rangeelaraja Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) Isn’t it shocking that Vikram Sarabhai - the principal founder and brain behind what ISRO is today hasn’t got the Bharat Ratna. Vikram Sarabhai is also the founder of IIM -A - Indias crown jewel management institute . Ditto with Varghese Kurien - the founder and brain behind Amul / cooperative dairy - the father of the milk revolution in India whose social impact in India is beyond words. Am sure at some point both of them will get the Bharat Ratna - it’s just not politically beneficial right now - because that’s what decides timing of the Bharat Ratna awards. Whats the point of giving Bharat Ratna posthumously- 30/40 years after someone has passed away ? Does the govt wake up after 40 years and realize - “ We think you are a Bharat Ratna” , we want to thank you for your social impact. Can you imagine someone like Sardar Patel who is literally the architect of modern India - someone who negotiated unification of the country as it stands today with 500+ princely states ? He is also the brain behind all India administrative services. He gets Bharat Ratna in 1990 - 40 years after his death in 1950, while Sachin Tendulkar gets it soon after his retirement in 2013 at the age of 40, because he does a behind the close doors agreement with the then ruling Congress party to be their nominated Rajya sabha MP, with a promise to give him Bharat Ratna - so that INC could benefit in the 2014 Lok Sabha elections. This is the “value “ of Bharat Ratna. Edited February 9 by rangeelaraja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) It lost its value long ago when MGR was given Bharat Ratna in 1988 immediately after his death in 1987 . At that time Saradar Patel, Ambedkar were not awarded yet. It started becoming politically motivated blatantly after that, not that it was not earlier. Nehru and IG giving it to themselves is a joke Edited February 9 by coffee_rules Vijy, Vickydev, bowl_out and 2 others 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) I think Sardar Patel, Ambedkarji, Gandhiji are three people beyond Bharat Ratna. They are Bharat's life. Lets not belittle these Greats abd put them in category of Bharat Ratna recipients Edited February 9 by mishra Lone Wolf, Vijy and Vickydev 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 INfact I will say, Government to introduce awards on name of these three greats on basis of contributions in specific areas like nation building, constitution/legal and betterment of society to all Indians including NRIs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 BR given to Charan Singh - the guy who broke the Janata Party in 1980 to become the PM from Congress support for a few months. Wah Modji Wah! This is mainly because RLD is thinking of joiniung NDA breaking away from I.N.D.. RLD's head is Charan Singh's grandson Jayant Singh. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevada Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Not that it makes any difference, but hey still haven't given Bharat Ratna to legendary singer Muhammad Rafi. Everyone who worked with him speaks fondly of him, praising his generosity, humility and kindness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevada Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 hours ago, coffee_rules said: BR given to Charan Singh - the guy who broke the Janata Party in 1980 to become the PM from Congress support for a few months. Wah Modji Wah! This is mainly because RLD is thinking of joiniung NDA breaking away from I.N.D.. RLD's head is Charan Singh's grandson Jayant Singh. . Merits of the award aside, there is a time and place for everything, beyond which relevance is lost. Charan Singh passed away long back and even his son Ajit passed away two years ago, at 82 years of age. Give the award when the awardee is still around and healthy enough to appreciate and enjoy it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 6 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: Can you imagine someone like Sardar Patel who is literally the architect of modern India - someone who negotiated unification of the country as it stands today with 500+ princely states ? He is also the brain behind all India administrative services. There was no concept of Bharat ratna in his time . It was introduced in 1954 only for people which are alive . In 1966 this was changed to award it to lal bahadur shastri post humously coffee_rules and nevada 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BacktoCricaddict Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) On 2/9/2024 at 11:13 AM, coffee_rules said: BR given to Charan Singh - the guy who broke the Janata Party in 1980 to become the PM from Congress support for a few months. Wah Modji Wah! This is mainly because RLD is thinking of joiniung NDA breaking away from I.N.D.. RLD's head is Charan Singh's grandson Jayant Singh. . The joy I felt with the MSS announcement is tempered by this dilution of BR's value. It's like giving Henry Kissinger, Yasser Arafat and Barack Obama the Nobel Peace Prize. And BTW, IIRC, it wasn't few months of PM-ship. It was 13 days! Edited February 10 by BacktoCricaddict coffee_rules and Vijy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) On 2/9/2024 at 4:13 PM, coffee_rules said: BR given to Charan Singh - the guy who broke the Janata Party in 1980 to become the PM from Congress support for a few months. Wah Modji Wah! This is mainly because RLD is thinking of joiniung NDA breaking away from I.N.D.. RLD's head is Charan Singh's grandson Jayant Singh. . We have a "Mushhar community" in Uttar Pradesh. Mushhar comes from the term Mush