Canada expels Indian diplomat; Indian government agents behind killing of Sikh leader - Trudeau

[ravishingravi]

 

[randomGuy]

^^ He blamed it on Trudeau 

[diga]

52 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Seems like the last para says it all 

[G_B_]

Keep saying suspend oci from cannada. Let those that want to come reapply for visa. E visa process is not painful either.

[mishra]

20 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

Keep saying suspend oci from cannada. Let those that want to come reapply for visa. E visa process is not painful either.

We can not punish hundreds of thousands of Canadian OCI holders for few Violent Khalistanis who probably count in few thousand only.

Its geo politics. Again my guess is US is using its poodle Canada to enforce some of its will (most likely re open indirect arms Supply route to Ukraine which got stopped after Russians told Indians that arms bought by West from India is going to Ukraine.

 

i have a feeling that Ukraines Prokovost is about to fall in Russian hand which effectively means absolute cutoff of supply route to a lot of Ukrainian borders

 

 

[ravishingravi]

1 minute ago, mishra said:

We can not punish hundreds of thousands of Canadian OCI holders for few Violent Khalistanis who probably count in few thousand only.

Its geo politics. Again my guess is US is using its poodle Canada to enforce some of its will (most likely re open indirect arms Supply route to Ukraine which got stopped after Russians told Indians that arms bought by West from India is going to Ukraine.

 

i have a feeling that Ukraines Prokovost is about to fall in Russian hand which effectively means absolute cutoff of supply route to a lot of Ukrainian borders

 

 

 

Their OCI is not more important than India's national security. When you choose to take up citizenship of another country, you are not longer responsibility of Indian govt. OCI is privilege and not a right. 

[Number]

Did anyone see when a reporter asked Trudeau that what he has to say on his own liberal party's MPs demanding his resignation.

He replied Canadians should focus on this issue for now and ran away. 

Edited October 15, 2024 by Number

[zen]

23 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Their OCI is not more important than India's national security. When you choose to take up citizenship of another country, you are not longer responsibility of Indian govt. OCI is privilege and not a right. 

 

Pak is a threat, BD is a threat, SL is a threat, OCI is a threat, North is a threat, South is a threat, Muslims are a threat (send them to Pak), East is a threat, X person if he becomes the President of USA is a threat, …

 

If everything around something is a problem, the problem is that something. 

 

(It is likely that India is going to break up in the next 100 years). 

 

[mishra]

39 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Their OCI is not more important than India's national security. When you choose to take up citizenship of another country, you are not longer responsibility of Indian govt. OCI is privilege and not a right. 

That part is absolutely correct. But Indians overseas should have the confidence that GoI has its back to the level it can afford. And GoI has to deal geopolitical issue geopolitically and NOT be trigger happy punishing OCI holders. Identify and punish those individuals who are in cahoots with Canada

[ravishingravi]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Pak is a threat, BD is a threat, SL is a threat, OCI is a threat, North is a threat, South is a threat, Muslims are a threat (send them to Pak), East is a threat, X person if he becomes the President of USA is a threat, …

 

If everything around something is a problem, the problem is that something. 

 

(It is likely that India is going to break up in the next 100 years). 

 

 

Indeed.

[zen]

8 minutes ago, mishra said:

That part is absolutely correct. But Indians overseas should have the confidence that GoI has its back to the level it can afford. And GoI has to deal geopolitical issue geopolitically and NOT be trigger happy punishing OCI holders. Identify and punish those individuals who are in cahoots with Canada

We are now living in a world of dual citizenships. India could move in that direction as well in future. 

India does not have a mindset to punish (or even help as we saw in case of BD Hindus) anyone anywhere. Ironically, it can only punish an OCI if that person comes to India. 

 

[zen]

I have travelled the world over (not in a literal sense) and most do not care for India (unless you are a multimillionaire). 
 

It is India that appears to be delusional about itself (Much like Pakistan believing itself to be an Islamic powerhouse  - we have nukes too. I used to listen to their talk shows and go like “what?”. Similar case in India too).

 

I don’t know why countries like Canada are wasting their time on the Khalistanis (vote bank politics).

 

Edited October 15, 2024 by zen

[mishra]

6 minutes ago, zen said:

We are now living in a world of dual citizenships. India could move in that direction as well in future. 

India does not have a mindset to punish (or even help as we saw in case of BD Hindus) anyone anywhere. Ironically, it can only punish an OCI if that person comes to India. 

