Will any commentator, reporter, or ex-player call out non-selection of Abhishek?

[Ultimate_Game]

25 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Once  thing I have learnt on ICF,they love assigning the blame on select few players and also players who are not selected  are always Bradmans and Malcolm Marshalls.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WT20 2007 and Aus series win in 2020-21 has shown us that our domestic players & youngsters can actually win. When the "regular" and "experienced" players have failed to win anything for more than a decade with the same core (Rohit, Kohli, Jadeja etc.), and shyte the bed everytime, it's more than clear where the problem lies.

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

WT20 2007 and Aus series win in 2020-21 has shown us that our domestic players & youngsters can actually win. When the "regular" and "experienced" players have failed to win anything for more than a decade with the same core (Rohit, Kohli, Jadeja etc.), and shyte the bed everytime, it's more than clear where the problem lies.

Eggsperience trumps all

[putrevus]

2007 was won by core players and young fast bowlers.

 

Gabba was won by again core players in Pant and Pujara and would be core player in Gill.

 

When your main fast bowler is a no show in any crunch match plus there are no young fast bowlers who have delivered like Sreesanth and RP Singh did in 2007.

 

This constant whining about players who have been getting the team to at least knockouts is getting old.

 

 

Edited May 12, 2024 by putrevus

[Vijy]

6 hours ago, putrevus said:

2007 was won by core players and young fast bowlers.

 

Gabba was won by again core players in Pant and Pujara and would be core player in Gill.

 

When your main fast bowler is a no show in any crunch match plus there are no young fast bowlers who have delivered like Sreesanth and RP Singh did in 2007.

 

This constant whining about players who have been getting the team to at least knockouts is getting old.

 

 

Pant was not a core player in 2020 (he didn't even play 1st test thanks to Kaptaan Kohli), and neither was Gill. One should speak of players status as it was at that time, not looking at them retrospectively and anointing them whatever their current status is.

 

You could/should have named core players as ashwin or jadeja, who did play vital roles instead.

 

Perhaps you didn't follow the tons of articles written about how that team management (especially Ravi Boozidiot) publicly castigated Pant many times. Explains why he didn't even play 1st test - some "core" player he was.

Edited May 12, 2024 by Vijy

[Lord]

Pant was core player in 2020 BGT

[Vijy]

51 minutes ago, Lord said:

Pant was core player in 2020 BGT

he became a core player after that series, he was not considered one before that series. convenient how people ignore all the abuse meted out to him by Ravi Boozard and co before then.

[Ultimate_Game]

9 hours ago, putrevus said:

2007 was won by core players and young fast bowlers.

 

Gabba was won by again core players in Pant and Pujara and would be core player in Gill.

 

When your main fast bowler is a no show in any crunch match plus there are no young fast bowlers who have delivered like Sreesanth and RP Singh did in 2007.

 

This constant whining about players who have been getting the team to at least knockouts is getting old.

 

 

 

In 2007 there were no "core players". Core players at the time were Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Zaheer, Kumble etc. If we had that core, just like we have right now, we would've bombed out at the group stage.

 

And the Gabba Test was not won by "core players". In the first innings Shardul Thakur and Washington Sundar scored the runs who brought us back. Siraj, Thakur, Sundar, and Nattu took the wkts. In the 2nd innings Gill (who was playing his debut series), and Pant, who was not even selected in the team in the 1st Test by the so called "King" were the top run scorers. That time Pant wasn't the core player - he was 2nd in the list to Saha else Pant would've started the 1st Test.

 

I know your love for  Kohli over-shadows everything but at the very least don't lie so blatantly. We all saw Gabba Test and that series. Now the revisionist history from you has suddenly made Thakur, Pant, Sundar, Gill core players at the time. Have some shame in so blatantly revising the history. And along with the young bowlers the so called "King" and that fatso Rohit have to score runs as well. Maybe you're singing from the same hymn sheet as Rohit where after scoring a below par 168 in WT20 semi on a patta at Adelaide, Rohit blamed the bowlers.

 

And if getting team to the knockouts is a big thing for the so called greats, they better stop playing. Cricket is a sport played by a handful of nations and there've been barely 3 good teams over the last decade along with India - Aus, Eng, and NZ. And if you think simply to get past SL, WI, Pak, Zim, SA to the knockouts is a great achievement, I can very well see why Kohli is a GOAT and King for you. It's fanboys like you who've enabled and perpetuated this culture of under-performance. "Oh look we made it to the top 4" is not really a big deal when there're only 3-4 decent teams going around.

Edited May 12, 2024 by Ultimate_Game

[Ultimate_Game]

9 hours ago, putrevus said:

2007 was won by core players and young fast bowlers.

 

Gabba was won by again core players in Pant and Pujara and would be core player in Gill.

 

When your main fast bowler is a no show in any crunch match plus there are no young fast bowlers who have delivered like Sreesanth and RP Singh did in 2007.

 

This constant whining about players who have been getting the team to at least knockouts is getting old.

