WT20 India squad announced

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Rinku is Dalit?

Rajput I think 

[bowl_out]

15 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

I still can't understand how Siraj, A Khan, Arshdeep got selected but Nattu can't?

Not even in the reserves

[bowl_out]

15 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

I still can't understand how Siraj, A Khan, Arshdeep got selected but Nattu can't?

Also, all media keeps talking about Rinku. There is no voice for Nattu

[Gollum]

5 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Rinku is Dalit? What about Nattu ?

Rinku is Dalit. Dunno about Nattu but he is from a poor family, so mentioned caste/class, anyway majority Tamils are backward caste and Nattu is a rare non-Brahmin cricketer from TN. 

Edited May 2 by Gollum

[Nikhil_cric]

15 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Rinku is Dalit. Dunno about Nattu but he is from a poor family, so mentioned caste/class, anyway majority Tamils are backward caste and Nattu is a rare non-Brahmin cricketer from TN. 

Ok.  But I don't think it's caste holding him back. Rohit in the presser said he specifically  wanted 4 spinners. God knows why. 

 

But it makes it very clear that this is Rohit's side - nobody can blame Agarkar or Dravid anymore. 

 

Only way Rinku can make that side is if that Top 3 reduces to Top 2. 

 

 

 

[Gollum]

4 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Ok.  But I don't think it's caste holding him back. Rohit in the presser said he specifically  wanted 4 spinners. God knows why. 

 

But it makes it very clear that this is Rohit's side - nobody can blame Agarkar or Dravid anymore. 

 

Only way Rinku can make that side is if that Top 3 reduces to Top 2. 

Of course Dravid and Agarkar are also to blame, both are in important positions. If Agarkar felt strongly about getting sidelined, he should have given his resignation papers, ultimately this has his stamp on it. All 3 are to blame, also that joker Jay Shah who announced few months back that Rohit would be leading us in the WT20  no matter what. 

 

Even I don't think Rinku's caste is holding him back but very few Dalits make it to top level in Indian cricket. If some organizations want to make noise, won't blame them one bit. 

Edited May 2 by Gollum

[goose]

to win these tournaments i think the key ingredient is a side of players with nothing to lose. the scores we are seeing the IPL depend on extreme freedom to smack everything. nothing inherently wrong with the old hands but they simply cannot magic this freedom, it only comes with being new.

[coffee_rules]

T20 is a lottery , so no country has been able to dominate the tournament in consective times. 

[AuxiliA]

28 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Even I don't think Rinku's caste is holding him back but very few Dalits make it to top level in Indian cricket. If some organizations want to make noise, won't blame them one bit. 

 

People don't realise how much expensive Cricket is as a sports, especially by Subcontinent standards. Dalit representation is better in less expensive sports like hockey, football, etc.

 

Besides SC(dalit) population is only 16-17% of total Indian population. Not like they are half of the population. Still I hope their representation rises in Cricket.

[Gollum]

Just now, AuxiliA said:

 

People don't realise how much expensive Cricket is as a sports, especially by Subcontinent standards. Dalit representation is better in less expensive sports like hockey, football, etc.

 

Besides SC(dalit) population is only 16-17% of total Indian population. Not like they are half of the population. Still I hope their representation rises in Cricket.

Yeah but still they are more than Muslims+Christians. 

 

Like you I hope they rise, and not just in cricket. 

[AuxiliA]

33 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Yeah but still they are more than Muslims+Christians. 

 

Like you I hope they rise, and not just in cricket. 

 

Most of them are from affluent families. Besides upper class M & C are as rich as upper caste Hindus. 

 

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, AuxiliA said:

 

Most of them are from affluent families. Besides upper class M & C are as rich as upper caste Hindus. 

 

C ok, but not Ms I think, they do poorly in most socioeconomic indicators. 

[AuxiliA]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

C ok, but not Ms I think, they do poorly in most socioeconomic indicators. 

 

Ms still have feudal society in India (& Pakistan). The upper class(5-10%) are rich and affluent AF.  They are also quite well educated. 

[IndianRenegade]

3 hours ago, Gollum said:

Rinku is Dalit. Dunno about Nattu but he is from a poor family, so mentioned caste/class, anyway majority Tamils are backward caste and Nattu is a rare non-Brahmin cricketer from TN. 

Nattu is from a village near from my native, he must live within 20 -30 km from my native. All kinds of ppl come from this area, wealthy, middle class & poor. But think he comes from lower middle class by Village standards.

[IndianRenegade]

3 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Ok.  But I don't think it's caste holding him back. Rohit in the presser said he specifically  wanted 4 spinners. God knows why. 

 

But it makes it very clear that this is Rohit's side - nobody can blame Agarkar or Dravid anymore. 

 

Only way Rinku can make that side is if that Top 3 reduces to Top 2. 

 

 

 

We have 5 pacers w/ backups - Bumrah, Siraj, A Khan, K Ahmed & Arshdeep I don’t know how spinners inclusion caused Nattu to lose out, when neither of the 4 other than Bumrah are better T20 bowlers than Nattu.

if anything I see a regional, language or class bias here.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

2 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

We have 5 pacers w/ backups - Bumrah, Siraj, A Khan, K Ahmed & Arshdeep I don’t know how spinners inclusion caused Nattu to lose out, when neither of the 4 other than Bumrah are better T20 bowlers than Nattu.

if anything I see a regional, language or class bias here.

 

 

Why are you counting backups ?  They can't come in unless a player is ruled out for the rest of the tournament. .

 

There is no need for 2 specialist wrist spinners in this squad.

 

The only bias I see is a bias towards overrated seniors and their brand value etc. 

[IndianRenegade]

17 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

Why are you counting backups ?  They can't come in unless a player is ruled out for the rest of the tournament. .

There is no need for 2 specialist wrist spinners in this squad.

 

 Because your backups are normally the next best in the format, if they had replaced a spinner with pacer it would have been one among the backups. how are avesh & k ahmed better than Nattu? if the team is seriously claiming they are better than nattu we are hopeless.

 

17 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

The only bias I see is a bias towards overrated seniors and their brand value etc. 

My bias argument is not founded in anything concrete. But there is certainly bias of some sort other than pure cricketing ability. 

Edited May 2 by IndianRenegade

[bowl_out]

On 5/2/2024 at 1:30 PM, IndianRenegade said:

We have 5 pacers w/ backups - Bumrah, Siraj, A Khan, K Ahmed & Arshdeep I don’t know how spinners inclusion caused Nattu to lose out, when neither of the 4 other than Bumrah are better T20 bowlers than Nattu.

if anything I see a regional, language or class bias here.

 

Seems regional bias more than anything. Nattu wasn't even spoken about at any time during selections, neither was VC

 

Given that the pattern has been to choose "experience" over form, Siraj and even Arshdeep over Natarajan seems on expected lines. But, Khaleel over Nattu is completely unacceptable and reeks of regional bias.

[jf1gp_1]

On 5/2/2024 at 8:42 PM, coffee_rules said:

T20 is a lottery , so no country has been able to dominate the tournament in consective times. 

We know which country hasnt dominated it and there is a reason for it 

[vvvslaxman]

Great track record for Nofit lol