 

I undertsand where you are coming from, And I have had many discussions on it with people who understand fine prints. Earlier it was PIO. Now GoI can afford OCI. The reason for OCI and not dual citizenship is because India being a developing nation has to have a capabilty to pull the plug against a Individual without him having access to Indian legal system. So Mr Pannu can file a case in Newyork district Court against GoI but he cant do the same in Jalandhar while at the same time goI can speak on behalf of Zens community claiming they are their Overseas Citizens

[zen]

16 minutes ago, mishra said:

I undertsand where you are coming from, And I have had many discussions on it with people who understand fine prints. Earlier it was PIO. Now GoI can afford OCI. The reason for OCI and not dual citizenship is because India being a developing nation has to have a capabilty to pull the plug against a Individual without him having access to Indian legal system. So Mr Pannu can file a case in Newyork district Court against GoI but he cant do the same in Jalandhar while at the same time goI can speak on behalf of Zens community claiming they are their Overseas Citizens

Generally, only people of Indian origin care about India due to their roots and connections. 
 

If tomorrow, India vanishes from the face of the earth, hardly anyone would notice in a few years. The cheap labor would be accessed from other countries. 

 

Edited October 15, 2024 by zen

[mishra]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

Only people of Indian origin care about India due to their roots and connections. 

If tomorrow, whole India vanishes from the face of the earth, hardly anyone would notice in a few years. The cheap labor would be accessed from other countries. 

 

True. Thats the plan. Problem is India doesnt have resousorces. So you can educate them to a level same as you or even more , but still ensure they are on your side when you exploit resources from rest pof world.

 

But If rest of world gets educated, They might question or even stop exploitation of their own resources. Risk is very High . Example Resources from Middle East, Africa vs Russia

Edited October 15, 2024 by mishra

[G_B_]

See even with oci there needs to be an interim step whereby you enter a form stating your not part of any anti India activities. Can't just let people in. In the upa time there are several with links to Pakistan who got oci no question.

 

Don't let people just come in. I have an oci btw. This whole don't penalise the average person is very selfish of those staying abroad. I love India enough to fill out a virtual form. Applications exist in which pics and identity can be confirmed via webcam or smartphone camera.

 

 

Pre 9/11 you could basically bring anything on board a flight.

Post 9/11 in the west you have through jump through hoops at airport security. We all know a particular group which resulted in this inconvenience. Yet we go through it.

 

It is time to identity gurdwara mosques and even hindu temples actively parroting against the Indian cause and blacklist it's verifiable membership. Too many times congregation donations are utilised in anti india activities without explicit consent of those that donate.

 

 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, mishra said:

True. Thats the plan. Problem is India oesnt have resousorces. So you can educate them to a level same as you or even more to ensure they are on your side when you exploit resources from rest pof world.

 

But If rest of world gets educated, They might question or even stop exploitation of the resources. Risk is very High . Example Resources from Middle East, Africa vs Russia

Coming back to GOI (not about political parties), it does nothing much for even Hindus like in BD.
 

The motto appears to be - chest thump when nothing is at state, hide behind an excuse (lack of resources, threat, international relations, and so on, when an action is required). 

 

[G_B_]

18 minutes ago, zen said:

Generally, only people of Indian origin care about India due to their roots and connections. 
 

If tomorrow, India vanishes from the face of the earth, hardly anyone would notice in a few years. The cheap labor would be accessed from other countries. 

 

That can be said of most of the developing world.

 

 

 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

See even with oci there needs to be an interim step whereby you enter a form stating your not part of any anti India activities. Can't just let people in. In the upa time there are several with links to Pakistan who got oci no question.

 

Don't let people just come in. I have an oci btw. This whole don't penalise the average person is very selfish of those staying abroad. I love India enough to fill out a virtual form. Applications exist in which pics and identity can be confirmed via webcam or smartphone camera.

 

 

Pre 9/11 you could basically bring anything on board a flight.

Post 9/11 in the west you have through jump through hoops at airport security. We all know a particular group which resulted in this inconvenience. Yet we go through it.

 

It is time to identity gurdwara mosques and even hindu temples actively parroting against the Indian cause and blacklist it's verifiable membership. Too many times congregation donations are utilised in anti india activities without explicit consent of those that donate.

 

 

What is needed is better way to screen people entering India. A criminal can enter India on visa too (or even without visa). An OCI or a person with visa can be blocked from entering if the screening system is good. 
 

All this do this or that usually impacts common people who are just minding their business. Those who want to commit a crime find a way to do it.

 

Has changing currency stopped corruption? It has only increased esp. at the higher level.
 

Should the west stop inviting people from India based on how few Indian behave? 
 

 

[coffee_rules]

India has to take care of its own interests. If Pakistan is a haven for terrorists then they are a threat to Indian sovereignty. India is well within its rights to take action. USA went and killed OBL in Pakistan. India has done no such thing. But at least call out that Kanneda is homing terrorists and it will not tolerate. In  1980s Kanneda hosted terrorists who killed Indians and even Canadians. Such thickheads are these father-son PM duo. The senior Trudeau was even more of a birdbrain. His official reason that why he will not extradite  Khali terrorists is that India doesn’t respect the Queen!!

 

Even average Canadians can understand the point of India.