maniac Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) Don’t get me wrong, he is a good test cricketer. A very industrious cricketer in the Saha mould. He can be a Saha to Dhoni (Pant) type fringe/ bench cricketer. He is decent with gloves and has a very good temparament but he is not a game changer type batsman. never seen him play a great T20 kncok either. as a overall cricketing talent Jurel is better than Jitesh Sharma but you need a hack like Jitesh in 20-20. is he playing as a batsman. I can think of 10 other better T20 batsmen than him. if he is a back up keeper than where the hell is Ishan Kishen, as I mentioned above Jitesh Sharma, I would pick Pant as a batsman over him. So many options. Edited January 28 by maniac New guy, nevada and Frustrated 1 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Wrong format, just like Sundar, Jadeja. Test specialist hai. Ultimate_Game, maniac, BacktoCricaddict and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment
maniac Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, Gollum said: Wrong format, just like Sundar, Jadeja. Test specialist hai. True Axar belongs in T20 only because we don’t have a better alternative, Sundar unless opening on dustbowl type T20 pitches, offers nothing in T20. nevada and Gollum 2 Link to comment
tapandrun Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Ind never had a good t20i wkt-batter be it dhoni, pant, kishan, jitesh, jurel, even count sanju too..... They all played and got selected because they were too big to drop or they had some big IPL franchise backing them or they there was no1 else. Selectors and team kept wasting time with dhoni, pant who were not t20i batters and then kishan and jitesh who not sure are even intnl quality .... jurel is no t20 batter what are his shots ???? do not think selectors/TM know what they are doing, it like picking up some name blindly from a pack of cards Sanju found success recently but can he be trusted, seems to have problem against high quality pace maniac 1 Link to comment
tapandrun Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 18 minutes ago, maniac said: True Axar belongs in T20 only because we don’t have a better alternative, Sundar unless opening on dustbowl type T20 pitches, offers nothing in T20. Posted this multiple time no1 can play as just being an off-spinner in white-ball. off-spin has to come from a genuine batter. No other team is selecting a player who just bowls off-spin. maxwell and short does it fr Aus, livingstone does it for Eng, Asalanka do it for sl, pak had iftikar, bd had miraj who is kind of a allrounder Edited January 28 by tapandrun Gollum and maniac 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 7 minutes ago, maniac said: True Axar belongs in T20 only because we don’t have a better alternative, Sundar unless opening on dustbowl type T20 pitches, offers nothing in T20. After what he did in the WC, Axar should be a guaranteed starter in this format, especially considering next year's WC will be hosted by India/SL. BacktoCricaddict and maniac 1 1 Link to comment
BacktoCricaddict Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 16 minutes ago, tapandrun said: Ind never had a good t20i wkt-batter be it dhoni, pant, kishan, jitesh, jurel, even count sanju too..... They all played and got selected because they were too big to drop or they had some big IPL franchise backing them or they there was no1 else. We do have KL Rahul, so what are you on about ;-)? maniac, Vickydev and nevada 3 Link to comment
maniac Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 13 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: We do have KL Rahul, so what are you on about ;-)? You are scientifically 100% right with that suggestion but we have spiritually totally erased that thought from our subconscious:) BacktoCricaddict, Vickydev, Gollum and 1 other 4 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 How the heck these youngsters get injured at the same time. Tukraj can be tried. But he can be utterly selfish at times. Sai Sudarshan is not quiet good. but venky Iyer is worth looking at. He always shows intent. Link to comment
tapandrun Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 25 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: We do have KL Rahul, so what are you on about ;-)? TM/Selectors should look else where for WK-batter options, either get some1 from domestic but this is not going to happen or get some batter to keep or be the second keeper. No point in all these tried and failed bunch. The message should have gone to selectors and domestic boards that Ind needs wkt-batter for t20is and ask them to promote and push few who are good at t20s Link to comment
BacktoCricaddict Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 12 minutes ago, tapandrun said: TM/Selectors should look else where for WK-batter options, either get some1 from domestic but this is not going to happen or get some batter to keep or be the second keeper. No point in all these tried and failed bunch. The message should have gone to selectors and domestic boards that Ind needs wkt-batter for t20is and ask them to promote and push few who are good at t20s The more I read ICF, the more I feel like I need to teach a course on sarcasm recognition. I mean, I even put a winky ;-) sign. Edited January 28 by BacktoCricaddict Link to comment
