'What does Ashwin bring with the bat, or as a fielder?': Yuvraj says India spinner 'doesn't deserve' to play ODIs, T20Is

[Bigg Brother]

His selection in both wt20 2021,2022 and wc 2023 was statement of incompetence and lack of vision by our selectors,coach and captain as well. He was rightly discarded for white ball after 2017 CT final fiasco. Same thing they are doing with Rohit-Kohli now. Will continue till 2027 and stretch our mediocre run at ICC tournaments. 

[coffee_rules]

48 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

How is it TINA if Sundar was there? What factor caused him to play WT20 2022.

I'd select a batsman first who can bowl bit of finger spin. Someone like Tilak,Parag,Jaiswal. No. 7 should be batting AR but only possible if there 2 more bowling options in top 6

Sundar was injured during wT20 22,  And Ashwin is a better spinner than Sundar for ODIs. TINA. For ODIs, the best bet would be to select a #5/#6 batsman who can bowl spin like Yuvrj/Raina did. But, who did Rahul Dravid prepare for WC ODIs for that role? Bad TM as usual. 

[Lord]

44 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Sundar was injured during wT20 22,  And Ashwin is a better spinner than Sundar for ODIs. TINA. For ODIs, the best bet would be to select a #5/#6 batsman who can bowl spin like Yuvrj/Raina did. But, who did Rahul Dravid prepare for WC ODIs for that role? Bad TM as usual. 

 

Sundar has been doing well in ODIs too. Better option than Ashwin even there.

 

They could have picked Tilak but before that there was no one. One of top 5 had to bowl and  all are prima donnas

[Nikhil_cric]

48 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Sundar was injured during wT20 22,  And Ashwin is a better spinner than Sundar for ODIs. TINA. For ODIs, the best bet would be to select a #5/#6 batsman who can bowl spin like Yuvrj/Raina did. But, who did Rahul Dravid prepare for WC ODIs for that role? Bad TM as usual. 

World Cup preparation is a 4 year thing. Dravid barely had 2 years.

 

It's not something specific to this TM . 

 

Previous TM did not know who #4 was until the last day before 2019 WC , didn't prepare a reserve wk/bat for a well past it Dhoni and did not have enough seamers in a World Cup squad in England. 

 

Neither Kohli nor Rohit believe in batting allrounders . They mocked that concept for years and always went bowling heavy. 

 

Got their backsides handed to them by a team that played multiple batting allrounders.

 

Don't think Dravid had much say in that. 

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Still he was selected above Sundar. Ashwin PR is massive. Played 2022 WT20 too. Might play this year WT20 too.

 

Sundar was injured from what i recall. Also in Indian conditions Ashwin is clearly a better purely as a bowler. Besides he hardly played any match in the world cup. Yuvraj being salty has nothing to do with that lol It purely personal grudge. He had no word about SKY who repeatedly failed in ODIs

[Lord]

17 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Sundar was injured from what i recall. Also in Indian conditions Ashwin is clearly a better purely as a bowler. Besides he hardly played any match in the world cup. Yuvraj being salty has nothing to do with that lol It purely personal grudge. He had no word about SKY who repeatedly failed in ODIs

 

How is Ashwin clearly better in ODIs as a bowler? Sundar has done well when he got chances while Ashwin was discarded after 2017 and suddenly called back. Sundar also gave a alternative to Jaddu if he was selected.

 

Why would he talk about SKY when asked about Ashwin?

[vvvslaxman]

12 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

How is Ashwin clearly better in ODIs as a bowler? Sundar has done well when he got chances while Ashwin was discarded after 2017 and suddenly called back. Sundar also gave a alternative to Jaddu if he was selected.

 

Why would he talk about SKY when asked about Ashwin?

 

Not sure he was asked. He has a history of attacking Ashwin on twitter. Unless Ashwin is in playing XI consistently he has no reason to worry about "Ashwin being in the scheme of things"> He has played grand total of 3 ODIs  since CT2017.  If Ashwin had so much influence he would have played WTC final. He was sitting out 6 matches in a row in England.

