Qualifying scenarios for the teams

[vvvslaxman]

India almost through

SA through

Australia through

Afghanistan through

WI almost through

 

So far these 4 teams are likely to advance almost certainly. Others are still waiting for all the results to come in.

 

What is the ENgland situation 

 

https://inews.co.uk/sport/cricket/what-england-need-reach-t20-world-cup-super-8-stage-3102642

 

What England need to reach the T20 World Cup Super 8 stage

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England could get knocked out even if they win their final two group matches, and therefore need a favour from Australia

ANTIGUA — England’s fate at this T20 World Cup is now likely to come down to net run rate (NRR) once this first group stage is completed.

The washed-out match against Scotland in Barbados, when Jos Buttler’s men failed to take a wicket in 10 overs, did not count towards NRR as it was a no result. But the 36-run defeat by Australia saw their run rate take a hammering. Currently England are on -1.8.

Scotland, after beating Namibia and hammering Oman in Antigua on Sunday, have a far healthier figure of 2.164.

 

For England to stand a chance of progressing from Group B they must win their final two matches against Oman and Namibia this week in Antigua. Anything less against the two weakest teams in the group, including a washout, would see them knocked out.

 

 

Similarly, if Scotland were to beat Australia in their final group match in St Lucia on Saturday evening, England would be out even if they win their last two matches. A washout in that match would also eliminate England as it would take Scotland to six points. The most England can get is five.

So, two wins by big margins are required by England if they are to overhaul Scotland’s run rate and they will need the Aussies to do them a favour by winning that last game.

There are too many variables to say exactly what margins of victory would be enough for England. But there are some scenarios we can look at to give an illustration of their current predicament.

A team’s NRR is calculated by the number of runs scored divided by the number of overs batted minus the runs scored by the opposition divided by the number of overs they have batted.

So when England scored 165 in 20 overs in reply to Australia’s 201 in 20 overs in Barbados last Saturday it gave them a negative run rate of 1.8.

In simple terms, if England were to beat Oman in their next game on Thursday by 36 runs they would get their NRR back to around 0 – these figures can change slightly depending on the number of overs batted by each team.

 

If they were double that margin of victory – so winning by 72 runs – they would have a positive rate of around 1.8.

Roughly, if England batted first in both of their remaining matches and won by 50 runs this would see their NRR climb to around 3.2 (2.5NRR in each game minus their current NRR of 1.8).

 

This would be enough to overhaul Scotland comfortably assuming they lose to Australia. But the smaller the margin of victory, the smaller the boost to NRR.

So if England scored 180 in both games and won by 25 runs (assuming both teams bat 20 overs in both matches) their NRR boost overall would be 2.5 but given they are currently -1.8 their NRR would stand at 0.7. In that scenario England would need Australia to beat Scotland by a big margin to get them through.

Another way England could boost their NRR would be completing a run chase in good time. So, for example, if they bowled out Oman for 99 in 15 overs and chased down their target of 100 in 10 overs their overall NRR would climb to 1.6 after that game.

That would not be enough to overhaul Scotland but it would likely mean any margin of victory for Buttler’s men in their final game, assuming Australia beat Scotland, would see them through.

The fact it has come to this says everything about how badly this campaign has gone so far for the defending champions.

And the worst thing for England is that Scotland will know exactly what they need to do to progress on NRR given they play after Buttler’s men. So there may well be a game within a game where, for example, Scotland know scoring 180 in a chase of 190 would see them through.

Australia are also likely to have qualified by that stage so if they rest and rotate their team it would help the Scots. They would also have no motivation to go quickly and help England out during any potential run chase in St Lucia.

Unlike the football World Cup, each group’s final round of matches do not take place at the same time. If Australia were suspected of a go-slow in any chase against Scotland to help eliminate their Ashes rivals, the International Cricket Council would come under pressure to follow in football’s footsteps

Edited June 10, 2024 by vvvslaxman

[Tattieboy]

So the summary is Scotland and Australia will cheat because England are sh*t . 

 

To the icc , icf , England and any others I can assure you the ONLY thing on Scotland's mind is beating Australia, IF we're are going to go out it will be the right way 

[Ultimate_Game]

11 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

So the summary is Scotland and Australia will cheat because England are sh*t . 

 

To the icc , icf , England and any others I can assure you the ONLY thing on Scotland's mind is beating Australia, IF we're are going to go out it will be the right way 

 

I wouldn't necessarily call it cheating. I would call it strategically undermining your competition. For Aussies Eng is one of the main teams who can trouble them, and can potentially come across Eng in semis or final. Better to knock them off if you've a chance. Eng is a scary team and can click at any moment - they've too many match-winners and you just need one of them to click to win. With Eng out in place of Scotland, Aus has one less opponent to worry about.

