Why are Indians desperate for 'Bazball' to fail?

[putrevus]

We are underestimating some of the new talents like Harry Brook,  I don't see Harry Brook in Indian system.

 

Shami bowled one of great spells (he was very unlucky not get more wickets) I have seen in first innings by an Indian fast bowler and Johnny was able withstand that spell. You still need to be able to play out great spell in test cricket.

 

That said we need to get new guys like Jaiswal and others a go over guys like Rahul who will never be any good.Pandya should be kept away from test team. Rahane and Rahul are most useless players which India has invested lot of time. Puajara also needed to go , don't know why he is back and is VC of the team.

 

 

Why was Bharat Arun let go is still a mystery.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by putrevus

[Clarke]

Being somewhat critical of an approach isn't the same as wanting it to fail. My guess is if the opposing captain with some accurate bowling can hold fort and place fielders smartly, the English will look stupid giving catch practice. 

 

The comparison record cited is also stupid, Eng didn't start playing tests in the last 4 years and lost all tests before lord McCullum emerged as their savior. The 2010-12 squad was mighty good as well and had dogged characters like Cook & Trott besides aggressive cricketers like KP, which I feel is a more balanced approach. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

Some ways must be found to do it, be it hostile quick bowling, the square turning ball or scoring runs so quickly that the opposite team feels that the game is slipping away in a short time. Bazball is this 3rd approach.

 

 

 

 

 

Or a combination of all 3 within the same series.  And no one exhibited this better than India in Australia in 2020-21.  Some guys took body blow after body blow, frustrating, tiring, and softening up some of the best bowlers in the world, followed by an epic spanking.  Perhaps we should've given a name for this - like ShasBall or JinkBall or RishBall or WashBall or SirajBall or AshBall or HanumaBall or ShubBall or ChetBall.  In the end it was winning ball.

 

The common thread among all of these approaches really is the playing fearless, hungry, selfless cricketers, putting team goals at the forefront, and solid benevolent leadership.

 

 

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Or a combination of all 3 within the same series.  And no one exhibited this better than India in Australia in 2020-21.  Some guys took body blow after body blow, frustrating, tiring, and softening up some of the best bowlers in the world, followed by an epic spanking.  Perhaps we should've given a name for this - like ShasBall or JinkBall or RishBall or WashBall or SirajBall or AshBall or HanumaBall or ShubBall or ChetBall.  In the end it was winning ball.

 

The common thread among all of these approaches really is the playing fearless, hungry, selfless cricketers, putting team goals at the forefront, and solid benevolent leadership.

 

 

 

 

The Australian Teams of the early 2000s decade actually did all 3.

 

Their batters scored very fast and often notched 380 to 420 in a day ... Lee, McGrath and Gillespie provided a lot of hostility ... Warne turned the ball square.

 

No wonder they were so dominant. 

[vvvslaxman]

11 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Or a combination of all 3 within the same series.  And no one exhibited this better than India in Australia in 2020-21.  Some guys took body blow after body blow, frustrating, tiring, and softening up some of the best bowlers in the world, followed by an epic spanking.  Perhaps we should've given a name for this - like ShasBall or JinkBall or RishBall or WashBall or SirajBall or AshBall or HanumaBall or ShubBall or ChetBall.  In the end it was winning ball.

 

The common thread among all of these approaches really is the playing fearless, hungry, selfless cricketers, putting team goals at the forefront, and solid benevolent leadership.

 

 

 

True you cannot blindly try to ape an approach with different set of resources. They practically  use the same LOI set up for Tests except a few changes on bowling front. 

[Lord]

It's not wanting to fail, but wanting to get exposed.

 

Eng are not the first one to play this way, but first to hype it to the moon with Bazball and such tags.

 

So far they played at flatter decks, will need to see what they do in India

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

The Australian Teams of the early 2000s decade actually did all 3.

 

Their batters scored very fast and often notched 380 to 420 in a day ... Lee, McGrath and Gillespie provided a lot of hostility ... Warne turned the ball square.

 

No wonder they were so dominant. 

 

 

I think steve waugh said something along the lines during 2003/04 series that we have to wait in some situations. I remember Gilchrist declared in both innings and Mark butcher produced a classic to win the test for England. A match that Australia could have easily drawn after dominating them. They set a meagre target of 315.

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

It's not wanting to fail, but wanting to get exposed.

 

Eng are not the first one to play this way, but first to hype it to the moon with Bazball and such tags.

 

So far they played at flatter decks, will need to see what they do in India

 

England set 387 for India to chase in 4 sessions at Chepauk.  Sehwag reached 83 in 20 overs or so.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

England set 387 for India to chase in 4 sessions at Chepauk.  Sehwag reached 83 in 20 overs or so.

83 off his own bat lol. Team score was  around 120

 

That on 4th day Indian pitch

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

83 off his own bat lol. Team score was  around 120

 

That on 4th day Indian pitch

 

He was doing well on an even more treacherous fifth day track at Bangalore against pakistan until gambhir ran him out. After that everyone was playing on a different pitch. It became a minefield for  Dravid, Sachin, ganguly

[vvvslaxman]

Mayank is a decent a batsman on treacherous spin track. Not sure about his current form though.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Mayank is a decent a batsman on treacherous spin track. Not sure about his current form though.

Pant is our best currently on turners. 

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

Pant is our best currently on turners. 

 

Batsmen with uncluttered mind are likely to do better.  

[singhvivek141]

Because, no matter how much we try. Our batters (established) ones don't have 10% ability to do Bazball.
For our seniors, Bazball means swinging blindly without connection between bat and ball....while in England, their batters have an amazing bat speed which provides them maximum impact everytime they try to strike.

 

When we were told that our batters will show "intent"...what we got was Mr. KLR turning a 20 over match into a 19 one, and Mr. Rohit Sharma who always take his sweet time is now going bonkers from first ball without any performance to show for.

In order to play Bazball, you need players who have those skillset. You can't just turn the established players into one magically overnight. We don't have that capability and England is making us look like a team who's stuck in 1990's.
 

[vvvslaxman]

England's bazball is not the test cricket i am after. Test cricket that i am after is this

 

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by vvvslaxman

[Lord]

 

 

Its the hype that's annoying.

 

They are still a mid-tier team who won't play WTC finals

[zen]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

We don't have that capability and England is making us look like a team who's stuck in 1990's.

 

Probably, a problem of "jealousy" that extends in many fields: 

 

• jealous of developed world because they are developed
• jealous of China because it became what India hoped to be 
• jealous of England because it can play Bazball 
• ... 
• ...

 

 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

England's bazball is not the test cricket i am after. Test cricket that i am after is this

 

 

 

 

The Australians combined this awesome hostile fast bowling + fast batting + big spin from Warne and McGill. 

 

What an amazing brand of cricket !!

[Need4Speed]

its working because England is able to do it for now whne the intrenational quality of bowling and wkts are of poorer levels as compared to the past.

Against Pak..English bowlers should deserve lot of praise..getting 20 wkts on these tracks deserves applause..

though we already had the likes of Sehwag ding it..now Pant does for us..may be Prithvi Shaw too..when he played against WI..but it was by nature of these players..

I dont like it as for me as if you are forcing even Ollie Popes to do it..its like diluting purety of Test Cricket and will start producing more hacks..

Let the hacks be limited to LOIs only..

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

The Australians combined this awesome hostile fast bowling + fast batting + big spin from Warne and McGill. 

 

What an amazing brand of cricket !!

 

120 k pies from 40 year older Andu and 125 k pies from Robinson what an eyesore not to mention Tukloo's slow left arm crap.  Wood was good. Not as good as MJ