[Gollum]

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[Gollum]

21 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Still he was selected above Sundar. Ashwin PR is massive. Played 2022 WT20 too. Might play this year WT20 too.

If Ashwin's PR is massive he wouldn't have been dropped for 6 straight tests in Eng, including WTC final. He is a soft target, doesn't even have backers in his home state, CSK-Srini nexus etc. 

 

He came to T20 WC and WC because of injuries to others. 

[raki05]

16 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Yuvi, Bhajji are sore loosers bloddy gwanrs.isnt these 2 idiots funding Afridi’s NGO. Isnt this shamless yuvi dancing along with Chokli once we lost 2017 final. 

[raki05]

16 minutes ago, Gollum said:

If Ashwin's PR is massive he wouldn't have been dropped for 6 straight tests in Eng, including WTC final. He is a soft target, doesn't even have backers in his home state, CSK-Srini nexus etc. 

 

He came to T20 WC and WC because of injuries to others. 

Ya i see lot of Ashwin bashing from ex cricketers to media to everyone. You are right even dhoni discarded him from CSK team once his purpose was served. He has still kept so many raddi players in csk till date but he released him as soon as he got opportunity. People saying PR are totally wrong, he is a player who has least fan base in media and social media both. I am ok that he is out of loi but even in test matches he is not treated fairly. Axar,Shakariya, Unadkat and Mukesh have more clout and PR than Ashwin

[Suhaan]

If Rohit and Kohli aren't going doesn't mean we have to accomodate Ashwin

Unfortunately batsmen are always held in high regard in India

But I know there is lot of regional bias in his views as well,he and Bhajji are quite close

Bhajji is jealous of Ashwin and naturally Yuvraj had to align with Bhajji and look down to Ashwin

But on pure cricketing perspective I don't see Aswhin in scheme of things any further

Infact should have been dropped  from Lois altogether from 2017 onwards

[vvvslaxman]

28 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

If Rohit and Kohli aren't going doesn't mean we have to accomodate Ashwin

Unfortunately batsmen are always held in high regard in India

But I know there is lot of regional bias in his views as well,he and Bhajji are quite close

Bhajji is jealous of Ashwin and naturally Yuvraj had to align with Bhajji and look down to Ashwin

But on pure cricketing perspective I don't see Aswhin in scheme of things any further

Infact should have been dropped  from Lois altogether from 2017 onwards

 

It is more to do with Ashwin's testy relationship with Yuvraj when Ashwin was pkxi captain. He dropped Yuvi from one of the match. Intereviewer asked if Yuvi was rested. Ashwin said "He was dropped"> Since then he has been attacking Ashwin at every opportunity. You can say things like "If Kumble had bowled on these wikcets he would have taken 1000 wickets"

[Gollum]

5 hours ago, raki05 said:

Ya i see lot of Ashwin bashing from ex cricketers to media to everyone. You are right even dhoni discarded him from CSK team once his purpose was served. He has still kept so many raddi players in csk till date but he released him as soon as he got opportunity. People saying PR are totally wrong, he is a player who has least fan base in media and social media both. I am ok that he is out of loi but even in test matches he is not treated fairly. Axar,Shakariya, Unadkat and Mukesh have more clout and PR than Ashwin

Yeah Ashwin has very little PR, he gets more hate/mocking on SM, and no fanatical support like some of the other players. It is a myth that he has PR, especially if you consider his stature/achievements he must be having least support in Indian cricket history. Also his caste is a factor, won't get support in TN because of politics, in fact he gets a lot of casteist abuse as well despite him not speaking politics, even by people who don't follow cricket. You know how the Dravidian ecosystem is right, especially the DMK/DK wing?

