mishra Posted August 4, 2025 Posted August 4, 2025 (edited) See, if India gives in to US pressure on oil, Then next will be Russian arms, than nxt will F-35, than nxt will ne farm and agri. Do not give in to Trump tarriff threats. Do a deal like UK. Remember: US may be acting like bully, but with each passing week makes them weaker against China and risk to number 1 spot increases Edited August 4, 2025 by mishra G_B_ 1
IndianRenegade Posted August 4, 2025 Posted August 4, 2025 Arguably the greatest FP challenge for EAM & Modi. US is a bigger super power than China & also not even during Biden did the US admin take such aggressive & direct tone against the Indian state. Let’s see. coffee_rules, pkmmamks and mishra 3
mishra Posted August 4, 2025 Posted August 4, 2025 11 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said: Arguably the greatest FP challenge for EAM & Modi. US is a bigger super power than China & also not even during Biden did the US admin take such aggressive & direct tone against the Indian state. Let’s see. Problem with Trump is this. Petrodollar means US wants everyone including Russia to sell oil in dollars. But Russia is not allowed to sell Oil in dollars for Ukraine war. And to top it, Russia is saying it’s perfectly happy to sell oil in Rubble, Indian Rupee and Chinese Renbi. Instead of Petrodollar its PetroRRR
Vancouver Posted August 4, 2025 Posted August 4, 2025 India has markedly shifted from exerting it's soft power to hard power in recent times and it is backfiring. India earned a lot of goodwill over the decades for being humble, hard working and good at assimilating, and putting value on education, family and spirituality. It transformed from enjoying reputation of being a pleasant country like Thailand, Vietnam etc to crude like China. Internet and Social Media is changing perspectives and exposing stuff which was not out in the open in past. Israel has suffered loss of face most. Majority of young American across party lines are not pro Israelis. I never thought I would see a shift during my lifetime, even people on right like Tucker Carlson are giving platform to people who are saying Israel is committing genocide and exposing Israel lobby and AIPAC. Indian IT cells are a menace, they have done so much harm to India's soft power among Muslim Arab nations. Bring so pro Israel to the extent of supporting Genocide is deplorable. Same with Russia-Ukraine conflict. Then not only killing but openly admitting killings in Pakistan and assassinations on western soil fully knowing there is no Khalistan revival in Punjab. This Jaishankar guy and other BJP buffoons are not realizing whatever they says meant for domestic audience is being broadcasted and stays on internet forever. India is still a very poor country but hysteria among Indians in last 15 years keeps getting worse. Jatboy, Nagz, pkmmamks and 1 other 3 1
mishra Posted August 4, 2025 Posted August 4, 2025 (edited) ^ you make some very valid points But apart from uS and West, probably no one is really buying Ukraine side of The war argument. And thats more than 60% of world population. No one in West apart from Governments (EU +Uk +US) who recently did a deal for cheap energy to Russian alternative (from ME nations) actually care about Gaza. In reality, Gaza is a issue , but only among Muslims of world. Even Middle Eastern Muslims know it too. Edited August 4, 2025 by mishra ravishingravi 1
ravishingravi Posted August 5, 2025 Author Posted August 5, 2025 4 hours ago, Lord said: Only truth for Indians Except that it is not truth. How do you think tax exemption and subsidies are getting funded ?
