Gill, Rahul and SKY - the big match knockout failures

[Majestic]

It's been a trend now and these guys have been part of multiple knockouts with nothing useful to show up for.

 

Shubman Gill:-

 

WTC 2021 Final - 28 & 8

WTC 2023 Final - 13 & 18

ODI WC 2023 Final - 4

 

KL Rahul:-

 

ODI WC 2019 Semis - 1

WT20 2021 - 3 & 18

WT20 2022 semis - 5

ODI WC 2023 final - 66(106)

 

SKY :-

 

WT20 2021 vs Pak - 11

WT20 2022 vs Eng - 14

ODI WC 2023 - 18

 

The only match these guys have performed in knockouts was the semi final vs NZ which was on a flat belter. High time action needs to be taken on these big match failure players and they are not young having participated in multiple finals already.

 

[SRT100]

2 minutes ago, Majestic said:

It's been a trend now and these guys have been part of multiple knockouts with nothing useful to show up for.

 

Shubman Gill:-

 

WTC 2021 Final - 28 & 8

WTC 2023 Final - 13 & 18

ODI WC 2023 Final - 4

 

KL Rahul:-

 

ODI WC 2019 Semis - 1

WT20 2021 - 3 & 18

WT20 2022 semis - 5

ODI WC 2023 final - 66(106)

 

SKY :-

 

WT20 2021 vs Pak - 11

WT20 2022 vs Eng - 14

ODI WC 2023 - 18

 

The only match these guys have performed in knockouts was the semi final vs NZ which was on a flat belter. High time action needs to be taken on these big match failure players and they are not young having participated in multiple finals already.

 

 

KL's 66 is a massive failure in an ODI Final with that SR.

Australian tactics would have been happy to have him batting like that too.

 

Its a huge body of evidence you have provided that clearly demonstrates these players do not have the mental strength to play a Final.

[Ultimate_Game]

Yup, none of our batsmen showed up. Wish we had someone like Gambhir, or peak Dhoni (2007-2013 vintage) lower down the order. Today, the only batsman who showed up was Rohit.

[Frustrated]

Gill is young.  So, not being too harsh on him.   But, for the record, his batting has been a complete disaster when it comes to finals (all formats being considered).  Be it WTC Final 2021 where he failed in both innings or be it WTC2023 Final.   Rinse & Repeat of that last night as well.   (While Aus players hv the ability & courage to step up big time in Finals, Gill is the exact opposite.)

Edited November 20, 2023 by Frustrated

[coffee_rules]

What about Iyer, Shami, Siraj, Kuldeep, Kohli and finally RJS , Jadeja? We lost one match on a bad innings

[Bigg Brother]

Add Iyer,too. He was there in WTC Final 2023,too. Kohli - Rohit also did nothing there . No point of blaming it on few players, it was complete failure from our batting unit which never turns up, be it chasing small targets or setting up Targets which can just kill the match there and there only. Just not good enough.

[Lord]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

What about Iyer, Shami, Siraj, Kuldeep, Kohli and finally RJS , Jadeja? We lost one match on a bad innings

 

Kohli did fine.

[Suhaan]

Kela saved his absolute best for the Final

He was the one who put pressure on Koolie and others

Gill was borderline dud this WC

He needs to come out of his chikna herogiri ,his dreamgirl would kick his tool for his cuckiness oneday

[sensible-indian]

You cant win a tournament with so many chokers.

[coffee_rules]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Kohli did fine.

Why does he get a clean chit? He did fine along with Rohit. When Iyer got out, he was 24(22 with 4 boundaries ). was the set batsmen when KL came in and he should have led the charge with a positive body language. He was meek and He just shut shop then, stopped taking boundaries and risks and made 30 (41)  running 28 singles and 1(2). He gave up batting along with meek KL. . The lack of boundaries hurt us badly

[Majestic]

7 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

What about Iyer, Shami, Siraj, Kuldeep, Kohli and finally RJS , Jadeja? We lost one match on a bad innings

Yes Siraj, Iyer, Jadeja and Kuldeep also choked. But my point is more with respect to guys who have played multiple knockouts and have nothing to show up.

 

Someone playing his first knockout can be given a slight leeway but continuously failing like Gill after being hailed as the next biggest thing is just ridiculous.

[coffee_rules]

11 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Yes Siraj, Iyer, Jadeja and Kuldeep also choked. But my point is more with respect to guys who have played multiple knockouts and have nothing to show up.

 

Someone playing his first knockout can be given a slight leeway but continuously failing like Gill after being hailed as the next biggest thing is just ridiculous.

Ok, agree. KL is a serial KO choker in all three formats. 

[Frustrated]

6 hours ago, Bigg Brother said:

Add Iyer,too. He was there in WTC Final 2023,too. Kohli - Rohit also did nothing there. 

Iyer did not play WTC Final 2023

[Ultimate_Game]

27 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Yes Siraj, Iyer, Jadeja and Kuldeep also choked. But my point is more with respect to guys who have played multiple knockouts and have nothing to show up.

 

Someone playing his first knockout can be given a slight leeway but continuously failing like Gill after being hailed as the next biggest thing is just ridiculous.

