How many of the remaining 4 "big " matches is India likely to lose at the league stage ? And to whom ?

[rangeelaraja]

4 big matches remain :  Eng, NZ, RSA, Pak.

 

I think we might just come up short against Eng and RSA this time.

 

It would be good for the bank players to get the law of averages out of the way and save some runs for the 2 knockouts.

 

Interestingly even in 2011, when the team was red hot and the WC format was differerent- we did not win 2 games in the league stage - tied against Eng and lost to RSA.

 

* Fingers crossed * 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by rangeelaraja

[Nikhil_cric]

NZ. Why the hell would anyone schedule a match at Dharamshala against them? 

[ravishingravi]

It would be good to lose or two before the next round. 

[Serpico]

RSA

[mani sha]

England and New Zealand - we will loose one of these . Likely england . 
 

gill needs to get fit though . Game time v important prior to the semis . 
 

personally I hope we win all so that we are guranteed a semi spot and bumrah , siraj and kuldeep get a break . It’s a long World Cup and keeping our bowlers injury free is v v important

[rangeelaraja]

38 minutes ago, mani sha said:

England and New Zealand - we will loose one of these . Likely england . 
 

gill needs to get fit though . Game time v important prior to the semis . 
 

personally I hope we win all so that we are guranteed a semi spot and bumrah , siraj and kuldeep get a break . It’s a long World Cup and keeping our bowlers injury free is v v important

 

 

I think Gill maybe back only after the Pak game -given how long this tourney is.

 

He may be drafted against one of the lesser teams after the Pak game, to give him alot of game time and prime him up for the business end of the tournament.

[Majestic]

England and New Zealand probably.

 

As for South Africa, let's see if this side has something special which the previous ones didn't had. 

[LehraDo]

Barring Netherlands, any team can beat any opposition this WC.

 

Had it been WI instead of Netherlands, it would have been a much better WC

[nitinbwj]

Haha... We are not losing to SA and Eng. I'm still not sure of NZ. 

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

4 big matches remain :  Eng, NZ, RSA, Pak.

 

I think we might just come up short against Eng and RSA this time.

 

It would be good for the bank players to get the law of averages out of the way and save some runs for the 2 knockouts.

 

Interestingly even in 2011, when the team was red hot and the WC format was differerent- we did not win 2 games in the league stage - tied against Eng and lost to RSA.

 

* Fingers crossed * 

 

 

We will win vs eng IMO; their lineup is looking oddly unsettled for now. SA can go either way; if pitch has something for bowlers, we will win.

 

as for NZ, I see us losing comfortably. and Pak - we will find a way to choke vs them

[Adamant]

Nz match is in Dharamshala, lol. 

 

Perfect recipe for disaster 

[kubrickian]

I feel all 3 games against NZ, Eng, SA chances are 50 50. Most of NZ and SA players have experience in Indian conditions because of IPL. England is a good side because they bat deep.

 

The game against NZ especially could be a tricky one as its in Dharamsala and if we bat under lights, it could swing and Southee, Henry and Boult could be a handful.  They also have wood over us in World Cup tournaments. 

[R!TTER]

3 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

The game against NZ especially could be a tricky one as its in Dharamsala and if we bat under lights, it could swing and Southee, Henry and Boult could be a handful.  They also have wood over us in World Cup tournaments. 

Why is it tricky? On current form our bowlers are in much better form than NZ pacers, also what's the record of NZ quickies in India? Can anyone point that out 

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Host country India

Grouped by opposition team

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Opposition	Players	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
v Kenya	11	2011-2011	1	5	23.5	2	62	10	4/16	6.20	2.60	14.3	1	0
v South Africa	11	2006-2006	1	5	34.1	2	103	10	3/11	10.30	3.01	20.5	0	0
v Netherlands	22	1996-2023	2	14	96.3	5	402	15	5/59	26.80	4.16	38.6	0	1
v Pakistan	20	1997-2006	2	12	96.3	4	479	17	4/43	28.17	4.96	34.0	1	0
v West Indies	12	1994-1994	2	12	89.1	10	407	14	5/22	29.07	4.56	38.2	0	1
v England	22	1996-2023	2	13	100.0	4	505	17	3/26	29.70	5.05	35.2	0	0
v Zimbabwe	23	1987-2011	3	18	146.0	17	610	18	3/29	33.88	4.17	48.6	0	0
v Sri Lanka	28	1997-2011	3	20	134.3	3	629	18	3/43	34.94	4.67	44.8	0	0
v Australia	43	1987-2011	8	46	328.2	15	1723	41	4/30	42.02	5.24	48.0	2	0
v India	87	1987-2023	38	231	1673.4	58	9121	187	4/35	48.77	5.44	53.7	2	0

[kubrickian]

4 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Why is it tricky? On current form our bowlers are in much better form than NZ pacers, also what's the record of NZ quickies in India? Can anyone point that out 

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Opposition	Players	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
v Kenya	11	2011-2011	1	5	23.5	2	62	10	4/16	6.20	2.60	14.3	1	0
v South Africa	11	2006-2006	1	5	34.1	2	103	10	3/11	10.30	3.01	20.5	0	0
v Netherlands	22	1996-2023	2	14	96.3	5	402	15	5/59	26.80	4.16	38.6	0	1
v Pakistan	20	1997-2006	2	12	96.3	4	479	17	4/43	28.17	4.96	34.0	1	0
v West Indies	12	1994-1994	2	12	89.1	10	407	14	5/22	29.07	4.56	38.2	0	1
v England	22	1996-2023	2	13	100.0	4	505	17	3/26	29.70	5.05	35.2	0	0
v Zimbabwe	23	1987-2011	3	18	146.0	17	610	18	3/29	33.88	4.17	48.6	0	0
v Sri Lanka	28	1997-2011	3	20	134.3	3	629	18	3/43	34.94	4.67	44.8	0	0
v Australia	43	1987-2011	8	46	328.2	15	1723	41	4/30	42.02	5.24	48.0	2	0
v India	87	1987-2023	38	231	1673.4	58	9121	187	4/35	48.77	5.44	53.7	2	0

The conditions matter. 

[R!TTER]

And if you remember that Dharamshala test match where we won against stronger opposition, Oz in 2017, that was on the back of spinners as well. There's no ground in India where NZ bowlers could decisively out bowl us, they just don't have the quality IMO but Oz or SA does, Pak if they're in great rhythm.

[Vijy]

8 hours ago, Adamant said:

Nz match is in Dharamshala, lol. 

 

Perfect recipe for disaster 

10/3 and 50/5 loading. expecting all top order to fail, maybe barring virat, but even he has a tendency to poke at balls outside off