which means Rat and they are supposed to be living on eating field Rats and I know that this community live all across India on same lifestyle. They used to live and worked as permanent labourer, even now they never sit other than ground even at homes of HArijan Community(Same community which gets Kanhaiya Kumar talking social injustice of Past among Hindus. I doubt even he will share dininning table with them ). They used to live in mud houses outside village. The only place they get water from is their own Well which they dug themselves. It pains me even now, when I reminsce how these people were relying on leftover foods. They are soo poor that any Government scheme to help them never reached them no matter what. These guys are still treated as animals, yes animals and there are no records of such people as people but they were just a number on some table/column of Government Human Rseource Minstry. Thank to Modiji, 70+ years of Independence, that a lot of these people atleast have now got a house and electricity and food (Allthough still outside the villages). Villagers still treat them as animals (iirespectve of which cast the villagers are). And this is one of the key reason why I think any schemes on poverty,education and economic indicator for poor under previous regimes , I call Bull Shyte Schemes as none ever worked. To me, If one of their kids makes it to a government job, Its similar to someone making it to ISRO Scientist Community. I hope now you understand what Charan Singh a Jat making to PM under Nehuru rule of India signifies. Now, just think How Great and brilliant Dr Ambedkarji was. I get awed just reading him that how brilliant he was at articulating the thoughts and issues Edited February 12 by mishra G_B_ and putrevus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, mishra said: We have a "Mushhar community" in Uttar Pradesh. Mushhar comes from the term Mush which means Rat and they are supposed to be living on eating field Rats and I know that this community live all across India on same lifestyle. They used to live and worked as permanent labourer, even now they never sit other than ground even at homes of HArijan Community(Same community which gets Kanhaiya Kumar talking social injustice of Past among Hindus. I doubt even he will share dininning table with them ). They used to live in mud houses outside village. The only place they get water from is their own Well which they dug themselves. It pains me even now, when I reminsce how these people were relying on leftover foods. They are soo poor that any Government scheme to help them never reached them no matter what. These guys are still treated as animals, yes animals and there are no records of such people as people but they were just a number on some table/column of Government Human Rseource Minstry. Thank to Modiji, 70+ years of Independence, that a lot of these people atleast have now got a house and electricity and food (Allthough still outside the villages). Villagers still treat them as animals (iirespectve of which cast the villagers are). And this is one of the key reason why I think any schemes on poverty,education and economic indicator for poor under previous regimes , I call Bull Shyte Schemes as none ever worked. To me, If one of their kids makes it to a government job, Its similar to someone making it to ISRO Scientist Community. I hope now you understand what Charan Singh a Jat making to PM under Nehuru rule of India signifies. Now, just think How Great and brilliant Dr Ambedkarji was. I get awed just reading him that how brilliant he was at articulating the thoughts and issues Doesn’t negate the fact that the award was given with political machinations. Still find him and Chandrashekhar beoming PM not on their merit but because of politics. Devegowda also became PM in a similar way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 2/9/2024 at 9:23 AM, rangeelaraja said: Isn’t it shocking that Vikram Sarabhai - the principal founder and brain behind what ISRO is today hasn’t got the Bharat Ratna. Vikram Sarabhai is also the founder of IIM -A - Indias crown jewel management institute . Ditto with Varghese Kurien - the founder and brain behind Amul / cooperative dairy - the father of the milk revolution in India whose social impact in India is beyond words. Am sure at some point both of them will get the Bharat Ratna - it’s just not politically beneficial right now - because that’s what decides timing of the Bharat Ratna awards. Whats the point of giving Bharat Ratna posthumously- 30/40 years after someone has passed away ? Does the govt wake up after 40 years and realize - “ We think you are a Bharat Ratna” , we want to thank you for your social impact. Can you imagine someone like Sardar Patel who is literally the architect of modern India - someone who negotiated unification of the country as it stands today with 500+ princely states ? He is also the brain behind all India administrative services. He gets Bharat Ratna in 1990 - 40 years after his death in 1950, while Sachin Tendulkar gets it soon after his retirement in 2013 at the age of 40, because he does a behind the close doors agreement with the then ruling Congress party to be their nominated Rajya sabha MP, with a promise to give him Bharat Ratna - so that INC could benefit in the 2014 Lok Sabha elections. This is the “value “ of Bharat Ratna. there are several scientists who deserved it too. Like JC Bose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 I hope Midiji decides to give one Bharat Ratna to Jinnah putrevus and Vijy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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