 

 

 

Finest revisionist history by Kohli fanboys. Now suddenly the 2007 WT20 and the 2020-21 test series in Aus was won by "core" players 

 

Maybe this Kohli fanboy thinks Kohli was the captain who led the team and was responsible for the Aus series win 

[Lone Wolf]

17 hours ago, putrevus said:

2007 was won by core players and young fast bowlers.

 

Gabba was won by again core players in Pant and Pujara and would be core player in Gill.

 

When your main fast bowler is a no show in any crunch match plus there are no young fast bowlers who have delivered like Sreesanth and RP Singh did in 2007.

 

This constant whining about players who have been getting the team to at least knockouts is getting old.

 

 

Ghanta Gill Pant Siraj Sundar weren't first choice starters...  Kuch bhi logic. 

Oldies have proven to be useless time and again when it matters. 

It was a ATG knock of Shreyas which won Semi vs NZ...  Chokli played a utter selfish knock which would be match losing if not for Iyer Blitzkrieg 

[putrevus]

21 hours ago, Vijy said:

Pant was not a core player in 2020 (he didn't even play 1st test thanks to Kaptaan Kohli), and neither was Gill. One should speak of players status as it was at that time, not looking at them retrospectively and anointing them whatever their current status is.

 

You could/should have named core players as ashwin or jadeja, who did play vital roles instead.

 

Perhaps you didn't follow the tons of articles written about how that team management (especially Ravi Boozidiot) publicly castigated Pant many times. Explains why he didn't even play 1st test - some "core" player he was.

You are too much worried about semantics .

 

Rohit Sharma also did not play first two test in 2020 series , Rohit was in and out of test team all his career.

 

There was only regular in test team Kohli in last decade.

 

Pant was part of the team in Australia in 2018 also .

[putrevus]

16 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

In 2007 there were no "core players". Core players at the time were Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Zaheer, Kumble etc. If we had that core, just like we have right now, we would've bombed out at the group stage.

 

And the Gabba Test was not won by "core players". In the first innings Shardul Thakur and Washington Sundar scored the runs who brought us back. Siraj, Thakur, Sundar, and Nattu took the wkts. In the 2nd innings Gill (who was playing his debut series), and Pant, who was not even selected in the team in the 1st Test by the so called "King" were the top run scorers. That time Pant wasn't the core player - he was 2nd in the list to Saha else Pant would've started the 1st Test.

 

I know your love for  Kohli over-shadows everything but at the very least don't lie so blatantly. We all saw Gabba Test and that series. Now the revisionist history from you has suddenly made Thakur, Pant, Sundar, Gill core players at the time. Have some shame in so blatantly revising the history. And along with the young bowlers the so called "King" and that fatso Rohit have to score runs as well. Maybe you're singing from the same hymn sheet as Rohit where after scoring a below par 168 in WT20 semi on a patta at Adelaide, Rohit blamed the bowlers.

 

And if getting team to the knockouts is a big thing for the so called greats, they better stop playing. Cricket is a sport played by a handful of nations and there've been barely 3 good teams over the last decade along with India - Aus, Eng, and NZ. And if you think simply to get past SL, WI, Pak, Zim, SA to the knockouts is a great achievement, I can very well see why Kohli is a GOAT and King for you. It's fanboys like you who've enabled and perpetuated this culture of under-performance. "Oh look we made it to the top 4" is not really a big deal when there're only 3-4 decent teams going around.

Nonsense

 

Yuvraj, Bhajji, Sehwag were all part of odi set up for more than five years .Dhoni started in 2004. Gambhir, started playing in 2005.Irfan Pathan instantly became a core member after his debut in 2003 played a vital role in series wins in Pakistan in both formats in 2004. RP singh and Sreesanth already played vital roles in test wins in 2006 (Joburg) and test series in 2007 in England

 

Kumble was in and out of odis since 2003 world cup. Dravid was part of odis only for one reason  he became captain or he would have been gone.

 

Only guys who left were Sachin and Ganguly.They did not go voluntarily. Ganguly did not have much left anyways.

 

I have always believed you need couple of youngsters to play in every major tournament who don't have fear of failure.Rohit was that guy who play a vital role against SA in 2007. That is why I wanted Tilak to be part of the team in 2023 world cup.

 

Regarding your Gabba claim and that 2020 series win. Pujara Rahane and Ashwin  played equally important role in that series win along with Pant who was part of series win in 2018 also.

 

You seem to have no understanding of history of cricket. Cricket is won by team.India in last decade had most unbalanced team.

 

Malcolm Marshall never won any world cup, it does not mean he is not considered one of the greatest fast bowlers who has played this game.Viv Richards never won any world cup without Clive Lloyd.He was at his peak in 1980s but never led WI to title.

 

WI still was the strongest team in 1980s but never won any world cup in 1980s. They were steam rolling over all teams in 1980s and early part of 1990s but never sniffed world cup.

 

Ambrose and Walsh never won any world cup.Ambrose will go down one of the best odi bowlers.

 

No one in their right mind would call 1983 world cup winning Indian team as a great team. 1983 WI team will go down as best team never to have won world cup.It would beat any world cup winning team past or present easily 

 

I have no love for anyone.