IndianRenegade Posted August 5, 2025 Posted August 5, 2025 (edited) 7 hours ago, Vancouver said: India has markedly shifted from exerting it's soft power to hard power in recent times and it is backfiring. India earned a lot of goodwill over the decades for being humble, hard working and good at assimilating, and putting value on education, family and spirituality. It transformed from enjoying reputation of being a pleasant country like Thailand, Vietnam etc to crude like China. Internet and Social Media is changing perspectives and exposing stuff which was not out in the open in past. Israel has suffered loss of face most. Majority of young American across party lines are not pro Israelis. I never thought I would see a shift during my lifetime, even people on right like Tucker Carlson are giving platform to people who are saying Israel is committing genocide and exposing Israel lobby and AIPAC. Indian IT cells are a menace, they have done so much harm to India's soft power among Muslim Arab nations. Bring so pro Israel to the extent of supporting Genocide is deplorable. Same with Russia-Ukraine conflict. Then not only killing but openly admitting killings in Pakistan and assassinations on western soil fully knowing there is no Khalistan revival in Punjab. This Jaishankar guy and other BJP buffoons are not realizing whatever they says meant for domestic audience is being broadcasted and stays on internet forever. India is still a very poor country but hysteria among Indians in last 15 years keeps getting worse. The problem is not anti Gaza stance or Indian hard power. india used hard power in Balakot, the response was more supportive of India. If you saw US statements at that time, they mostly claimed India has the right to defend itself. Problem was the war in Ukraine, US policy which until then was to slowly wean India of off Russia & into the quad needed to be fast tracked. whoever thought it was good idea to carry out ops that involved assassinations in the west & especially in the US is special kind of dumb. thats when opinion on India exercising hard power changed a bit. Indian spokespeople turned to lecturing instead of couching its justification in diplomatic language, did not help it. Trump started it off well, he offered India f35, it looks like India rebuffed the offer, didn’t give him credit for the cease fire. Trump had been really harsh on long time allies was relatively soft of on India till then. Top advisers of trump in first time were traditional republicans, top advisors of trump is racist miller. Indians or NRIs hoping for trump 1.0 didn’t understand this. Trump 1.0 was good to India because they were establishment with a sprinkle of trump. Trump 2.0 is unhinged trump with a sprinkle of establishment. India needs to realise some praise for trump is cheap, don’t get distracted by INC criticism. They want to ruin Ind-US relationship so they can use the fall out to come to power. Just praise him, give him some wins that he can parade, buy him, even the Pakistani have managed to find a way. India isn’t giving him any praise, not giving him what he wants in trade. So he is driving an hard bargain. it’s tough to handle him, especially if China gives him a few wins. There isn’t much India can give that China can’t. Edited August 5, 2025 by IndianRenegade
IndianRenegade Posted August 5, 2025 Posted August 5, 2025 Indian RW online is very reactionary for it own good. They backed trump’s horrible stolen election theories online. Until recently he could do no wrong, even though his base was virulently anti Indian. He was just doing what is good for America, when he was anti immigration & NRIs. But for trump he & America aren’t different, he has decided you haven’t given him enough deference. So India is against America, now Indian RW online think he is a pedo, he is destroying India - US relations. Really? he hardly cares about long term western, white allies. They really deluded themselves to think he cares about brown ppl. He only ever cared about their votes like he never cared about Gaza. Lone Wolf 1
pkmmamks Posted August 5, 2025 Posted August 5, 2025 (edited) 3 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Except that it is not truth. How do you think tax exemption and subsidies are getting funded ? So this govt belives in subsidies? Where is the road tax, water tax going? Nothing is being passed to the tax payer . Why is ethanol blended fuel still being charged at full price Sab Adani Ambani Edited August 5, 2025 by pkmmamks
