Gollum Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Why did Ashwin hardly play any ODI cricket the last 6 years if they wanted him in 2023 WC? Baffling decision, gave a long rope to Sundar, now back him. And why waste so much time on Chahal? Indian selections haven't made any sense the last few years. Lord, nitinbwj, rollingstoned and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Better send Ashwin to Asian Games, not a WC when he has been out of this format for so long. nitinbwj and Lone Wolf 2 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 SKY is a bigger fraud than Frauduja. 0,0,0 are his last 3 scores against Aus. He will be playing against the same team. Ande Pe Ande....to be contd.. rollingstoned, Gollum, AKane and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Gollum said: Why did Ashwin hardly play any ODI cricket the last 6 years if they wanted him in 2023 WC? Baffling decision, gave a long rope to Sundar, now back him. And why waste so much time on Chahal? Indian selections haven't made any sense the last few years. I am not sure where everyone gets the idea Sundar can't bowl well. He has improved. In 2021/22 VH season he was the third highest wicket taker. Highest wicket taker among spinners. 8 matches 16 wickets 17.93 avge 4.77 ER including a fifer. He didn't play 2022/23 season. IN Deoadar trophy he was one of the most economical spinner. 6 matches 8 wickets 4.09 ER, 26.12 avge. In each match he bowled a minimum 9 or 10 overs. Edited September 18, 2023 by vvvslaxman Downtown 1 Link to comment
AKane Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Frustrated said: SKY is a bigger fraud than Frauduja. 0,0,0 are his last 3 scores against Aus. He will be playing against the same team. Ande Pe Ande....to be contd.. That is just the beginning.... The peerless KL is the captain now - one Asia cup and all is forgiven for the favorites!!! Frustrated and nitinbwj 1 1 Link to comment
ipl is fun Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 So they are resting Kuldeep so Aussie doesn't sort him out ??? Lot of these players played KY at Delhi. Also there are 8 other team for which KY needs to get into rythm I don't get why Tilak, Gaik even there? They should have used the 3rd ODI team for the first two also and rotated the players to give them playing time nitinbwj 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: So wickets of Kirsten, Gibbs, Kallis, Cronje didn't play a role in that win? Of course he had a role to play, you're telling me the occasion & the stage didn't? And again it wasn't a win! How many KO games has Kuldeep played in comparison, also did you forget the 96 finals against SL? View overall figures [change view] Start of match date less than or equal to 31 Dec 1996 Trophy World Cup Match type tournament finals or tournament cons. finals or tournament semi-finals or tournament quarter-finals Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 5 Ordered by bowling average (ascending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 19 of 19 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 GJ Gilmour (AUS) 1975-1975 2 2 24.0 8 62 11 6/14 5.63 2.58 13.0 0 2 M Amarnath (IND) 1983-1983 2 2 19.0 1 39 5 3/12 7.80 2.05 22.8 0 0 MD Marshall (WI) 1983-1983 2 2 23.0 3 52 5 3/28 10.40 2.26 27.6 0 0 CEH Croft (WI) 1979-1979 2 2 21.0 1 71 6 3/29 11.83 3.38 21.0 0 0 N Kapil Dev (IND) 1983-1987 3 3 32.0 6 94 6 3/35 15.66 2.93 32.0 0 0 MA Holding (WI) 1979-1983 4 4 38.4 5 95 6 2/16 15.83 2.45 38.6 0 0 CJ McDermott (AUS) 1987-1987 2 2 20.0 1 95 6 5/44 15.83 4.75 20.0 0 1 EE Hemmings (ENG) 1987-1987 2 2 19.3 2 100 6 4/52 16.66 5.12 19.5 1 0 ST Jayasuriya (SL) 1996-1996 3 3 24.0 1 101 6 3/12 16.83 4.20 24.0 0 0 RA Harper (WI) 1996-1996 2 2 19.0 0 94 5 4/47 18.80 4.94 22.8 1 0 CM Old (ENG) 1975-1979 3 3 31.0 3 117 6 3/29 19.50 3.77 31.0 0 0 Mushtaq Ahmed (PAK) 1992-1996 3 3 30.0 1 137 7 3/41 19.57 4.56 25.7 0 0 J Garner (WI) 1979-1983 4 4 47.0 6 140 7 5/38 20.00 2.97 40.2 0 1 M Hendrick (ENG) 1979-1979 2 2 24.0 2 105 5 3/55 21.00 4.37 28.8 0 0 AME Roberts (WI) 1975-1983 6 6 62.2 14 194 9 3/32 21.55 3.11 41.5 0 0 SK Warne (AUS) 1996-1996 3 3 29.0 0 146 6 4/36 24.33 5.03 29.0 1 0 Wasim Akram (PAK) 1987-1992 3 3 30.0 0 143 5 3/49 28.60 4.76 36.0 0 0 Imran Khan (PAK) 1979-1992 5 4 35.2 2 181 5 3/36 36.20 5.12 42.4 0 0 IT Botham (ENG) 1979-1992 5 5 52.0 9 220 6 2/44 36.66 4.23 52.0 0 0 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, Frustrated said: SKY is a bigger fraud than Frauduja. 