Why do people like Dravid doesn't get the respect and live they deserve

[putrevus]

Just now, Lord said:

 

Because our batting is strong enough in Indian conditions where even lower order is able to contribute.

 

We needed a good keeper vs spin more than extra batting

That was nonsense,  as it was proved when India lost the test when both of them played in first test.

[Lord]

Just now, putrevus said:

That was nonsense,  as it was proved when India lost the test when both of them played in first test.

 

but won the series

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

but won the series

That is the point.Dravid was hell bent on screwing the team for one player.

[Lord]

Just now, putrevus said:

That is the point.Dravid was hell bent on screwing the team for one player.

 

but how? We won the series with that decision.

 

Even KL in SA decision was justified with that ton. Bharat would have never done anything close. 

 

Gambhir should 'save' Indian team from one player now. Why isn't he doing it?

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

but how? We won the series with that decision.

 

Even KL in SA decision was justified with that ton. Bharat would have never done anything close. 

 

Gambhir should 'save' Indian team from one player now. Why isn't he doing it?

No we didn't , KL rahul got injured and Bharat got kicked out . Jurel came into the side and then we won the series.If Dravid was great in identifying talent we would have seen Jurel instead of Bharat in first test.

 

He was ready too screw Indian team some more but thankfully they  took decision out of his hand by kicking out Bharat.

 

 

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No we didn't , KL rahul got injured and Bharat got kicked out . Jurel came into the side and then we won the series.If Dravid was great in identifying talent we would have seen Jurel instead of Bharat in first test.

 

He was ready too screw Indian team some more but thankfully they  took decision out of his hand by kicking out Bharat.

 

 

lmao Jurel was brought in at right time by Dravid only. Earlier he was too young. 

 

'They' selected Bharat in the first place. Its hilarous how you pin everything bad on Dravid and everything good on 'they'

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

lmao Jurel was brought in at right time by Dravid only. Earlier he was too young. 

 

'They' selected Bharat in the first place. Its hilarous how you pin everything bad on Dravid and everything good on 'they'

If this was the only decision then it would be easy to let it go.

 

Dravid as a coach did very little.Dravid was useless as a captain and was useless as a coach too.

[Lord]

8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

If this was the only decision then it would be easy to let it go.

 

Dravid as a coach did very little.Dravid was useless as a captain and was useless as a coach too.

 

As a captain he won Test series in Eng after 40 years and won first ever Test in SA. In ODIs we held record of successful chases. Not great but not useless

 

As coach he;s delivered an ICC trophy which was long awaited

[Ultimate_Game]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

lmao Jurel was brought in at right time by Dravid only. Earlier he was too young. 

 

'They' selected Bharat in the first place. Its hilarous how you pin everything bad on Dravid and everything good on 'they'

 

Again you're giving too much credit to Dravid. Dravid's hands were forced by selectors...

https://www.wionews.com/sports/ajit-agarkar-put-his-foot-down-for-inclusion-of-jurel-padikkal-in-test-squad-reports-700073

https://www.firstpost.com/firstcricket/sports-news/india-vs-england-test-series-rahul-dravid-quotes-ajit-agarkar-13747125.html

 

Dravid didn't ask for Jurel and Agarkar and selectors pushed for him. Dravid's lack of foresight is apparent where he backed SKY in Tests ahead of Sarfaraz, KS Bharat ahead of Jurel, and SKY in ODIs ahead of Jaiswal or Rinku. Check out Rinku's stats & performances in List A and FC cricket and it's clear he has the performances and temperament to be successful in ODIs compared to SKY.

 

I've yet to see one meaningful difference made by Dravid, be it backing the right player, or making any strategic difference. The only thing I remember him for is backing useless players like KS Bharath and Avesh Khan, backing wrong players for the formats (SKY in Tests & ODIs), and for messing up the WC 2023 final due to his "genius" plan for the pitch. He was so afraid of making tough decisions and going away from "tried and tested" seniors that he didn't even give likes of Jaiswal and Rinku a game in ODIs. And Sarfaraz who was averaging around 100 across 3 seasons in Ranji had to wait for SKY to fail to get his chance.

