sandeep Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 ravishingravi, Mariyam, Chakdephatte and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted February 26, 2023 Author Share Posted February 26, 2023 I know Javed Akhtar and opinions on him have become politicized - and I am not interested in 'judging' him. Or going off on tangents of whataboutism. But he's a skilled poet and writer, I like his perspective on things, and I enjoy listening to him. There's some wisdom in this video, motivated me to share it. Vijy and Mariyam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 8 hours ago, sandeep said: I know Javed Akhtar and opinions on him have become politicized - and I am not interested in 'judging' him. Or going off on tangents of whataboutism. But he's a skilled poet and writer, I like his perspective on things, and I enjoy listening to him. There's some wisdom in this video, motivated me to share it. he is also witty, regardless of whether one agrees with his views or not. sandeep and Mariyam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsriharsha Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 I don't mind Javed Akhtar and his views even if I don't agree to all of them. Those are his experiences and who are we to deny that. I'd have more time for his views than the views of kangana / anupam kher / Vivek agnihotri etc Mariyam and sandeep 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 I prefer Sampooran Singh Kalra. Better poetry with no politics ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 @sandeep You may find this interesting: sandeep and BacktoCricaddict 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 5 hours ago, coffee_rules said: I prefer Sampooran Singh Kalra. Better poetry with no politics True. There is politics in his name though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Very witty and knowledgeable guy. You listen to him and listen current gen of bollywood on Koffee with Karan, there is so much difference in intellect that it is shocking. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, Number said: Very witty and knowledgeable guy. You listen to him and listen current gen of bollywood on Koffee with Karan, there is so much difference in intellect that it is shocking. I agree with your assessment of Javed Akhtar. However, the comparison is totally flawed. Koffee with Karan is a frivolous show which invites actors mainly. Javed Akhtar is a writer and the clips posted here are from literary events/book launches. Javed Akhtar is as much a representation of the intellect of Bollywood of the yesteryears as the Koffee with Karan cabal is of today's Bollywood. If you were to interview writers/lyricists today, they would make for an interesting hearing. The likes of Prasoon Joshi, Imtiyaz Ali do have a fair grasp of reality and are able to convey their views with ample articulation. BacktoCricaddict and Vijy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 On 2/26/2023 at 7:53 PM, sandeep said: @sandeep @Mariyam Loha lohe ko kat ta hai. Akhtar is a rare intellectual in Bollywood. Sadhguru is extraordinarily witty with brilliant logic, reasoning and worldly sense. Under_Score and sandeep 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 48 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: @sandeep @Mariyam Loha lohe ko kat ta hai. Akhtar is a rare intellectual in Bollywood. Sadhguru is extraordinarily witty with brilliant logic, reasoning and worldly sense. JA comes across as angry and easily irritable. That, of course, does not mean he is wrong. But it is a terrible way to try and win people's hearts and minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: JA comes across as angry and easily irritable. That, of course, does not mean he is wrong. But it is a terrible way to try and win people's hearts and minds. Even Sadhguru does not seem to have the usual calm on his face - he seems agitated. Their opinions on spirituality are radically different and yet they seem to both sound reasonably convincing. Edited February 27, 2023 by rangeelaraja Vijy, Mariyam and Under_Score 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 4 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: JA comes across as angry and easily irritable. That, of course, does not mean he is wrong. But it is a terrible way to try and win people's hearts and minds. Usually happens when one is used to preaching to choir. Industry is pretty closed in its views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Usually happens when one is used to preaching to choir. Industry is pretty closed in its views. Another issue for rationalists is that it is easy to pi$$ everyone off. Most people exercise some kind of faith in a deity/deities, even if they don't actively practice religious rituals. To question that faith is futile because the purported existence and benevolence of said deity can never be dis-proven. And that can be frustrating. Edited February 27, 2023 by BacktoCricaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 6 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: @sandeep @Mariyam Loha lohe ko kat ta hai. Akhtar is a rare intellectual in Bollywood. Sadhguru is extraordinarily witty with brilliant logic, reasoning and worldly sense. Not sure what this video is supposed to show? clearly they have disagreements and differing views. IIRC Javed Akhtar is a self-proclaimed rationalist - maybe atheist or at least agnostic. And this snippet only shows a part of a verbal joust between the 2, and that too out of context. I'm not saying I favor one over the other, but the video title is certainly inaccurate and misleading. But then its a youtube video title, by definition its clickbait. Vijy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, sandeep said: Not sure what this video is supposed to show? clearly they have disagreements and differing views. IIRC Javed Akhtar is a self-proclaimed rationalist - maybe atheist or at least agnostic. And this snippet only shows a part of a verbal joust between the 2, and that too out of context. I'm not saying I favor one over the other, but the video title is certainly inaccurate and misleading. But then its a youtube video title, by definition its clickbait. Here is the full video: JA sounds like the most rationale person w.r.t spirituality, till you start hearing Sadguru. Edited February 28, 2023 by rangeelaraja Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 7 hours ago, sandeep said: Not sure what this video is supposed to show? clearly they have disagreements and differing views. IIRC Javed Akhtar is a self-proclaimed rationalist - maybe atheist or at least agnostic. And this snippet only shows a part of a verbal joust between the 2, and that too out of context. I'm not saying I favor one over the other, but the video title is certainly inaccurate and misleading. But then its a youtube video title, by definition its clickbait. virtually all youtube video titles are trashy Mariyam and BacktoCricaddict 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chakdephatte Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 23 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: Sadhguru is extraordinarily witty with brilliant logic, reasoning and worldly sense. He is an imposter of Christian missionaries. I don't have time to dig that up but there most of his unintentionally funny videos are available on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 On 2/27/2023 at 9:26 PM, BacktoCricaddict said: JA comes across as angry and easily irritable. That, of course, does not mean he is wrong. But it is a terrible way to try and win people's hearts and minds. A lot of that has to do with the way these 'talks' are designed for the TV audience. When you title a talk as a debate, there is an element of oneupmanship that creeps into the proceedings. Title it as a discussion and you'd have a real exchange of ideas, where people may even listen to one another without the need to constantly interject. ravishingravi and BacktoCricaddict 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 16 hours ago, Chakdephatte said: He is an imposter of Christian missionaries. I don't have time to dig that up but there most of his unintentionally funny videos are available on the internet. How is he an imposter of Christian missionaries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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