0,0,0 are his last 3 scores against Aus. He will be playing against the same team. Ande Pe Ande....to be contd.. Fraudeja is a legendary con running since 2009... Once in a billion years we see such things. Human civilization is fortunate to witness this. Dinosaurs were the last species that saw something like this SKY even in his 10 lives can't match him. Lord and Frustrated 2 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Of course he had a role to play, you're telling me the occasion & the stage didn't? And again it wasn't a win! How many KO games has Kuldeep played in comparison, also did you forget the 96 finals against SL? View overall figures [change view] Start of match date less than or equal to 31 Dec 1996 Trophy World Cup Match type tournament finals or tournament cons. finals or tournament semi-finals or tournament quarter-finals Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 5 Ordered by bowling average (ascending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 19 of 19 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 GJ Gilmour (AUS) 1975-1975 2 2 24.0 8 62 11 6/14 5.63 2.58 13.0 0 2 M Amarnath (IND) 1983-1983 2 2 19.0 1 39 5 3/12 7.80 2.05 22.8 0 0 MD Marshall (WI) 1983-1983 2 2 23.0 3 52 5 3/28 10.40 2.26 27.6 0 0 CEH Croft (WI) 1979-1979 2 2 21.0 1 71 6 3/29 11.83 3.38 21.0 0 0 N Kapil Dev (IND) 1983-1987 3 3 32.0 6 94 6 3/35 15.66 2.93 32.0 0 0 MA Holding (WI) 1979-1983 4 4 38.4 5 95 6 2/16 15.83 2.45 38.6 0 0 CJ McDermott (AUS) 1987-1987 2 2 20.0 1 95 6 5/44 15.83 4.75 20.0 0 1 EE Hemmings (ENG) 1987-1987 2 2 19.3 2 100 6 4/52 16.66 5.12 19.5 1 0 ST Jayasuriya (SL) 1996-1996 3 3 24.0 1 101 6 3/12 16.83 4.20 24.0 0 0 RA Harper (WI) 1996-1996 2 2 19.0 0 94 5 4/47 18.80 4.94 22.8 1 0 CM Old (ENG) 1975-1979 3 3 31.0 3 117 6 3/29 19.50 3.77 31.0 0 0 Mushtaq Ahmed (PAK) 1992-1996 3 3 30.0 1 137 7 3/41 19.57 4.56 25.7 0 0 J Garner (WI) 1979-1983 4 4 47.0 6 140 7 5/38 20.00 2.97 40.2 0 1 M Hendrick (ENG) 1979-1979 2 2 24.0 2 105 5 3/55 21.00 4.37 28.8 0 0 AME Roberts (WI) 1975-1983 6 6 62.2 14 194 9 3/32 21.55 3.11 41.5 0 0 SK Warne (AUS) 1996-1996 3 3 29.0 0 146 6 4/36 24.33 5.03 29.0 1 0 Wasim Akram (PAK) 1987-1992 3 3 30.0 0 143 5 3/49 28.60 4.76 36.0 0 0 Imran Khan (PAK) 1979-1992 5 4 35.2 2 181 5 3/36 36.20 5.12 42.4 0 0 IT Botham (ENG) 1979-1992 5 5 52.0 9 220 6 2/44 36.66 4.23 52.0 0 0 Are you seriously comparing Kuldeep with Shane warne? Give it a rest. In order to prove Kuldeep has same mental strength as Shane warne you are doing stat gymnastics while insulting one of the greatest spinner ever to play in cricketing history. I merely said that probably was one reason. I can't think of any other reason. Spinners don't get injured by bowling 10 overs. nitinbwj and rollingstoned 1 1 Link to comment
Downtown Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Frauds in the squad: Kohli, KL Rahul (see how he's gonna wilt under pressure with big teams), Sky, Ashwin, Thakur & Shami. The captain of the Fraud squad: Jadeja! I can't help but feel a bit frustrated about our team's prospects. It seems like they're more likely to test our patience than to pleasantly surprise us. With their inconsistent performances, it's leaving us in disbelief. And poor Rohit, our captain, might have a tough time if things don't turn around. So, let's hope for the best and keep our spirits high as we gear up for what might be a mentally challenging World Cup for us fans. nitinbwj 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, ipl is fun said: So they are resting Kuldeep so Aussie doesn't sort him out ??? Lot of these players played KY at Delhi. Also there are 8 other team for which KY needs to get into rythm I don't get why Tilak, Gaik even there? They should have used the 3rd ODI team for the first two also and rotated the players to give them playing time They have not given any reason. Just a theory. Link to comment
nitinbwj Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Abe gadho.. Atleast Kohli and Kuldeep should have played. I fear a phainta in the first 2 ODI's especially KL as captain. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: Are you seriously comparing Kuldeep with Shane warne? Give it a rest. In order to prove Kuldeep has same mental strength as Shane warne you are doing stat gymnastics while insulting one of the greatest spinner ever to play in cricketing history. I merely said that probably was one reason. I can't think of any other reason. Spinners don't get injured by bowling 10 overs. Yes I'm challenging your assertion, also based on stats in 99 WC, that Kuldeep is mentally weak, you have no leg to stand on when I've showed you Warne's stats against India & his stats prior to the WC 99 - sure Warne has achieved a lot more & would probably never be surpassed in our lifetimes but don't bring that BS of mental strength here! Someone competing against 600-700 million Indians then going to the place he has, after being dropped multiple times for Chahaal of all people, coming back strong, is not mentally weak. If he quit or didn't improve post 2019/20 you could make that argument but not as of now! Link to comment
