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Don’t want to talk about the political aspects etc but they to have a line up of very good fast bowlers who are excellent in T20. They don’t seem to have aspirations for longer formats so they usually keep themselves fit for T20

 

in terms of quantity at least they are ahead of most teams when it comes to 140+ t20

specialist bowlers. Their bowling is perfect for such conditions: they don’t have brains to set up batsmen etc or the stamina to last long formats but for loi especially t20 they have a gun bowling pool.

 

we are not being honest I feel when we say that they add no value.their bowlers (current lot) will only raise the standards of IPL even more.

 

Speaking  of value yes I know the nuisance value of their state itself etc but can’t ignore the talent pool :nice:

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Bowlers like Haris Shaheen Naseem will surely fetch good amounts no doubt.  Maybe even Ihsanullah.  But that's about it. 

Guys like Zaman Khan or Dahani Wasim Jnr won't get a gig. 

Oldies are irrelevant anyways but they form the majority in PSL. 

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11 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

PSL could use Indian bowlers. Fit Bumrah, Sami, Siraj, Arshdeep, Umran etc etc. All superior than locals their batsmen wack. 

Bumrah isn’t playing. Arshdeep is a good bowler but fast medium. Umran is special and Siraj is a proper bowler (tests and maybe ODIs) not a t20 bowler even though might have some moments in IPL.

 

lets not get into we need to say something negative for the sake of it. Just like rabid Islamism, anti-Hindu hatred and maybe some positive attributes pace bowling

culture and obsession is a huge part of Pakistani culture. Mediocre or not is a different debate but their bowlers like to bowl as quick as they can and that we need to give it to them.

 

They do have a potent bowling attack.

 

in fact I don’t think even their spin bowlers Nawaz and Shadab are not worse than Chahal, Jadeja etc. I am only speaking for T20. In tests Jadeja is a better batsman, bowler and fielder than any player fielded by Pakistan in the last 10 years atleast in tests and so is Ashwin.

 

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, maniac said:

Bumrah isn’t playing. Arshdeep is a good bowler but fast medium. Umran is special and Siraj is a proper bowler (tests and maybe ODIs) not a t20 bowler even though might have some moments in IPL.

 

lets not get into we need to say something negative for the sake of it. Just like rabid Islamism, anti-Hindu hatred and maybe some positive attributes pace bowling

culture and obsession is a huge part of Pakistani culture. Mediocre or not is a different debate but their bowlers like to bowl as quick as they can and that we need to give it to them.

 

They do have a potent bowling attack.

 

in fact I don’t think even their spin bowlers Nawaz and Shadab are not worse than Chahal, Jadeja etc. I am only speaking for T20. In tests Jadeja is a better batsman, bowler and fielder than any player fielded by Pakistan in the last 10 years atleast in tests and so is Ashwin.

What negative have i written? Just pointed all leagues are few top bowler among list of medicore bowler taking PSL as an example. Not my problem you cant read between the lines, also you want to write essay on love for Pakistan do it at your own expense. 

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Pakistan indeed have decent T20 bowlers. These 8 are their white ball T20 fast bowlers in order of prefrence.

 

Shaheen Afridi

Naseem Shah

Haris Rauf

Insullahah

Zaman khan

M Wasim jnr. 

M Hasnain

S Dahanai

 

Some of them are lackluster but they all are over 140+.

 

Still not convinced with them in ODI cricket though ( and forget test cricket) except Shaheen.

 

Moreover they also have a decent spin ball  T20 attack all of whom can bat.

 

Shadab

Nawaz

Imad

Usama Mir

 

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27 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

What negative have i written? Just pointed all leagues are few top bowler among list of medicore bowler taking PSL as an example. Not my problem you cant read between the lines, also you want to write essay on love for Pakistan do it at your own expense. 


I am the last guy and you should know it having been alongside me on this forum for many years to think I have any love for Pakistan lol.

 

Having said that, current Pak line up does have excellent fast bowlers.
 

is that what you disagree with? Hit me with thoughts/ analysis etc instead of rhetoric.

 

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1 hour ago, maniac said:


I am the last guy and you should know it having been alongside me on this forum for many years to think I have any love for Pakistan lol.

 

Having said that, current Pak line up does have excellent fast bowlers.
 

is that what you disagree with? Hit me with thoughts/ analysis etc instead of rhetoric.

 

I agree with the point they have a few good t20 bowlers but that is the case with every team. Most leagues could do with few Indian spinners. 

 

As far as love for Pakistan goes, i see a whole bunch going soft on them thanks to Pakistani all praise for India on youtube. 

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9 hours ago, maniac said:

Speaking  of value yes I know the nuisance value of their state itself etc but can’t ignore the talent pool :nice:

Talent pool are available in India as well, but we aren't able to justify it..

