express bowling Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 On 1/24/2023 at 11:51 PM, sandeep said: With all due respect, that is your personal opinion, a subjective one, and one you are entitled to. Others can agree or disagree. Similarly, the team management is also allowed to have a perspective and make their choices based on what they believe is best. And they are hired to do that job. So one should be gracious and mature enough when discussing such subjective judgement calls, that there can be more than one "right" answer, instead of hurling random insults and bad language at legends like Dravid. I'm not saying you did that - but plenty on this forum did. And I'm not saying that just because Dravid is who he is, he should be above criticism or disagreement. By all means, go for it and express your opinions and criticisms, rant away - but there should be some sort of red lines that are self-imposed when it comes to that. In the name of "freedom of expression" there are plenty of posters who really vent toxic garbage. I neither have the desire nor the time to police such crap. I wish more folks followed your lead in posting criticism instead of the silly nonsense that litters the forum - a little too frequently for me. We were discussing the validity of personal opinions only. If a person thinks that Kishan should have played after his 200+ but Gill is a better choice now because he has played multiple top knocks, I don't see any logical weakness there. They are relative newbies with small bodies of work, and no one can say that X should be preferred over Y with certainty. But dropping a double centurion in the next match is something different and does not go down well with most people. And if it happens, strong criticism will come. Suhaan, Mosher and tweaker 2 1 Link to comment
tweaker Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 13 hours ago, express bowling said: We were discussing the validity of personal opinions only. If a person thinks that Kishan should have played after his 200+ but Gill is a better choice now because he has played multiple top knocks, I don't see any logical weakness there. They are relative newbies with small bodies of work, and no one can say that X should be preferred over Y with certainty. But dropping a double centurion in the next match is something different and does not go down well with most people. And if it happens, strong criticism will come. A youngster is nurtured even after repeated failures but in our system a younster is dropped after a double century ,even though he is wicket keeper,a left handed batsman. Now we can see Kishan has lost the confidence as he knows he can dropped once Rahul is back Mosher, AuxiliA, Suhaan and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
Chakdephatte Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) For 360 days in year, personal milestones don't matter for ICFers. Now that Dravid has choose a player based on observation over someone who scored irrelevant 200 at an easy surface, it has become the point of discussion Edited January 29, 2023 by Chakdephatte kohli and Lord 2 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 For Kishen to be dropped after scoring 200 where he reached 200 in 31st over is unforgivable.Gill can score 50 100s in a row it would still be a crime. Gill in contrast reached 200 in last overs. It is not even contest Kishen's knock is the template we want moving forward. tweaker 1 Link to comment
wanted_desi Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 32 minutes ago, putrevus said: For Kishen to be dropped after scoring 200 where he reached 200 in 31st over is unforgivable.Gill can score 50 100s in a row it would still be a crime. Gill in contrast reached 200 in last overs. It is not even contest Kishen's knock is the template we want moving forward. Never should one Inning define your strategy. Gill was scoring at 70 average and SR>100 for a year. One inning by hack shouldn't question Gill's place. Sandz 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) On 1/29/2023 at 8:49 AM, wanted_desi said: Never should one Inning define your strategy. Gill was scoring at 70 average and SR>100 for a year. One inning by hack shouldn't question Gill's place. Coaching and captaincy is all about giving confidence to players. I have seen both innings I will pick Kishan’s 200 over Gill’s. If they wanted Gill to be an opener then Rohit should have played in the middle order. It is utter nonsense that you drop a player after he scores fastest 200. Edited February 2, 2023 by putrevus Link to comment
sandeep Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 20 hours ago, express bowling said: We were discussing the validity of personal opinions only. If a person thinks that Kishan should have played after his 200+ but Gill is a better choice now because he has played multiple top knocks, I don't see any logical weakness there. They are relative newbies with small bodies of work, and no one can say that X should be preferred over Y with certainty. But dropping a double centurion in the next match is something different and does not go down well with most people. And if it happens, strong criticism will come. yep all of that is fine - I only take issue with curse words being flung at Dravid etc -criticize the decision not the man, that was my point. And I think we are on the same page mostly - I was referring to a vomiting minority... Lord 1 Link to comment
tweaker Posted February 2, 2023 Author Share Posted February 2, 2023 Tripathi should be tried in odi team Link to comment
Chakdephatte Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, tweaker said: Tripathi should be tried in odi team Better try Shaw and Samson. His list A record is not impressive. Neither this age is on right side. Intent can only get you so far. sandeep 1 Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 4 hours ago, tweaker said: Tripathi should be tried in odi team Well a T20 #1 guy is finding it tough to adapt to ODI , we cannot have one more batter - capable of few sixes or bust .At best you can have 1 such bat. We need one more Gill like bat if available -who has good defence , can change gear when needed and equally good vs pace & spin.. Number, express bowling and tweaker 3 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 13 hours ago, Chakdephatte said: Better try Shaw and Samson. His list A record is not impressive. Neither this age is on right side. Intent can only get you so far. One dayers needs players who can build and finish. That is where we suck balls in every ICC tournament. Link to comment
Chakdephatte Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 6 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: One dayers needs players who can build and finish. Hardly. We need 5 batsman just doing their job and nothing else. We are not good particularly at finishing. I can't name many who can do both jobs. Kohli, Rohit, Warner, Butler among this present day batsmen. Link to comment
Strangering Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 In the end they'll lose to Sri Lanka and Pakistan at multi team tournaments. At least we will get a spectacle of a close match against Bangladesh at the next Asia cup... Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 For many ICFers Kishen after 200 was a must starter in all formats but now he is hack and should not be in the team. You cannot judge any young player based on one series. Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, putrevus said: For many ICFers Kishen after 200 was a must starter in all formats but now he is hack and should not be in the team. You cannot judge any young player based on one series. Depends on which Kishan you're talking about. Had Kishan got out cheaply while trying to score up the ante, no one would raise questions. This Kishan is just trying to play conservatively Tripathi had his inconsistencies as well but he tried to play for the team, and hence that's admired. Hacks are useful and a must in T20's. 33(20) is better than 87(60) Edited February 4, 2023 by singhvivek141 Link to comment
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