nitinbwj Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Number said: Venues are Mohali, Raipur and Rajkot. Very high scoring venues in last 15 years. Marsh, Warner, Stoinis, Green Link to comment
nitinbwj Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Jadeja is the biggest liability in the team. He just can't bat. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Yes I'm challenging your assertion, also based on stats in 99 WC, that Kuldeep is mentally weak, you have no leg to stand on when I've showed you Warne's stats against India & his stats prior to the WC 99 - sure Warne has achieved a lot more & would probably never be surpassed in our lifetimes but don't bring that BS of mental strength here! Someone competing against 600-700 million Indians then going to the place he has, after being dropped multiple times for Chahaal of all people, coming back strong, is not mentally weak. If he quit or didn't improve post 2019/20 you could make that argument but not as of now! Why are you stuck with his stats against India like it is a breaking news. India was good against Warne because they were highly skilled not because he was mentally weak. Because batsmen were skilled. But Kuldeep on the other hand broke down after one over and Players had to call and console him. Even in our forum this was elaborately discussed. You sound like it never happened. rollingstoned 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 This is a topic of controversy only because Jadeja not living upto the true ODI all rounder tag. He is unable to finish big when situation demands. His strike rate is well below 60 in some cases. His bowling itself is not much to speak of. Tolerable 5th bowler at best. Then we can live with this additional spinner. For the record Sundar's record in the last year or so is better than Theekshana's. ER/SR/Avge wise. Sundar's lack of big hitting skill can be accepted. Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 2 hours ago, IndianRenegade said: I fail to understand the continued chances SKY is getting, its not like he can bowl 5 or 6 overs, & can do the finishers job. To me thats the only way he gets into the side. Ashwin's inclusion seems to suggest team isn't sure about Sundar, Sundar is a better bat than Ashwin bowling wise there isn't much between them in LOI. I would rather have Sundar than Ashwin in the field. This, this and this. Why can't SKY bowl part time spin (4-5 overs) and then offer to bat at 7. That's the perfect role for him. How is Rohit so dumb and stubborn ? If they are not sure of Tilak, just make SKY more useful by having him bowl a bit and add to the squad depth and combinations . He'll be more comfortable with death over hitting than building an innings in the middle. Most days, we will have to play 3 seamers and we only have 4 including shardul. We need the extra pacer. It's a LONG tournament and India are travelling for every match. How are we so sure that Bumrah's and Shami's fitness will hold up? Just ditch Jadeja and get the extra pacer in. If Axar ain't fit, get Washi in. Even in Chennai, playing 3 spinners is overrated as Australia showed earlier this year The spinners took 5/147. The seamers took 5/121. And playing premier spin allrounder at 7, weakened our batting so much after he had a stinker. He was 7 off 7 before getting out at 18 from 33. Basically, he took 26 balls to score his next 11 runs and got out in a very tight chase and destroyed any chance of winning. How can anyone complain about our bowlers not being able to bat when Shami smashed 14 off 10 that day. And this fraud was outscored by Bumrah in the Asia Cup and even Shardul was better. Even in Australia, Navdeep Saini was outhitting this fraud. 3rd spinner is overrated in ODI cricket unless it's a part timer, regardless of conditions. Especially when it's a fraud like Jadeja Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Ajit Agarkar said - "Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli have around forever. Hardik has been there and Kuldeep too. They got fair amount of cricket in Asia Cup. Guys need mental break and come the third game, our main players will play 3rd ODIs vs Australia". rollingstoned 1 Link to comment
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