vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 Just now, AKane said: Imagine Jimmy protege Ollie instead of Woakes (like in first 2 tests) - and we would all be marvelling at Aussie batsmen even more. Yes. This is a phattu Australian side . Especially become more meek under cummins. Smith is a 10 times better captain. England missed the golden opportunity to win the series by backing those useless trundlers.
ThirtyD. Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said: James Anderson: Stuart Broad retirement makes me 'more firm' to continue England cricket career James Anderson: Stuart Broad retirement makes me 'more firm' to continue England cricket career | Cricket News | Sky Sports Someone check his lineage on ancestry.com; he might be a part Indian vvvslaxman, AKane, Kothili and 1 other 4
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Lord said: I'll rather have results. This Bazball will be exposed in tough tours but then that will be their usual loss. But from English perspective this is the best approach. BEfore that they lost like 11 tests under Root by playing anti-bazball cricket. I think if they fine tune their bazball they can be more effective. Declaration is one thing. Second thing is playing too fast giving very little rest to bowlers.
LordPrabhzy Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said: Thats the end of test summer in UK....the hundreds starts tomorrow...lol Rashid Khan pulled out last minute- the cost high profile signing cba with the tournament LOL. I think after this season it will be scrapped by ECB. Eng players wont compromise on rest to play in Hundred- but Indian players will hide injuries or rest during internationals to play in IPL Austin 3:!6 1
Lord Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Do we really need a coach to win in India by our side? LOl A block of wood can do the same. But under Dravid we didn't whitewash NZ. Didn't beat Australia more convincingly. Almost lost to Bangladesh. Lost 5th test handsomely. Lost WTC final. So why can't England replicate it in England? Winning at home is not as easy as you make it out to be. We made WTC Final. England didn't. Even WI beat England lol.
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 When is our tour to NZ and SA. Two frontiers the current team has to conquer.
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 Just now, Lord said: So why can't England replicate it in England? Winning at home is not as easy as you make it out to be. We made WTC Final. England didn't. Even WI beat England lol. We should look at it from England perspective not from perspective. Also you should compare England with the England of old not England with India. India has different strengths.
putrevus Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lord said: I'll rather have results. This Bazball will be exposed in tough tours but then that will be their usual loss. What results does Dravid have? India will win in Asia with any coach. ( he inherited two of the greatest match winners) in Jadeja and Ashwin. He has lost winnable series in Sa and then in England. Not to mention his stinkers in T20 world cup. Edited July 31, 2023 by putrevus
Lord Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: But from English perspective this is the best approach. BEfore that they lost like 11 tests under Root by playing anti-bazball cricket. I think if they fine tune their bazball they can be more effective. Declaration is one thing. Second thing is playing too fast giving very little rest to bowlers. They won't have to worry about declaration in India or Aus. Rather than approach,what's working is that they have found good openers (earlier it was Burns and Sibley) and Stokes is better captain than Root.
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Lord said: They won't have to worry about declaration in India or Aus. Rather than approach,what's working is that they have found good openers (earlier it was Burns and Sibley) and Stokes is better captain than Root. NZ/Australia/England all toured and played on those pattas in Pakistan NZ 0-0 Australia 1-0 England 3-0 It definitely works for them. In NZ they won the first Test. Second Test lost by 1 run. It won't last for sure given that their bowling won't be bale to take the load. Right now it works for them.
Lord Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: NZ/Australia/England all toured and played on those pattas in Pakistan NZ 0-0 Australia 1-0 England 3-0 It definitely works for them. In NZ they won the first Test. Second Test lost by 1 run. It won't last for sure given that their bowling won't be bale to take the load. Right now it works for them. yeah on pattas or even flatter wickets, this approach works. Double edged sword though. Opposition knows not to give such tracks. Don't think they can adapt to bowling friendly wickets and see off spells. That'll be their real test.
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lord said: yeah on pattas or even flatter wickets, this approach works. Double edged sword though. Opposition knows not to give such tracks. Don't think they can adapt to bowling friendly wickets and see off spells. That'll be their real test. They way they will see it is better than before. In a way India won the famous 2021 series in Australia because of that positive approach. India was going to lose SCG test. Then Pant broke free and completely disturbed their line and length. India got away with draw. Same in the final test. India being up against run rate Gill's ultra aggressive approach set the tone for us. Phattu batting rarely works in these conditions. If the phattu batter is not surrounded by atleast few aggressive batsmen
Lord Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: They way they will see it is better than before. In a way India won the famous 2021 series in Australia because of that positive approach. India was going to lose SCG test. Then Pant broke free and completely disturbed their line and length. India got away with draw. Same in the final test. India being up against run rate Gill's ultra aggressive approach set the tone for us. Phattu batting rarely works in these conditions. If the phattu batter is not surrounded by atleast few aggressive batsmen yeah but both were relatively flat decks too. Pujara also played a crucial role with Pant/Gill.
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lord said: yeah but both were relatively flat decks too. Pujara also played a crucial role with Pant/Gill. Your other option is batting like West INdies did against us.
Kothili Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Lord said: yeah but both were relatively flat decks too. Jay Shah must have personally rolled over them a few times. Edited July 31, 2023 by Kothili
Bigg Brother Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 Such a blockbuster series this was. Rain ruined it in 4th test otherwise thoroughly enjoyable series. This is how 5 test match series should be. Kudos to Australian players as well, most of them went on to play 6 test matches in span of 2 months without any injury. Not easy to maintain that zeal and energy but brilliant on their part unlike our sooperstars who would have wanted rest after 2 matches or broke down while playing or run away for playing IPeeL. Anyway great entertainment this was. Now will have to wait for 1.5 year , I wonder what would be the team composition of Australia when they play next Ashes as many of them are 33+.
Frustrated Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Kothili said: Makes us two. Out of a whole bunch of people. Officially @Frustrated and me per Ashes poll above. I knew it would be a drawn series, like the last ashes held in Eng (in 2019). Even the scoreline is the same this time (2-2). These two sides are quite evenly matched in english conditions. In Aus, it's a different ball game altogether, where Eng usually play like minnows.
Frustrated Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 The only thing that surprised me a bit is that Eng did not have to rely much on express pacers like M Wood. Trundler Chris Woakes did the job for them on most occassions. (3rd test onwards when he was included in playing11). It goes to show that even a trundler who is consistent and accurate with his release points can win u games in Eng. Woakes did not play the first 2 games, otherwise the result could hv been a little different.
Suhaan Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Frustrated said: The only thing that surprised me a bit is that Eng did not have to rely much on express pacers like M Wood. Trundler Chris Woakes did the job for them on most occassions. (3rd test onwards when he was included in playing11). It goes to show that even a trundler who is consistent and accurate with his release points can win u games in Eng. Woakes did not play the first 2 games, otherwise the result could hv been a little different. Woakes has height plus truly even the trundlers aka here line length/control bowlers have to bowl in line and length to be effective Our trundlers like Unadcutter,Thakur bowl both sides of the wicket but they get away for being "beautiful to eyes bowling" Mukesha is another average mediocre trundler with no bounce but pseudo swing Edited August 1, 2023 by Suhaan Frustrated 1
MechEng Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 Woakes will get hammered when he will have to bowl with the kookaburra and on hard wickets.
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