 

Sorry, but Dravid was absolutely useless as a coach and I'm glad he's gone.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Again you're giving too much credit to Dravid. Dravid's hands were forced by selectors...

https://www.wionews.com/sports/ajit-agarkar-put-his-foot-down-for-inclusion-of-jurel-padikkal-in-test-squad-reports-700073

https://www.firstpost.com/firstcricket/sports-news/india-vs-england-test-series-rahul-dravid-quotes-ajit-agarkar-13747125.html

 

Dravid didn't ask for Jurel and Agarkar and selectors pushed for him. Dravid's lack of foresight is apparent where he backed SKY in Tests ahead of Sarfaraz, KS Bharat ahead of Jurel, and SKY in ODIs ahead of Jaiswal or Rinku. Check out Rinku's stats & performances in List A and FC cricket and it's clear he has the performances and temperament to be successful in ODIs compared to SKY.

 

I've yet to see one meaningful difference made by Dravid, be it backing the right player, or making any strategic difference. The only thing I remember him for is backing useless players like KS Bharath and Avesh Khan, backing wrong players for the formats (SKY in Tests & ODIs), and for messing up the WC 2023 final due to his "genius" plan for the pitch. He was so afraid of making tough decisions and going away from "tried and tested" seniors that he didn't even give likes of Jaiswal and Rinku a game in ODIs. And Sarfaraz who was averaging around 100 across 3 seasons in Ranji had to wait for SKY to fail to get his chance.

 

Sorry, but Dravid was absolutely useless as a coach and I'm glad he's gone.

 

Ofcourse everybody is involved in a decision and Dravid will give others credit. Thats his nature. But prove only Dravid selected Bharat can you? No one is selected without stamp of coach and captain. Selector can't 'force' them.

 

The WC final pitch played same as it did v Pak. Again you are making wild assumptions. Prove pitch was rigged on call of Dravid of you wanna make these allegations.

 

We have been mixing formats far before Dravid took over. Jadeja wasn't selected by Dravid in T20. Rahane played WT20 too based on Test performance. Similarly SKY was given chance in other formats once he established himself in the team. He scored ton too in series before WC.

 

Seniors policy is again from before his time and we still don't see Jaiswal and Rinku in ODIs. What's stopping Gambhir? Only reason they play in T20s because is because seniors retired by themselves. Why is even Sarfaras warming the bench after doing well in Eng series in Tests?

 

Dravid era dropped Saha,Ishant and other seniors and introduced Jaiswal, Akashdeep etc. In T20 the way we used Axar in WT20 was clearly his footprint. We also approached high risk batting approach under him in white ball which benefited us.

[Zero_Unit]

Because people in India (and Indians around the world) thinks they can bat better than God himself and can do a better job than Dravid. 

[Suhaan]

9 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Again you're giving too much credit to Dravid. Dravid's hands were forced by selectors...

https://www.wionews.com/sports/ajit-agarkar-put-his-foot-down-for-inclusion-of-jurel-padikkal-in-test-squad-reports-700073

https://www.firstpost.com/firstcricket/sports-news/india-vs-england-test-series-rahul-dravid-quotes-ajit-agarkar-13747125.html

 

Dravid didn't ask for Jurel and Agarkar and selectors pushed for him. Dravid's lack of foresight is apparent where he backed SKY in Tests ahead of Sarfaraz, KS Bharat ahead of Jurel, and SKY in ODIs ahead of Jaiswal or Rinku. Check out Rinku's stats & performances in List A and FC cricket and it's clear he has the performances and temperament to be successful in ODIs compared to SKY.

 

I've yet to see one meaningful difference made by Dravid, be it backing the right player, or making any strategic difference. The only thing I remember him for is backing useless players like KS Bharath and Avesh Khan, backing wrong players for the formats (SKY in Tests & ODIs), and for messing up the WC 2023 final due to his "genius" plan for the pitch. He was so afraid of making tough decisions and going away from "tried and tested" seniors that he didn't even give likes of Jaiswal and Rinku a game in ODIs. And Sarfaraz who was averaging around 100 across 3 seasons in Ranji had to wait for SKY to fail to get his chance.

 

Sorry, but Dravid was absolutely useless as a coach and I'm glad he's gone.

He wasn't useless but at times he acted as a complete chewtiya that overshadowed his pros

[rkt.india]

19 hours ago, Lord said:

because BCCI didnt want to pick Ishan. He's still not being picked.

Kishan was in the squad in SA. He opted out.