 

Secondly, I don't see any benefit of so called "talent pool" of theirs, with the 4 overseas rule they aren't going to get games because their skill level is inferior, are poor fielders, lethargic attitude, are poor team players and on top of it some of theirs bowling actions are just questionable. Their inclusion will do nothing but drag down the overall quality of IPL. 

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12 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

There is no country with as many high pace options as Pakistan currently. Even one of their allrounders , Aamer Jamal, nearly clocked 150 kph. 

 

 

To give them credit, they promotes/exaggerates their fast bowlers a lot...due to which their pacers strive to hit high speeds (at it gives impetus to their career). Dahani is a 135-140 bowler with high pace around 142-144, but is hyped as 150kph speed demon..same with Naseem.

 

India has even bigger pool of quicks, but our selectors and commies leave no chance to degrade them...Umran bowls at 155kph (157 in IPL) and they say he has a bit of pace...Tyagi, Kuldeep, Mohsin, Harshit, Asif, Prasidh, Nagarkoti...they all have bowled late 140's to early 150's....hardly you will se hype train about them.

 

Someone like Mavi who bowled 148kph in U-19 now bowls at 135kph, but no one talks about why his pace has went down. Brett Lee calls for Umran's inclusion in T20 WC but we select Harshal Patel...why will a fast bowler will strive to bowl quick then. Where is the motivation for a tear away quick...when all we will get is Mukesh Kumar's getting selected for national duties.

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Most of them won't be picked by Teams in the playing 11  barring Shahern, Rauf snd Naseem.

 

Look at the plight of 

 

Kartik Tyagi

Kuldeep Sen

Harshit Rana

Gurnoor Brar 

 

Mohsin Khan warmed the bench for MI for so long.

 

In India they like 130 k floaty pacers, preferably short, unless they are established pacers. 

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1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

There is no country with as many high pace options as Pakistan currently. Even one of their allrounders , Aamer Jamal, nearly clocked 150 kph. 

 

 

Not nearly. He clocked 150.6 and a 149 something delivery to hales.

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2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

To give them credit, they promotes/exaggerates their fast bowlers a lot...due to which their pacers strive to hit high speeds (at it gives impetus to their career). Dahani is a 135-140 bowler with high pace around 142-144, but is hyped as 150kph speed demon..same with Naseem.

 

India has even bigger pool of quicks, but our selectors and commies leave no chance to degrade them...Umran bowls at 155kph (157 in IPL) and they say he has a bit of pace...Tyagi, Kuldeep, Mohsin, Harshit, Asif, Prasidh, Nagarkoti...they all have bowled late 140's to early 150's....hardly you will se hype train about them.

 

Someone like Mavi who bowled 148kph in U-19 now bowls at 135kph, but no one talks about why his pace has went down. Brett Lee calls for Umran's inclusion in T20 WC but we select Harshal Patel...why will a fast bowler will strive to bowl quick then. Where is the motivation for a tear away quick...when all we will get is Mukesh Kumar's getting selected for national duties.


Naseem shah is a consistent 140 kph plus bowler and has been for a very long time in all formats. Even in test match cricket. Look up the data. He is more consistent with his pace than Haris and Shaheen.

Pace isnt hyped for no reason. Anyone who bowls 90 mph will get attention. Speed gun and data is available everywhere now.

Dahani has clocked 150 kph in internation cricket and 90 mph multiple times before his pace went down due to persistent injuries.

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18 minutes ago, the don said:

Dahani has clocked 150 kph in international cricket before his injury meant that he lost pace.  
Naseem shah on the other hand is a consistent 140 kph plus bowler and has been for a very long time in all formats. Even in test match cricket. Look up the data. He is more consistent with his pace than Haris and Shaheen.

 

I have seen Dahani bowl against India then few in England series...not sure if that's pre injury or post but his pace was down and was going for lot of runs. On top of that his action doesn't suggest he can sustain 150kph pace.

Naseem is 140+ and I agree...but he's not 150kph which some people claimed to be....I have even seen him bowl 134-136 against Australia but as he was coming from injury so will give him a pass there.

Shaheen is like Amir...who bowls 140+ in T20's but his pace drops once the format length increases. 

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3 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:


Naseem is 140+ and I agree...but he's not 150kph which some people claimed to be....I have even seen him bowl 134-136 against Australia but as he was coming from injury so will give him a pass there.

Shaheen is like Amir...who bowls 140+ in T20's but his pace drops once the format length increases. 


they don’t have stamina or quality to last test matches that includes Shaheen but in T20’s they are consistently fast. 
 

They are a very good T20 side. I would argue there isn’t much to separate us and them In T20.

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