BacktoCricaddict Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 49 minutes ago, Gollum said: After what he did in the WC, Axar should be a guaranteed starter in this format, especially considering next year's WC will be hosted by India/SL. Unless of course he loses form in the meantime and looks pedestrian leading up to the WC. The era of guarantees should be in the past. Gollum 1 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, tapandrun said: Posted this multiple time no1 can play as just being an off-spinner in white-ball. off-spin has to come from a genuine batter. No other team is selecting a player who just bowls off-spin. maxwell and short does it fr Aus, livingstone does it for Eng, Asalanka do it for sl, pak had iftikar, bd had miraj who is kind of a allrounder We did this even with Ashwin. Playing specialist offspinners died out 10 years ago. tapandrun 1 Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 39 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: How the heck these youngsters get injured at the same time. Tukraj can be tried. But he can be utterly selfish at times. Sai Sudarshan is not quiet good. but venky Iyer is worth looking at. He always shows intent. Don't think they're injured. These are called "tactical injuries" where the team management "niggle" certain players out to give chances to their favorites. I don't think Rinku, Parag, Ramandeep are all inured. Nitish might be but not all 4 of them. All 4 should be ahead of Sundar and Jurel in T20s. BacktoCricaddict 1 Link to comment
The Hound Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Dube is there, he should replace him Link to comment
Sandz Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Yes we have @maniac. His name is Rohit Shwarma. Frustrated 1 Link to comment
The Realist Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Ruturaj Dashrat Gaikwad? Prabhsimran Singh should get a chance based on recent performances Link to comment
StraightDrive26 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) Dhruv Jurel averages 19 in T20s at a SR of 130. Not sure which genius thought picking him in the T20I team is a great idea. He is a long format batter and he should be picked for that. He will do well in ODIs may be but not in T20s. He batted at number 8 in the second T20I, not sure what purpose that serves. If you are picking a batter and are batting him just above the tail means that you have no confidence in him in this format. I sometimes feel Gautam Gambhir has no clue about team composition etc. India got Dube in the squad as replacement, why can't he play? He at least will try to get couple of big hits away. Another greatness of Indian selectors is picking players for the wrong formats and ruin their careers as well in the process. Jurel should have been a regular in BGT in the middle order but instead he finds himself playing almost as a tailender in his least favourite format. Edited January 28 by StraightDrive26 maniac and Gollum 2 Link to comment
tapandrun Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said: We did this even with Ashwin. Playing specialist offspinners died out 10 years ago. what is surprising is that all Ind captains /selectors and coaches are/were part of IPL franchises set-up , picked their teams they and are v.clear of the template needed for t20 team and they dont follow that at all with Ind team selection. Keeper has bat in top3 unless they are some1 like puran who is proper hitter and out of top3 one should be able to bowl, bat deep, have a leg spinner if unable to get some mystery spinner and off-spin has to be bowled by a genuine batter and only when there is +ive match-up. Edited January 28 by tapandrun Gollum and Nikhil_cric 2 Link to comment
StraightDrive26 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 15 minutes ago, tapandrun said: what is surprising is that all Ind captains /selectors and coaches are/were part of IPL franchises set-up , picked their teams they and are v.clear of the template needed for t20 team and they dont follow that at all with Ind team selection. Keeper has bat in top3 unless they are some1 like puran who is proper hitter and out of top3 one should be able to bowl, bat deep, have a leg spinner if unable to get some mystery spinner and off-spin has to be bowled by a genuine batter and only when there is +ive match-up. Mystery spinners have short shelf life and everyone talks about Mendis but again his dominance of India just lasted one year. In 2008 when he was unknown he absolutely decimated India first in the Asia cup finals followed by the Test series after. A year later SL toured India in 2009 and he was absolutely hammered. When India realised that his variations they absolutely thrashed him in that series. Even Yuvraj who isn't considered great against spin took a liking to Mendis. The biggest challenge for any spinner is to not have a skill which can be found out. For example Saqlain Mushtaq wasn't a mystery spinner, he was a great off-spinner with a mystery ball. A huge difference. If you are talking about a spinner as a surprise in a major tournament then I agree may be it is a possibility but again such a bowler will not have a long career. Why just a off-spinner? Why not a very good left armer, not talking about Axar. NZ has one of the best left arm spinners currently playing in World Cricket and he is an all-format bowler. SA has Maharaj who has been doing well in all formats for them. India need to look at Sai Kishore or some other bowler who has good record in List A. Link to comment
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