Final ball Pakistan v India THRILLER at the Gabba 2000

[Mesky99]

On 2/4/2023 at 3:35 PM, Number said:

Great game, we should have won.

Our full strength team was more than a match to Pakistan even in their best years.

Jadeja was a massive blow, he was at his peak, around 30 and could been a terrific middle order batter for the next four years, I think even Imran said during 1991 series in Sharjah, India had a superior team, young Sachin, manjrekar was terrific against Pak, shastri, Azhar, sidhu, Kapil, Prabhakar, Srinath, Raju, kumble. Pretty solid team that was, we probably underachieved then. 

 

 

[Mesky99]

10 hours ago, raki05 said:

BTW I was looking at the speed of some of Pakistani super Phaast t bowler .....phast waqar was bowling between 109 to 130 ....Phaast Wasim was bowling also around same seen few balls and it was 130ish. Shoaib Akhtar was bowling 139-142. If you believe Pakistani and some Indian Akhtar never bowl below 145 and Akram and Younis even at the time of retirement were bowling around 135-140. 

Agarkar hitting 140kph with his slim physique. Indian bowlers played here straight after the test series so I guess some tiring.

[rollingstoned]

I had forgotten how much slower balls were used even back then. Good video and brings back memories. We got thrashed in that test series but the team wasn't all that bad imo.

[Rightarmfast]

49 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Agarkar hitting 140kph with his slim physique. Indian bowlers played here straight after the test series so I guess some tiring.

Agarkar was mostly 142, 143ish. I have no doubt that had he been 6 ft tall, he would have bowled in 150's.

[Mesky99]

13 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Agarkar was mostly 142, 143ish. I have no doubt that had he been 6 ft tall, he would have bowled in 150's.

He was short, his easy going runup and action, incredible how he generated such speeds, he was wiry, packed a punch with the bat and had a rocket arm from the deep.

[speedracer]

15 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

He was short, his easy going runup and action, incredible how he generated such speeds, he was wiry, packed a punch with the bat and had a rocket arm from the deep.

Lol bro did u post on that cricket video in the comments? I saw a mesky there. Agreed with everything you posted. Everything changed after 03 04

[sandeep]

19 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

He was short, his easy going runup and action, incredible how he generated such speeds, he was wiry, packed a punch with the bat and had a rocket arm from the deep.

Aggy's problem was his control, (lack of), and his tendency to bowl the fuller length even in situations where it didn't work well.  That was a double edged sword for him, because it fetched him a lot of wickets, especially early on in his ODI career, but it also led to him being smacked around on a regular basis.  It was the latter that led me to fabricate the "DROPAGARKAR" theorem, a mathematical treatise that's lost in the internet archives now.  

[Trichromatic]

Why was keeper standing so back to Prasad?

[Sandz]

On 2/6/2023 at 8:02 AM, raki05 said:

No doubt Wasim, waqar were great bowler but it has to do with their bowling skill , swing , bounce variation. But as per Pakistani and some manjarekar type Indians only thing they hype them for thembeing Phaast. if you look at the video posted waqar speed looks pathetic than Sandeep Sharma , Wasim is a different beast but his speed was also like tired Bhuvi. Shoaib is literally bowling 140ish but as per @Adamant he never bowls below 148 even in test.

Spot on, none of them were phast, all medium fast trundlers.

[singhprakash72]

On 2/7/2023 at 8:42 AM, Trichromatic said:

Why was keeper standing so back to Prasad?

I remember watching this match ...some basic mistakes including Dighe standing back and keeping both the gloves on. India had them on ropes at 6/71 and then 7/121 with all tailenders left. For a low scoring match like this the slips should have been in place all the time and Indian ground fielding (despite outstanding catch by dravid) was not up to the mark. In end the match could have still gone India's way with little bit of luck.

[Pakistan]

On 2/6/2023 at 7:52 AM, singhvivek141 said:

It's not good, when you call your "legends" as second tier.
Younis till date is salty due to that assault by Jadeja, turned Waqar into Bekar.

That was World Cup. My comment was about some other matches in which those legends did not play.

[Pakistan]

On 2/6/2023 at 3:22 AM, raki05 said:

And in wcs... especially when your greatest captain Shat in front of 19 yo kid. 

Why edited?

