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7 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Why did Ashwin hardly play any ODI cricket the last 6 years if they wanted him in 2023 WC? Baffling decision, gave a long rope to Sundar, now back him. And why waste so much time on Chahal? Indian selections haven't made any sense the last few years. 

 

I am not sure where everyone gets the idea Sundar can't bowl well. He has improved. In 2021/22  VH season he was the third highest wicket taker.  Highest wicket taker among spinners. 8 matches 16 wickets 17.93 avge 4.77 ER including a fifer. He didn't play 2022/23 season. IN Deoadar trophy he was one of the most economical spinner.  6 matches 8 wickets 4.09 ER, 26.12 avge. In each match he bowled a minimum 9 or 10 overs.

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23 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

So wickets of Kirsten, Gibbs, Kallis, Cronje didn't play a role in that win?

Of course he had a role to play, you're telling me the occasion & the stage didn't? And again it wasn't a win! How many KO games has Kuldeep played in comparison, also did you forget the 96 finals against SL?

 

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Start of match date less than or equal to 31 Dec 1996 
Trophy World Cup 
Match type tournament finals  or tournament cons. finals  or tournament semi-finals  or tournament quarter-finals 
Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 5 
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Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5  
GJ Gilmour (AUS) 1975-1975 2 2 24.0 8 62 11 6/14 5.63 2.58 13.0 0 2  
M Amarnath (IND) 1983-1983 2 2 19.0 1 39 5 3/12 7.80 2.05 22.8 0 0  
MD Marshall (WI) 1983-1983 2 2 23.0 3 52 5 3/28 10.40 2.26 27.6 0 0  
CEH Croft (WI) 1979-1979 2 2 21.0 1 71 6 3/29 11.83 3.38 21.0 0 0  
N Kapil Dev (IND) 1983-1987 3 3 32.0 6 94 6 3/35 15.66 2.93 32.0 0 0  
MA Holding (WI) 1979-1983 4 4 38.4 5 95 6 2/16 15.83 2.45 38.6 0 0  
CJ McDermott (AUS) 1987-1987 2 2 20.0 1 95 6 5/44 15.83 4.75 20.0 0 1  
EE Hemmings (ENG) 1987-1987 2 2 19.3 2 100 6 4/52 16.66 5.12 19.5 1 0  
ST Jayasuriya (SL) 1996-1996 3 3 24.0 1 101 6 3/12 16.83 4.20 24.0 0 0  
RA Harper (WI) 1996-1996 2 2 19.0 0 94 5 4/47 18.80 4.94 22.8 1 0  
CM Old (ENG) 1975-1979 3 3 31.0 3 117 6 3/29 19.50 3.77 31.0 0 0  
Mushtaq Ahmed (PAK) 1992-1996 3 3 30.0 1 137 7 3/41 19.57 4.56 25.7 0 0  
J Garner (WI) 1979-1983 4 4 47.0 6 140 7 5/38 20.00 2.97 40.2 0 1  
M Hendrick (ENG) 1979-1979 2 2 24.0 2 105 5 3/55 21.00 4.37 28.8 0 0  
AME Roberts (WI) 1975-1983 6 6 62.2 14 194 9 3/32 21.55 3.11 41.5 0 0  
SK Warne (AUS) 1996-1996 3 3 29.0 0 146 6 4/36 24.33 5.03 29.0 1 0  
Wasim Akram (PAK) 1987-1992 3 3 30.0 0 143 5 3/49 28.60 4.76 36.0 0 0  
Imran Khan (PAK) 1979-1992 5 4 35.2 2 181 5 3/36 36.20 5.12 42.4 0 0  
IT Botham (ENG) 1979-1992 5 5 52.0 9 220 6 2/44 36.66 4.23 52.0 0 0  
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22 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

SKY is a bigger fraud than Frauduja.  0,0,0 are his last 3 scores against Aus.  He will be playing against the same team.   Ande Pe Ande....to be contd..

 

Fraudeja is a legendary con running since 2009...  Once in a billion years we see such things.  Human civilization is fortunate to witness this.  Dinosaurs were the last species that saw something like this:hatsoff:

SKY even in his 10 lives can't match him. 