[Nikhil_cric]

On 6/11/2024 at 5:34 AM, Tattieboy said:

So the summary is Scotland and Australia will cheat because England are sh*t . 

 

To the icc , icf , England and any others I can assure you the ONLY thing on Scotland's mind is beating Australia, IF we're are going to go out it will be the right way 

Australia may simply take it lightly , allowing Scotland to qualify. 

[Zero_Unit]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Australia may simply take it lightly , allowing Scotland to qualify. 

I don't think Australia knows how to take any cricket match lightly. They are as intense against England or any even if you put a school team in front of them. They will beat your ass black/blue then they will go grab a beer with you 

Edited June 12, 2024 by Zero_Unit

[Muloghonto]

Forget Aussies cheating, i want us to lose to USA by a close margin and then hammer canada so that Pakistani get eliminated.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

51 minutes ago, Zero_Unit said:

I don't think Australia knows how to take any cricket match lightly. They are as intense against England or any even if you put a school team in front of them. They will beat your ass black/blue then they will go grab a beer with you 

I mean, AUS vs WI in 1999 World Cup is an example of them deliberately trying to eliminate NZ in the group stage.   

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

41 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Forget Aussies cheating, i want us to lose to USA by a close margin and then hammer canada so that Pakistani get eliminated.

 

They are eliminated.... 80% chance of Rain in Ire v USA game ..

 

Why drop games vs Minnows... We are toast in Super 8 ourselves 

[Muloghonto]

23 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

They are eliminated.... 80% chance of Rain in Ire v USA game ..

 

Why drop games vs Minnows... We are toast in Super 8 ourselves 

coz i wanna make it 100% 

[Lone Wolf]

45 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

coz i wanna make it 100% 

Why? Why should we drop game intentionally?

[Muloghonto]

2 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Why? Why should we drop game intentionally?

to eliminate pakistan. 

[Lone Wolf]

9 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

to eliminate pakistan. 

but Indian team doesn't thinks that way ... We don't drop games to minnows

[diga]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Forget Aussies cheating, i want us to lose to USA by a close margin and then hammer canada so that Pakistani get eliminated.

 

Will it raise the bogie of matchfixing?  Wonder why it wasnt raised when Pak lost to USA, that too in a superover... perfect scenario for fixing

[Muloghonto]

19 minutes ago, diga said:

Will it raise the bogie of matchfixing?  Wonder why it wasnt raised when Pak lost to USA, that too in a superover... perfect scenario for fixing

ofcourse it will. but this will be easy to justify: eliminating a more potent rival by letting a fluke team in the later stages is a valid winning tactic. Ultimately, the main boogey of matchfixing is to do with underforming for $$.Lets be honest here, team USA is a far worse team than team Pakistan and would probably lose a 10 match T20 to them 9-1.  This isnt. This is a scenario where we underperform to improve our chances of winning.

Edited June 12, 2024 by Muloghonto

[nitinbwj]

4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Forget Aussies cheating, i want us to lose to USA by a close margin and then hammer canada so that Pakistani get eliminated.

 

What are you smoking ? I want Ind to annihilate USA or Canada or anyone. All matches in Florida are 100% washouts. There is no Pak-Ire or Ind-Can or Ire-USA. Florida venue is f********.

 

 

[nitinbwj]

TBH if we play the right team,we can beat whoever comes in the semis. I won't underestimate Kulcha in WI,Pant or Dube.

Edited June 12, 2024 by nitinbwj

[neel roy]

We should play our best cricket. Pakistan or any other team is just noise. Control the controllables. I am

happy India has played group stages in NY. No better preparation than playing in tough pitches before you play on featherbeds. It prepares us for any scenario. All those shots which got Kohli Rohit Sky Pant Pandya out would have been boundaries or over boundaries in Windies. The only true wicket was of Dube and Jadeja of slower balls which got stuck in the pitch. 

[Nikhil_cric]

Hazlewood said they might look to eliminate England by playing badly against Scotland.  

 

English press are gonna lose it 

 

@Zero_Unit

Edited June 12, 2024 by Nikhil_cric

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

7 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Forget Aussies cheating, i want us to lose to USA by a close margin and then hammer canada so that Pakistani get eliminated.

 

Go USA. I was borrrrrnnnn in the USA

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

2 hours ago, nitinbwj said:

What are you smoking ? I want Ind to annihilate USA or Canada or anyone. All matches in Florida are 100% washouts. There is no Pak-Ire or Ind-Can or Ire-USA. Florida venue is f********.

 

 

fir bhi it is good if USA win.

Other washouts means we are through anyways . I was borrnnn in the USA