[R!TTER]

17 hours ago, Lord said:

lmao Jurel was brought in at right time by Dravid only. Earlier he was too young. 

 

'They' selected Bharat in the first place. Its hilarous how you pin everything bad on Dravid and everything good on 'they'

What was KS doing against Oz, or, for that matter, Surya Kumar? Why did we need to prepare such sh*t pitches against them? Maybe you can also explain why we consistently favored spinning tracks against Oz even in WC, even though our batting & bowling were both superior overall 

[Ultimate_Game]

10 hours ago, Suhaan said:

He wasn't useless but at times he acted as a complete chewtiya that overshadowed his pros

 

Bottom line is he wasn't a difference maker. Still hold him accountable for the WC 2023 fiasco. We had the best team and the best bowling attack. All we needed was a typical Indian pitch and we would've won. First the guy messed up in backing SKY for ODIs when he averages close to 30 in List A, and then tries to play pitch curator with the pitch and making the match toss dependent.

[Suhaan]

3 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Bottom line is he wasn't a difference maker. Still hold him accountable for the WC 2023 fiasco. We had the best team and the best bowling attack. All we needed was a typical Indian pitch and we would've won. First the guy messed up in backing SKY for ODIs when he averages close to 30 in List A, and then tries to play pitch curator with the pitch and making the match toss dependent.

He was pretty old school,took time to understand things

But when he did ,he somehow resurrected with T20 WC

But that wasn't enough at all

50 over WC was a major letdown, nothing comparable to it

[Ultimate_Game]

3 hours ago, Suhaan said:

He was pretty old school,took time to understand things

But when he did ,he somehow resurrected with T20 WC

But that wasn't enough at all

50 over WC was a major letdown, nothing comparable to it

 

Especially when all the 3 hosts prior to this WC had won at home - India in 2011, Aus in 2015 and Eng in 2019. Dravid was the one to buck the trend just like he master-minded our exit in 2007 WC.

[raki05]

On 10/13/2024 at 11:52 PM, Lord said:

 

Ofcourse everybody is involved in a decision and Dravid will give others credit. Thats his nature. But prove only Dravid selected Bharat can you? No one is selected without stamp of coach and captain. Selector can't 'force' them.

 

The WC final pitch played same as it did v Pak. Again you are making wild assumptions. Prove pitch was rigged on call of Dravid of you wanna make these allegations.

 

We have been mixing formats far before Dravid took over. Jadeja wasn't selected by Dravid in T20. Rahane played WT20 too based on Test performance. Similarly SKY was given chance in other formats once he established himself in the team. He scored ton too in series before WC.

 

Seniors policy is again from before his time and we still don't see Jaiswal and Rinku in ODIs. What's stopping Gambhir? Only reason they play in T20s because is because seniors retired by themselves. Why is even Sarfaras warming the bench after doing well in Eng series in Tests?

 

Dravid era dropped Saha,Ishant and other seniors and introduced Jaiswal, Akashdeep etc. In T20 the way we used Axar in WT20 was clearly his footprint. We also approached high risk batting approach under him in white ball which benefited us.

Kaif clearly said in one of HT articles that how him along with Sharma got afraid of aussies fast attack and tamper with the pitch where they dint allow curators to water it for a week. If you are that naive who thinks that home team don’t use pitch to their advantage and needs evidence for it than nothing more to say.. problem is dravid acted oversmart and overestimated aussises attack and screwed up the pitch. Its the same ahmedabad pitch where Gill scored double 100 soon before wc against nz , so saying pitch behaved true to its nature is wrong. India’s batting inspite of slection holler was better than other teams and almost all batters clicked till final also Indian bowlers were on another level. Have we scored around 300 we would have great opportunity but pitch was screwed so badly that we limited to below par score.

[nevada]

On 10/13/2024 at 9:04 PM, Lord said:

 

but how? We won the series with that decision.

 

Even KL in SA decision was justified with that ton. Bharat would have never done anything close. 

 

Gambhir should 'save' Indian team from one player now. Why isn't he doing it?

Gambhir is also a big believer in Rahul, having worked together with him at LSG in the IPL. 

[Adamant]

He gets a lot of respect amongst casual fans and even the cricketing fraternity.

 

He was and is a selfless man who was one of our best match winners in test cricket.

 

A bunch of frustrated low iq ICFers don’t make much of a difference.