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11 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Of course he had a role to play, you're telling me the occasion & the stage didn't? And again it wasn't a win! How many KO games has Kuldeep played in comparison, also did you forget the 96 finals against SL?

 

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Start of match date less than or equal to 31 Dec 1996 
Trophy World Cup 
Match type tournament finals  or tournament cons. finals  or tournament semi-finals  or tournament quarter-finals 
Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 5 
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Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5  
GJ Gilmour (AUS) 1975-1975 2 2 24.0 8 62 11 6/14 5.63 2.58 13.0 0 2  
M Amarnath (IND) 1983-1983 2 2 19.0 1 39 5 3/12 7.80 2.05 22.8 0 0  
MD Marshall (WI) 1983-1983 2 2 23.0 3 52 5 3/28 10.40 2.26 27.6 0 0  
CEH Croft (WI) 1979-1979 2 2 21.0 1 71 6 3/29 11.83 3.38 21.0 0 0  
N Kapil Dev (IND) 1983-1987 3 3 32.0 6 94 6 3/35 15.66 2.93 32.0 0 0  
MA Holding (WI) 1979-1983 4 4 38.4 5 95 6 2/16 15.83 2.45 38.6 0 0  
CJ McDermott (AUS) 1987-1987 2 2 20.0 1 95 6 5/44 15.83 4.75 20.0 0 1  
EE Hemmings (ENG) 1987-1987 2 2 19.3 2 100 6 4/52 16.66 5.12 19.5 1 0  
ST Jayasuriya (SL) 1996-1996 3 3 24.0 1 101 6 3/12 16.83 4.20 24.0 0 0  
RA Harper (WI) 1996-1996 2 2 19.0 0 94 5 4/47 18.80 4.94 22.8 1 0  
CM Old (ENG) 1975-1979 3 3 31.0 3 117 6 3/29 19.50 3.77 31.0 0 0  
Mushtaq Ahmed (PAK) 1992-1996 3 3 30.0 1 137 7 3/41 19.57 4.56 25.7 0 0  
J Garner (WI) 1979-1983 4 4 47.0 6 140 7 5/38 20.00 2.97 40.2 0 1  
M Hendrick (ENG) 1979-1979 2 2 24.0 2 105 5 3/55 21.00 4.37 28.8 0 0  
AME Roberts (WI) 1975-1983 6 6 62.2 14 194 9 3/32 21.55 3.11 41.5 0 0  
SK Warne (AUS) 1996-1996 3 3 29.0 0 146 6 4/36 24.33 5.03 29.0 1 0  
Wasim Akram (PAK) 1987-1992 3 3 30.0 0 143 5 3/49 28.60 4.76 36.0 0 0  
Imran Khan (PAK) 1979-1992 5 4 35.2 2 181 5 3/36 36.20 5.12 42.4 0 0  
IT Botham (ENG) 1979-1992 5 5 52.0 9 220 6 2/44 36.66 4.23 52.0 0 0  

 

Are you seriously comparing Kuldeep with Shane warne? Give it a rest. In order to prove Kuldeep has same mental strength as Shane warne you are doing stat gymnastics while insulting one of the greatest spinner ever to play in cricketing history.  I merely said that probably was one reason. I can't think of any other reason. Spinners don't get injured by bowling 10 overs.

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Frauds in the squad: Kohli, KL Rahul (see how he's gonna wilt under pressure with big teams), Sky, Ashwin, Thakur & Shami. 
The captain of the Fraud squad: Jadeja! 

I can't help but feel a bit frustrated about our team's prospects. It seems like they're more likely to test our patience than to pleasantly surprise us. With their inconsistent performances, it's leaving us in disbelief. And poor Rohit, our captain, might have a tough time if things don't turn around. So, let's hope for the best and keep our spirits high as we gear up for what might be a mentally challenging World Cup for us fans. 

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21 minutes ago, ipl is fun said:

So they are resting Kuldeep so Aussie doesn't sort him out ???
Lot of these players played KY at Delhi. Also there are 8 other team for which KY needs to get into rythm

I don't get why Tilak, Gaik even there?