[Throwaib_Chuckter]

On 2/6/2023 at 1:31 PM, raki05 said:

BTW I was looking at the speed of some of Pakistani super Phaast t bowler .....phast waqar was bowling between 109 to 130 ....Phaast Wasim was bowling also around same seen few balls and it was 130ish. Shoaib Akhtar was bowling 139-142. If you believe Pakistani and some Indian Akhtar never bowl below 145 and Akram and Younis even at the time of retirement were bowling around 135-140. 

That's blasphemous  , all these bowlers probably bowled around  150-160 kph in that match.
It was just the jealous Gora speed gun engineers who  messed with the settings so it would register trundler speeds  .

It was a big Saazish I tell you !!!

Chuckte Raho
TC

[diga]

Dravids catch off Moin Khan and his subsequent reaction (around 8:00) are priceless 

[diga]

Dravids catch off Moin Khan and his subsequent reaction (around 8:00) are priceless 

[rollingstoned]

On 2/7/2023 at 3:56 PM, sandeep said:

Aggy's problem was his control, (lack of), and his tendency to bowl the fuller length even in situations where it didn't work well.  That was a double edged sword for him, because it fetched him a lot of wickets, especially early on in his ODI career, but it also led to him being smacked around on a regular basis.  It was the latter that led me to fabricate the "DROPAGARKAR" theorem, a mathematical treatise that's lost in the internet archives now.  

One thing I liked about both Nehra and Agarkar was their attempt to always bowl quickly and look to take wickets. It meant both were expensive and not always appreciated by us though and in Agarkars case it seemed everyone was determined to turn him into Kapil dev which later even Irfan Pathan suffered from. 

[sandeep]

12 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

One thing I liked about both Nehra and Agarkar was their attempt to always bowl quickly and look to take wickets. It meant both were expensive and not always appreciated by us though and in Agarkars case it seemed everyone was determined to turn him into Kapil dev which later even Irfan Pathan suffered from. 

If a young Nehra had debuted after 2017 or so, he would have been yards better than what Shaheen Afridi is today.  Nehra was quality, but Indian cricket did not know how to get the best out of pace bowlers back then.  If he had stayed injury free a bit more, and had played county cricket early in his career, he could have been special.  

[Grand_Design]

Don't want to remember this period of Indian ODI cricket. It's shocking how poor we were in the format until 2007. 

 

This was Pakistan's greatest ever ODI side (Jan 1999 - June 2002)  and we were a terrible side . 

 

Until 2007, we used to get regularly beaten by a declining Windies side even .

[rollingstoned]

34 minutes ago, Grand_Design said:

Don't want to remember this period of Indian ODI cricket. It's shocking how poor we were in the format until 2007. 

 

This was Pakistan's greatest ever ODI side (Jan 1999 - June 2002)  and we were a terrible side . 

 

Until 2007, we used to get regularly beaten by a declining Windies side even .

Really? If you said until 2000 I'd have agreed but we had some good moments too. Made 2 ICC CT finals in 2000 and 2002, made the WC final in 2003 to lose to that ATG juggernaut and won an away series in Pakistan in 2004 and the memorable Natwest trophy finals where Yuvi and Kaif made a name for themselves in 2002. We lost some away odi series which was nothing out of the ordinary and had some big losses to SL in Sharjah and the Asia cup but other than that we played some pretty good cricket and under Chappell and after Dhoni becoming the WK reached new heights compared to the 90s. By that time at least the Indian audience turning off the tv because Sachin got out was well and truly behind us at least.

[diga]

1 minute ago, rollingstoned said:

Really? If you said until 2000 I'd have agreed but we had some good moments too. Made 2 ICC CT finals in 2000 and 2002, made the WC final in 2003 to lose to that ATG juggernaut and won an away series in Pakistan in 2004 and the memorable Natwest trophy finals where Yuvi and Kaif made a name for themselves in 2002. We lost some away odi series which was nothing out of the ordinary and had some big losses to SL in Sharjah and the Asia cup but other than that we played some pretty good cricket and under Chappell and after Dhoni becoming the WK reached new heights compared to the 90s. By that time at least the Indian audience turning off the tv because Sachin got out was well and truly behind us at least.

Plus the overseas test wins in Aus/Eng/WI/SA with dark days of match fixing behind us ... 2000-2008 was the revival of Indian cricket