 

Only moronic Idiots will have issue with Kohli in whiteball cricket, he is the reason why India has been relevant in T20 world cup. He carried the team to atleast semi even in 2022 when he was looking like an idiot for previous three years. Did he play a great knock in semi final answer is no but team keeps depending on single guy for whole tournament, he will have good or bad days.

 

You keep harping on knockout failures,  only failure I attribute to  Kohli  is 2019 semi finals.He was the best batsman, he should have taken the team over the line. You can knock him for that but he got umpire's call.

 

Rest of knock matches , India was not winning 2015 world cup after conceeding 330 plus or 2017 CT.

 

Travis Head you keep harping on is not fit to tie shoelaces of Kohli. 

 

Joginder Sharma has world t20 title and Bumrah does not , does it mean Joginder sharma is better bowler?

 

Bumrah did not play Gabba test, Natrajan played does he become better bowler.

Edited May 13, 2024 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

7 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Ghanta Gill Pant Siraj Sundar weren't first choice starters...  Kuch bhi logic. 

Oldies have proven to be useless time and again when it matters. 

It was a ATG knock of Shreyas which won Semi vs NZ...  Chokli played a utter selfish knock which would be match losing if not for Iyer Blitzkrieg 

 We also saw kathakali from Kohli against Mehidy hasan in the BD test which we were certain to lose and got saved by Iyer and Ashwin. Kohli makes runs only where there is no turn or prodigious movement.  He is vigorously pursuing 100 centuries of Tendulkar. 

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

You are too much worried about semantics .

 

Rohit Sharma also did not play first two test in 2020 series , Rohit was in and out of test team all his career.

 

There was only regular in test team Kohli in last decade.

 

Pant was part of the team in Australia in 2018 also .

it's not semantics, it's facts... and it's not alternative facts either.

[mani sha]

A sharma , rinku , riyan parag, all rounder reddy - 

 

these 4 needed to play in place of kohli , sharma ,pandya  and jadeja .

 

the squad would look fresh , feel fresh and would be a v dangerous one 

 

a sharma

jaiswal 

sky 

rinku 

reddy / axar 

patel / dube 

pant / Sampson 

yadav 

bum 

Siraj 

arsdeep 

Parag 

 

Selectors have choosen old players . One spinner too many . 
lack of spin all rounders - parag and jaiswal could have been groomed . 
 

but we are now hoping . Sharma goes younger and kohli sweeps to become head and then golfs to become Maxwell 

 

Edited May 14, 2024 by mani sha
Typo

[Vijy]

On 5/13/2024 at 9:24 AM, vvvslaxman said:

 We also saw kathakali from Kohli against Mehidy hasan in the BD test which we were certain to lose and got saved by Iyer and Ashwin. Kohli makes runs only where there is no turn or prodigious movement.  He is vigorously pursuing 100 centuries of Tendulkar. 

as long as he pursues it with seriousness, that is the main thing - he should avoid half-assing it.

Edited May 14, 2024 by Vijy

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Vijy said:

as long as he pursues it with seriousness, that is the main thing - he should avoid half-assing it.

 

It almost cost us the semi final.  He wants to own all the statistics. Statistics are useful only in debates. Nothing more. He was a match winner in the mid 2010s. But nowadays he is too obsessed withs stats, milestones.  

[Vijy]

On 5/14/2024 at 3:22 PM, vvvslaxman said:

 

It almost cost us the semi final.  He wants to own all the statistics. Statistics are useful only in debates. Nothing more. He was a match winner in the mid 2010s. But nowadays he is too obsessed withs stats, milestones.  

we lost that match when SRT pursued his 100th 100. Kapil also cost us matches by prolonging career in pursuit of Hadlee. This is typical Indian mentality, not gonna change any time soon.

 

All said and done, as I wrote elsewhere, our No.1 dud in all formats is Fatman. He needs to go first, then the firing gun can be directed toward Jadeja (T20s and ODIs), several others, and then Kohli (T20s), etc.

Edited May 24, 2024 by Vijy

[mishra]

Our Core Team is made up of looser quality players. Core Team wants to win trophy on back of newbies when it should be other way round. Apart from Bhumrah, no one in core Team deserves the spot. 

[singhvivek141]

 

Refreshing to see the views from GG. Unlike other he actually mentioned contributions of no 5-6-7 position which is often lost in the limelight of 1-2-3.

 

Another good point he mentioned was how avg don't matter in T20's, and SR should be given most value. This is such a common sense which unfortunately is uncommon in Indian Cricket.

[Ultimate_Game]

On 5/21/2024 at 3:36 AM, singhvivek141 said:

 

Refreshing to see the views from GG. Unlike other he actually mentioned contributions of no 5-6-7 position which is often lost in the limelight of 1-2-3.

 

Another good point he mentioned was how avg don't matter in T20's, and SR should be given most value. This is such a common sense which unfortunately is uncommon in Indian Cricket.

 

Gambhir is the best captain we never had. Unfortunately his career coincided with Dhoni else he would've made a stellar captain. When he captained India for some of the series as stand-in captain, and when he captained KKR, he showed his abilities as captain. Wish we had someone in the team with same clutchness and captaincy capability.