Odi team is getting sorted

[sandeep]

55 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

As of now..we are back to same old method...top 3 scoring bulk of the runs..again preparing same recipe for failure in ICC events..

 

With a huge change though - Rohit's SR used to be in the 70s in the powerplay in the name of 'getting set' for that big platform.  Now its 92.  I don't care if it turns out that top 3 are scoring the bulk or not, as long as the team run-rate in the first 30 overs is 7 or so.   Indian batting has the quality and depth to consistently aim at 200 in 30 overs or even sooner on 'good' days.  In earlier days, we used to aim for 160-170 in 30 overs.  Targeting those extra 40-50 runs in the first 30 overs, on a regular basis, will mean that instead of putting up a chaseable 340, we will put up 380-400 more often.  

 

But as we saw today, even a great start is no guarantor of 400.  Team has to work out the kinks and figure out the momentum, risk vs consolidation methods in the 25-50 over phase.  Which they will.  At least now the middle order has the opportunity to do so, without always being saddled with the job of dragging sub-par team totals to par or slightly par+.  

[Need4Speed]

27 minutes ago, sandeep said:

With a huge change though - Rohit's SR used to be in the 70s in the powerplay in the name of 'getting set' for that big platform.  Now its 92.  I don't care if it turns out that top 3 are scoring the bulk or not, as long as the team run-rate in the first 30 overs is 7 or so.   Indian batting has the quality and depth to consistently aim at 200 in 30 overs or even sooner on 'good' days.  In earlier days, we used to aim for 160-170 in 30 overs.  Targeting those extra 40-50 runs in the first 30 overs, on a regular basis, will mean that instead of putting up a chaseable 340, we will put up 380-400 more often.  

 

But as we saw today, even a great start is no guarantor of 400.  Team has to work out the kinks and figure out the momentum, risk vs consolidation methods in the 25-50 over phase.  Which they will.  At least now the middle order has the opportunity to do so, without always being saddled with the job of dragging sub-par team totals to par or slightly par+.  

Thats welcome change..we need to test the middle order more and more..so it gets battle hardened for icc events..

also if KL Rahul they are making certainty..we need him to play explosive game at his number..even Pandya as well..

if more often we are going to get solid platform from top order/MO..the lower middle order should be prepared to bat at 200+ SR..may be learn some shots from SKY lol..infact they shud use coming ipl  to develop some more hitting ability and scoring at high SR in order to prep for WCup role..

but both of them are captains of their franchise and may play the accumulator role..

[express bowling]

On 1/24/2023 at 11:51 PM, sandeep said:

 

With all due respect, that is your personal opinion, a subjective one, and one you are entitled to.  Others can agree or disagree.  Similarly, the team management is also allowed to have a perspective and make their choices based on what they believe is best.  And they are hired to do that job.  So one should be gracious and mature enough when discussing such subjective judgement calls, that there can be more than one "right" answer, instead of hurling random insults and bad language at legends like Dravid.  I'm not saying you did that - but plenty on this forum did.  

 

And I'm not saying that just because Dravid is who he is, he should be above criticism or disagreement.  By all means, go for it and express your opinions and criticisms, rant away - but there should be some sort of red lines that are self-imposed when it comes to that. 

 

In the name of "freedom of expression" there are plenty of posters who really vent toxic garbage.  I neither have the desire nor the time to police such crap.  I wish more folks followed your lead in posting criticism instead of the silly nonsense that litters the forum - a little too frequently for me. 

 

 

We were discussing the validity of personal opinions only.

 

If a person thinks that Kishan should have played after his 200+ but Gill is a better choice now because he has played multiple top knocks, I don't see any logical weakness there.

 

They are relative newbies with  small bodies of work, and no one can say that X should be preferred over Y with certainty.

 

But dropping a double centurion in the next match is something different and does not go down well with most people. And if it happens, strong criticism will come. 

[tweaker]

13 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

We were discussing the validity of personal opinions only.

 

If a person thinks that Kishan should have played after his 200+ but Gill is a better choice now because he has played multiple top knocks, I don't see any logical weakness there.

 

They are relative newbies with  small bodies of work, and no one can say that X should be preferred over Y with certainty.

 

But dropping a double centurion in the next match is something different and does not go down well with most people. And if it happens, strong criticism will come. 