 

Dhoni turned against Ashwin, used him and then discarded him, in 2016 IPL everyone saw how he treated Ashwin in that Pune franchise. I remember that year because that is when the rift started between the 2, even in 2016 WT20 SF he gave Ashwin just 2 overs and kept him away from the game despite Ashwin creating chances. Many people don't observe these things, in 2017 Ashwin didn't play IPL citing injury, connect the dots. Bigger factor at play here because Ashwin snubbed Srini, wasn't his chamcha and chose Chemplast over India Cements....year 2015 or '16. Srini took his revenge and sidelined him from TN cricket. Maybe Dhoni was being influenced by Srini, who knows? But there was open hostility from one side. 

 

Yuvraj is a coward, he might be correct but cowards always choose easy targets. People like Gambhir, Prasad at least are brave and talk truth to power. 

Edited January 19 by Gollum

[Gollum]

5 hours ago, raki05 said:

Yuvi, Bhajji are sore loosers bloddy gwanrs.isnt these 2 idiots funding Afridi’s NGO. Isnt this shamless yuvi dancing along with Chokli once we lost 2017 final. 

Both publicized Afridi's NGO, a week after Afridi went to PoK and abused Modi/Indian Army. The timing is what annoyed everyone. IIRC that time Indo-Pak relations were also tense because of Pulwama, Wing Commander Abhinandan episode, 370 abrogation, Imran lying/crying in UNGA. 

 

Bhajji also posted on SM hailing Bhindranwale during farmer's protests. We know what Yuvraj's father thinks of Hindu women, and Yuvraj's lame response. These 2 are not innocent guys, superiority complex hai. 

Edited January 19 by Gollum

[raki05]

3 hours ago, Gollum said:

Both publicized Afridi's NGO, a week after Afridi went to PoK and abused Modi/Indian Army. The timing is what annoyed everyone. IIRC that time Indo-Pak relations were also tense because of Pulwama, Wing Commander Abhinandan episode, 370 abrogation, Imran lying/crying in UNGA. 

 

Bhajji also posted on SM hailing Bhindranwale during farmer's protests. We know what Yuvraj's father thinks of Hindu women, and Yuvraj's lame response. These 2 are not innocent guys, superiority complex hai. 

Arey Gollum Bhai apney to dhaga khol diya, Ekdum se thread ke mahaul badal diey jajbaat badal diey. But ya all valid points and fact about these 2 clowns.

[Lord]

On 1/19/2024 at 8:46 PM, Gollum said:

If Ashwin's PR is massive he wouldn't have been dropped for 6 straight tests in Eng, including WTC final. He is a soft target, doesn't even have backers in his home state, CSK-Srini nexus etc. 

 

He came to T20 WC and WC because of injuries to others. 

 

Why would he want to play OS Tests where chances of doing well are minimal. It just hurts his legacy.

 

There were other players playing regularly and doing well . Ashwin jumped the queue both times. Bishnoi in WT20 and Sundar in WC

[Gollum]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

Why would he want to play OS Tests where chances of doing well are minimal. It just hurts his legacy.

 

There were other players playing regularly and doing well . Ashwin jumped the queue both times. Bishnoi in WT20 and Sundar in WC

On the contrary he needed the 2021 Eng series to cement his legacy. Having done well in BGT a few months prior, and the fact that Eng doesn't doctor it's pitches as much as SA, the Dukes ball, Eng batting in ruins, he would have had his redemption arc complete.

 

If he had PR he wouldn't have missed 6 tests in a row, heck 2023 WTC track was dry, and he would have done much better than others esp. 125 kph toothless spraygun Umesh.

Edited January 20 by Gollum

[Adamant]

Whatever Yuvraj has said about Ashwin is absolutely true, he should be nowhere near Indian LOI setup.

In tests he should not play in SA, Eng and Nz

[putrevus]

On 1/18/2024 at 2:10 PM, Lord said:

 

Sundar has been doing well in ODIs too. Better option than Ashwin even there.

 

They could have picked Tilak but before that there was no one. One of top 5 had to bowl and  all are prima donnas

No he is not better option.