 

Siraj and Kuldeep are mentally fragile. I doubt we can depend on them in high pressure knockout games. Jadeja is simply not good enough as we've seen over the last 15 years with not even a single match winning performance with the bat. It's sad to think he bats at the position where Raina used to bat 

[bowl_out]

Gill, Iyer and Rahul need to pull up their socks and start doing well in big games. SKY needs to be shown the door for Internationals.. If at all, play him in T20s, but no other format.

[Nash]

Rahul's knock was the reason why we never had 270+ score. he could have done better job. Kohli was unlucky to get out at wrong time. Rohit's shot selection was in question. He already had two boundary. Just take a single, the pitch was not belter either. 

Gill had good knocks in finals U19 and he can do better in future.

SKY has to go out from ODI. he is T20 only person. 

Iyer : I amnot sure about him. He shows some good knocks then followed with evently bad one.

Pandya is plastic doll, he onlyneeds to play IPL. I am not in favour of him having ODI. He can be in T20 if he wants.

Rohit should retired asap from ODI and T20.

Kohli should retire from ODI and T20..

Call samson, one all rounder from ground level not IPL, there are couple of good openers to replace rohit. Gill should play at no 3 . bowling department is still good. Spinners are not there much but I am hoping to get couple of spinners from domestic circut to do well. 

 

Test : I really dont care who plays. 

[vvvslaxman]

oh wait SKY didn't do well in small matches either in ODI.

[vvvslaxman]

14 minutes ago, Nash said:

Rahul's knock was the reason why we never had 270+ score. he could have done better job. Kohli was unlucky to get out at wrong time. Rohit's shot selection was in question. He already had two boundary. Just take a single, the pitch was not belter either. 

Gill had good knocks in finals U19 and he can do better in future.

SKY has to go out from ODI. he is T20 only person. 

Iyer : I amnot sure about him. He shows some good knocks then followed with evently bad one.

Pandya is plastic doll, he onlyneeds to play IPL. I am not in favour of him having ODI. He can be in T20 if he wants.

Rohit should retired asap from ODI and T20.

Kohli should retire from ODI and T20..

Call samson, one all rounder from ground level not IPL, there are couple of good openers to replace rohit. Gill should play at no 3 . bowling department is still good. Spinners are not there much but I am hoping to get couple of spinners from domestic circut to do well. 

 

Test : I really dont care who plays. 

 

Gill and Iyer i will back them. Gill is not a wuss for all his failures. He has time on his hand to come back. But the problem is not personnel. Problem is the captain with a midas touch. Good captain would turn an average team into a world beating side. Australian bowling was distinctly average all through the world cup. But come the world cup final. They had tactic in place. Read the pitch well. Analyzed the batsmen better. Just bowled what they liked the least. Slow into the pitch. India was going nowhere. India couldn't even replicate that Australia did. Slow bouncer on a slow pitch. Instead fast bouncers just sat up. These are all tactical superiority of SENA teams. MSD is the only one who has had won tactically over SENA teams like packing 6 on the bigger side have the bowler specific line and length. It just doesn't come naturally to others.

[bowl_out]

16 minutes ago, Nash said:

Rahul's knock was the reason why we never had 270+ score. he could have done better job. Kohli was unlucky to get out at wrong time. Rohit's shot selection was in question. He already had two boundary. Just take a single, the pitch was not belter either. 

Gill had good knocks in finals U19 and he can do better in future.

SKY has to go out from ODI. he is T20 only person. 

Iyer : I am not sure about him. He shows some good knocks then followed with evently bad one.

Pandya is plastic doll, he onlyneeds to play IPL. I am not in favour of him having ODI. He can be in T20 if he wants.

Rohit should retired asap from ODI and T20.

Kohli should retire from ODI and T20..

Call samson, one all rounder from ground level not IPL, there are couple of good openers to replace rohit. Gill should play at no 3 . bowling department is still good. Spinners are not there much but I am hoping to get couple of spinners from domestic circut to do well. 

 

Test : I really dont care who plays. 

 

Agree on Rahul and Gill. They should be around, they are the core for the next WC

Iyer will do well. He got a really good ball.

 

I don't mind Rohit captaining for next T20 WC, but should go after that.

 

Samson should be the scheme of things in T20s for sure.. ODIs debatable, but should be tried.

 

Sai Sudarshan and Tilak Verma should be roped in for ODIs

 

Would like to see Sai Kishore in the mix.. Jadeja needs to focus on Tests only

[Nash]

12 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Gill and Iyer i will back them. Gill is not a wuss for all his failures. He has time on his hand to come back. But the problem is not personnel. Problem is the captain with a midas touch. Good captain would turn an average team into a world beating side. Australian bowling was distinctly average all through the world cup. But come the world cup final. They had tactic in place. Read the pitch well. Analyzed the batsmen better. Just bowled what they liked the least. Slow into the pitch. India was going nowhere. India couldn't even replicate that Australia did. Slow bouncer on a slow pitch. Instead fast bouncers just sat up. These are all tactical superiority of SENA teams. MSD is the only one who has had won tactically over SENA teams like packing 6 on the bigger side have the bowler specific line and length. It just doesn't come naturally to others.

It reminds me Brazil vs Germany final. When Germany scored 6 goals in now time with superial tactices and Brazil with all natural talent were not even had ball 70% of time. I dont remmeber the year but it was epic panty.