pkmmamks Posted August 5, 2025 Posted August 5, 2025 9 hours ago, Vancouver said: India has markedly shifted from exerting it's soft power to hard power in recent times and it is backfiring. India earned a lot of goodwill over the decades for being humble, hard working and good at assimilating, and putting value on education, family and spirituality. It transformed from enjoying reputation of being a pleasant country like Thailand, Vietnam etc to crude like China. Internet and Social Media is changing perspectives and exposing stuff which was not out in the open in past. Israel has suffered loss of face most. Majority of young American across party lines are not pro Israelis. I never thought I would see a shift during my lifetime, even people on right like Tucker Carlson are giving platform to people who are saying Israel is committing genocide and exposing Israel lobby and AIPAC. Indian IT cells are a menace, they have done so much harm to India's soft power among Muslim Arab nations. Bring so pro Israel to the extent of supporting Genocide is deplorable. Same with Russia-Ukraine conflict. Then not only killing but openly admitting killings in Pakistan and assassinations on western soil fully knowing there is no Khalistan revival in Punjab. This Jaishankar guy and other BJP buffoons are not realizing whatever they says meant for domestic audience is being broadcasted and stays on internet forever. India is still a very poor country but hysteria among Indians in last 15 years keeps getting worse. Always better staying down on ground and humbly rising. On one hand we are giving subsidies and other hand there is arrogance of 4T 5T. Koi bhi hamari sadke dekh ke hansega
randomGuy Posted August 5, 2025 Posted August 5, 2025 10 hours ago, ravishingravi said: 1. It is good that India's economy will be stressed tested here. Also, Some exports to usa can be sent from 3rd country to bypass sanctions. 2. India doesn't have to be shy , to not hurt usa etc. now. 3. Sanctions will make India more robust, self reliant. 4. It brings clarity to everyone, that ultimately it is self reliance, make in India, make for India that will strengthen India. And that countries like USA, china are many a times shamelessly out there to harm indan interests supporting pakistan, jihadis in BD, possibly sabotaging plane crashes... And plus a miniscule point, some NRIs like @Vancouver will still blame indian goverment out of their biases or self interests and that they are to be ignored. coffee_rules 1
Lone Wolf Posted August 5, 2025 Posted August 5, 2025 (edited) India may as well be buying oil from US at the end of the year.. They will stop giving us jet engines otherwise both Tejas Mk1 and Mk2.. thanks to some sellout MoD Babu who had this genius idea for kickbags. They have us right by the balls. Don't buy the Junk F 35 and keep agri and dairy out of the deal. As much as I want a kick in the guts to Organtua we will have to safely negotiate this & hope that this g@ndu gets ousted in the mid term. This Deep State puppet is ruining everything . Peter Thiel ki mkc Edited August 5, 2025 by Lone Wolf
pkmmamks Posted August 5, 2025 Posted August 5, 2025 5 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: India may as well be buying oil from US at the end of the year.. They will stop giving us jet engines otherwise both Tejas Mk1 and Mk2.. thanks to some sellout MoD Babu who had this genius idea for kickbags. They have us right by the balls. Don't buy the Junk F 35 and keep agri and dairy out of the deal. As much as I want a kick in the guts to Organtua we will have to safely negotiate this & hope that this g@ndu gets ousted in the mid term. This Deep State puppet is ruining everything . Peter Thiel ki mkc Can they blanket ban Microsoft , Google, Twitter in India?? What they did with Nayara Energy. In case of a rising conflict, if they do, what is our recourse?
pkmmamks Posted August 5, 2025 Posted August 5, 2025 1 minute ago, Rajiv said: This name calling does not help in any way which ever side leader we are talking about
ravishingravi Posted August 5, 2025 Author Posted August 5, 2025 1 hour ago, pkmmamks said: So this govt belives in subsidies? Where is the road tax, water tax going? Nothing is being passed to the tax payer . Why is ethanol blended fuel still being charged at full price Sab Adani Ambani This is well and truly a revadi govt. But your points are pretty incoherent. Not sure what to respond. Water tax is passed on to the tax payer ? What economics is this ? Ethanol blended petrol doesn't make it cheaper. In fact it's highly inefficient especially on water wastage. But it just reduces dependence on petrol.
Rajiv Posted August 5, 2025 Posted August 5, 2025 57 minutes ago, pkmmamks said: This name calling does not help in any way which ever side leader we are talking about I am sure everyone is smart like you Austin 3:!6, Chaos and mishra 3
rkt.india Posted August 5, 2025 Posted August 5, 2025 1 hour ago, pkmmamks said: So this govt belives in subsidies? Where is the road tax, water tax going? Nothing is being passed to the tax payer . Why is ethanol blended fuel still being charged at full price Sab Adani Ambani Because ethanol is more expensive than petrol.
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