There was a brief period in recent past when Indian pacers  had more pace than Pakistani pacers at that time  with Bhumra, Shami, Yadec and Siani in the team and team had some success, but now back to the old ways , that too in Australia , unbelievable . 

Average people make everything around them below average.   Appointments made by Ganguly & Jay Shah have set Indian cricket back to at least pre 2016.

At least Kohli & Shastri had the vision to have a pace attack..  A lot of progress could have been achieved but the amount of sheer incompetence in BCCI would make any organization go nuts. 

I can only imagine how things must be at grassroot level. 

[Lone Wolf]

11 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

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If Kartik was in SA, he would have been playing for SA by now. 

 

He should migrate would easily make it by 25 years thanks to quota policies lol

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by Lone Wolf

[ind_hyd1]

2 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Average people make everything around them below average.   Appointments made by Ganguly & Jay Shah have set Indian cricket back to at least pre 2016.

At least Kohli & Shastri had the vision to have a pace attack..  A lot of progress could have been achieved but the amount of sheer incompetence in BCCI would make any organization go nuts. 

I can only imagine how things must be at grassroot level. 

 

Absolutely correct, everyone was in a hurry to remove Kohli and Shastri.  Rohit sharma had never even captained in Ranji trophy based on IPL they made himTest match captain

[ind_hyd1]

A lot depends upon Dravid, he should be as aggressive . When he was captain he pushed for inclusion of Munaf patel and Sreesanth into the squad . We won test matches in SA,WI and Eng

 

Hope he can resist the defensive thoughts and senseless captaincy of Rohit .

 

Clearly Rohit Sharma isn't upto the mark as a captain so is Rahul. Its time Dravid takes charge and tries to develop a pool of pacers.

 

He can work hard to get careers of Prasidh,Avesh , Kuldeep, Nagarkoti,Umran,Mohsin back on track.That should be his top priority