Is lack of bilateral cricket against Pakistan the main reason behind our trophy drought?

[Lord]

1 minute ago, zen said:

Those tracks are prepared for the exact purpose of taking the batsmen of the visiting batsmen out of the game without much effort. 

No one is saying to prepare green tops only but a variety of pitches and not doctored one. Btw, Ind has prepared green top. An example is when Ganguly refused to play v Aus. 
 

UAE and SL will not offer doctored pitches. 

 

then how do Indian bats do well? Simply because they are better at playing spin.

 

India will still hammer SENA teams in UAE/SL etc unless they are roads. SENA bats need to learn to play spin

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

then how do Indian bats do well? Simply because they are better at playing spin.

 

India will still hammer SENA teams in UAE/SL etc unless they are roads. SENA bats need to learn to play spin

OS teams rely on a second or third string bowling attack when they come to India. Many of these bowlers hardly play for their teams regularly again. And these second string bowling attacks have pushed Indian batting to the limits too. Examples include Clarke picking up 6 wickets and India struggling to a win. 
 

These pitches do not add much value to cricket. 
 

Edited June 12, 2023 by zen

[Lord]

1 minute ago, zen said:

OS teams rely on a second string bowling attack when they come to India. Many of these bowlers hardly play for their teams regularly againS  And thse second string bowling attacks too have pushed Indian batting to the limits too. Examples include Clarke picking up 6 wickets and India struggling to a win. 
 

These pitches do not add much value to cricket. 
 

Lyon, Maharaj, Leach,Moeen played regularly for their sides. All have been unsuccessful in India.These are not second string spinners.

 

 

[zen]

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

Lyon, Maharaj, Leach,Moeen played regularly for their sides. All have been unsuccessful in India.These are not second string spinners.

 

Ind plays with 2-3 specialist spinners with the experience of bowling on doctored pitches. 
 

Many teams only have 1 good quality rspinner. Others don’t even play for their team much after such tours.

 

Likes of Mooen are not regular main spinners like a Lyon for e.g. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by zen

[Lord]

8 minutes ago, zen said:

Ind plays with 2-3 specialist spinners with the experience of bowling on doctored pitches. 
 

Many teams only have 1 good quality rspinner. Others don’t even play for their team much after such tours.

 

Likes of Mooen are not regular main spinners like a Lyon for e.g. 

So why can't these teams field 2-3 spinners themselves. Quality isn't required because as per you its easy to bowl for spinners in India.

 

Moeen played as a lone spinner for England for long time.

[zen]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

So why can't these teams field 2-3 spinners themselves. Quality isn't required because as per you its easy to bowl for spinners in India.

 

Moeen played as a lone spinner for England for long time.

No major teams plays on such garbage tracks while India plays tons of cricket including like 50% of its games on such tracks. For a SENA team, a 3-4 tests in 3 to 4 years period is a small percentage to be making too many changes. 

It is India that needs to get better at playing cricket on conditions in which a large number of teams play to become a force. 

 

 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, zen said:

No major teams plays on such garbage tracks while India plays tons of cricket including like 50% of its games on such tracks. For a SENA team, a 3-4 tests in 3 to 4 years period is a small percentage to be making too many changes. 

It is India that needs to get better at playing cricket on conditions in which a large number of teams play to become a force. 

 

 

Its already a force.

 

Might not have won WTC but qualified twice for finals. Won series in Aus twice, drew in Eng and won 1 Test in  SA too.They all must have dustbowls

 

Which SENA team has such record in Asia? or any other team with such record?

[zen]

13 minutes ago, Lord said:

Its already a force.

 

Might not have won WTC but qualified twice for finals. Won series in Aus twice, drew in Eng and won 1 Test in  SA too.They all must have dustbowls

 

Which SENA team has such record in Asia? or any other team with such record?

It’s about a developing a sustainable system that churns out well rounded players to form competitive teams. 
 

Considering its resources (including availability of a large pool of players), India is not a force. In terms of population, a it is like the whole of mainland Europe combining to field a team. 
 

India is still pursuing a strategy that it used to compete when it was relatively a minnow in 90s. It has not taken the next step. It is as if its mindset is still at BD and SL level. 
 

Relatively sporting pitches help Indian cricket more in the long run. 

[sandeep]

Premise is flawed and without basis.  

 

And even assuming it was true, current policy is necessary for the foreseeable future.   ICC trophies are less important than the lives of Indian citizens.

[cowboysfan]

Its time to acknowledge that our team is not very good atleast outside of Home.other teams like England and the aussies have match winners who make the difference all on their own but we have none.the 2 guys we did have in Bumrah and Pant are injured and may not play Test cricket for atleast one more ear.

[sandeep]

On 6/13/2023 at 5:16 PM, cowboysfan said:

Its time to acknowledge that our team is not very good atleast outside of Home.other teams like England and the aussies have match winners who make the difference all on their own but we have none.the 2 guys we did have in Bumrah and Pant are injured and may not play Test cricket for atleast one more ear.

 

Yes team is not very good.  Frustration and disappointment is with the fact that a lot of the problems are solvable and self-inflicted.

[Vilander]

How many world icc events have pak won in the interim abd how many finals did they feature in. If its more than india then logically there is some corelation in this. 

[Vijy]

On 6/13/2023 at 5:16 PM, cowboysfan said:

Its time to acknowledge that our team is not very good atleast outside of Home.other teams like England and the aussies have match winners who make the difference all on their own but we have none.the 2 guys we did have in Bumrah and Pant are injured and may not play Test cricket for atleast one more ear.

it's not even that good within home any more. eng won a test here, aus won 1 (and could have won 1-2 more).

[vvvslaxman]

On 6/13/2023 at 4:16 PM, cowboysfan said:

Its time to acknowledge that our team is not very good atleast outside of Home.other teams like England and the aussies have match winners who make the difference all on their own but we have none.the 2 guys we did have in Bumrah and Pant are injured and may not play Test cricket for atleast one more ear.

 

We won't be good at home as well. This world cup will prove that.

[Vijy]

37 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

We won't be good at home as well. This world cup will prove that.

1st round exit coming up for the sooperstahs

[Nikhil_cric]

Thread may have a point when it comes to LOI cricket but Pakistan is a terrible Test side. Can't blame WTC failures on that. We play OZ and England regularly and