They should have used the 3rd ODI team for the first two also and rotated the players to give them playing time

 

They have not given any reason. Just a theory.

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1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Are you seriously comparing Kuldeep with Shane warne? Give it a rest. In order to prove Kuldeep has same mental strength as Shane warne you are doing stat gymnastics while insulting one of the greatest spinner ever to play in cricketing history.  I merely said that probably was one reason. I can't think of any other reason. Spinners don't get injured by bowling 10 overs.

Yes I'm challenging your assertion, also based on stats in 99 WC, that Kuldeep is mentally weak, you have no leg to stand on when I've showed you Warne's stats against India & his stats prior to the WC 99 - sure Warne has achieved a lot more & would probably never be surpassed in our lifetimes but don't bring that BS of mental strength here! Someone competing against 600-700 million Indians then going to the place he has, after being dropped multiple times for Chahaal of all people, coming back strong, is not mentally weak. If he quit or didn't improve post 2019/20 you could make that argument but not as of now!

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18 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Yes I'm challenging your assertion, also based on stats in 99 WC, that Kuldeep is mentally weak, you have no leg to stand on when I've showed you Warne's stats against India & his stats prior to the WC 99 - sure Warne has achieved a lot more & would probably never be surpassed in our lifetimes but don't bring that BS of mental strength here! Someone competing against 600-700 million Indians then going to the place he has, after being dropped multiple times for Chahaal of all people, coming back strong, is not mentally weak. If he quit or didn't improve post 2019/20 you could make that argument but not as of now!

 

Why are you stuck with his stats against India like it is a breaking news. India was good against Warne because they were highly skilled not because he was mentally weak.  Because batsmen were skilled. But Kuldeep on the other hand broke down after one over and Players had to call and console him. Even in our forum this was elaborately discussed. You sound like it never happened.

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This is a topic of controversy only because Jadeja not living upto the true ODI all rounder tag. He is unable to finish big when situation demands. His strike rate is well below 60 in some cases.  His bowling itself is not much to speak of. Tolerable 5th bowler at best.  Then we can live with this additional spinner. For the record Sundar's record in the last year or so is better than Theekshana's. ER/SR/Avge wise.  Sundar's lack of big hitting skill can be accepted.

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2 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

I fail to understand the continued chances SKY is getting, its not like he can bowl 5 or 6 overs, & can do the finishers job. To me thats the only way he gets into the side.

 

Ashwin's inclusion seems to suggest team isn't sure about Sundar,  Sundar is a better bat than Ashwin bowling wise there isn't much between them in LOI. I would rather have Sundar than Ashwin in the field. 

This, this and this. Why can't SKY bowl part time spin (4-5 overs) and then offer to bat at 7.  

 

That's the perfect role for him. How is Rohit so dumb and stubborn ?   

 

If they are not sure of Tilak, just make SKY more useful by having him bowl a bit and add to the squad depth and combinations .

 

He'll be more comfortable with death over hitting than building an innings in the middle.

 

Most days, we will have to play 3 seamers and we only have 4 including shardul.  We need the extra pacer. It's a LONG tournament and India are travelling for every match.  How are we so sure that Bumrah's and Shami's fitness will hold up?  

 

Just ditch Jadeja and get the extra pacer in.  If Axar ain't fit, get Washi in.

 

Even in Chennai, playing 3 spinners is overrated as Australia showed earlier this year

 

The spinners took 5/147.   The seamers took 5/121.

 

And playing premier spin allrounder at 7, weakened our batting so much after he had a stinker. He was 7 off 7 before getting out at 18 from 33. Basically, he took 26 balls to score his next 11 runs and got out in a very tight chase and destroyed any chance of winning. 

 

How can anyone complain about our bowlers not being able to bat when Shami smashed 14 off 10 that day.

 

And this fraud was outscored by Bumrah in the Asia Cup and even Shardul was better. Even in Australia, Navdeep Saini was outhitting this fraud. 

 

3rd spinner is overrated in ODI cricket unless it's a part timer, regardless of conditions. Especially when it's a fraud like Jadeja 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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