A youngster is nurtured even after repeated failures but in our system a younster is dropped after a double century ,even though he is wicket keeper,a left handed batsman.

Now we can see Kishan has lost the confidence as he knows he can dropped once Rahul is back

[Chakdephatte]

For 360 days in year, personal milestones don't matter for ICFers. Now that Dravid has choose a player based on observation over someone who scored irrelevant 200 at an easy surface, it has become the point of discussion 

Edited January 29 by Chakdephatte

[putrevus]

For Kishen to be dropped after scoring 200 where he reached 200 in 31st over is unforgivable.Gill can score 50 100s in a row it would still be a crime.

 

Gill in contrast reached 200 in last overs. It  is not even contest Kishen's knock is the template we want moving forward.

 

 

[wanted_desi]

32 minutes ago, putrevus said:

For Kishen to be dropped after scoring 200 where he reached 200 in 31st over is unforgivable.Gill can score 50 100s in a row it would still be a crime.

 

Gill in contrast reached 200 in last overs. It  is not even contest Kishen's knock is the template we want moving forward.

 

 

 

Never should one Inning define your strategy. Gill was scoring at 70 average and SR>100 for a year. One inning by hack shouldn't question Gill's place. 

[putrevus]

On 1/29/2023 at 8:49 AM, wanted_desi said:

 

Never should one Inning define your strategy. Gill was scoring at 70 average and SR>100 for a year. One inning by hack shouldn't question Gill's place. 

Coaching and captaincy is all about giving confidence to players.

 

I have seen both innings I will pick Kishan’s 200 over Gill’s.

 

If they wanted Gill to be an opener then Rohit should have played in the middle order.

 

It is utter nonsense that you drop a player after he scores fastest 200.

 

Edited February 2 by putrevus

[sandeep]

20 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

We were discussing the validity of personal opinions only.

 

If a person thinks that Kishan should have played after his 200+ but Gill is a better choice now because he has played multiple top knocks, I don't see any logical weakness there.

 

They are relative newbies with  small bodies of work, and no one can say that X should be preferred over Y with certainty.

 

But dropping a double centurion in the next match is something different and does not go down well with most people. And if it happens, strong criticism will come. 

yep all of that is fine - I only take issue with curse words being flung at Dravid etc  -criticize the decision not the man, that was my point.  And I think we are on the same page mostly - I was referring to a vomiting minority...

[tweaker]

Tripathi should be tried in odi team

[Chakdephatte]

1 hour ago, tweaker said:

Tripathi should be tried in odi team

 

Better try Shaw and Samson. His list A record is not impressive. Neither this age is on right side. Intent can only get you so far.

[prudent_kreeda]

4 hours ago, tweaker said:

Tripathi should be tried in odi team

 

Well a T20 #1 guy is finding it tough to adapt to ODI , we cannot have one more batter - capable of few sixes or bust .At best you can have 1 such bat.

We need one more Gill like bat if available  -who has good defence , can change gear when needed and equally good vs pace & spin.. 

[vvvslaxman]

13 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

Better try Shaw and Samson. His list A record is not impressive. Neither this age is on right side. Intent can only get you so far.

 

One dayers needs players who can build and finish.  That is where we suck balls in every ICC tournament. 

[Chakdephatte]

6 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

One dayers needs players who can build and finish.

 

Hardly. We need 5 batsman just doing their job and nothing else. We are not good particularly at finishing.

 

I can't name many who can do both jobs. Kohli, Rohit, Warner, Butler among this present day batsmen.

[Strangering]

In the end they'll lose to Sri Lanka and Pakistan at multi team tournaments. At least we will get a spectacle of a close match against Bangladesh at the next Asia cup...

[putrevus]

For many ICFers Kishen after 200 was a must starter in all formats but now he is hack and should not be in the team.

 

You cannot judge any young player based on one series.

[singhvivek141]

10 hours ago, putrevus said:

For many ICFers Kishen after 200 was a must starter in all formats but now he is hack and should not be in the team.

 

You cannot judge any young player based on one series.

Depends on which Kishan you're talking about. Had Kishan got out cheaply while trying to score up the ante, no one would raise questions.

 

This Kishan is just trying to play conservatively 

 

Tripathi had his inconsistencies as well but he tried to play for the team, and hence that's admired.

 

Hacks are useful and a must in T20's. 33(20) is better than 87(60) 

Edited February 4 by singhvivek141