Indian Test cricket needs total Revamp from scratch

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

If you say so, o respected 1000 year old sage 

 

I understand that too much reading is difficult at this age.

Listen to your sage from threta-yuga not some 1000 yr bakra sage…my kali-yuga grandapa . For 1000’s of years seen many great kingdoms fall n rise, teached Egyptians  build pyramids, raise and fall of rome and such but all i failed was to build a proper indian cricket team.

 

my new project is building a bonobo army for india to invade pakistan with help of professor @zen

Edited July 26, 2025 by Chaos

[R!TTER]

20 minutes ago, lemsip said:

Axar is even worse than Jadeja as a test spinner on flat tracks or overseas. Need people who can actually spin the ball.

Did you actually see half the lemmings here repeat the same old, same old tired trope i.e. pace is pace yaar for the last 3 tests? And berate KY for his fielding and batting, FFS Sundar is not a better bowler than Kuldeep also Jadeja's bowling has gone down massively 

[Lone Wolf]

28 minutes ago, lemsip said:

Axar is even worse than Jadeja as a test spinner on flat tracks or overseas. Need people who can actually spin the ball.

Overseas you need a specialist spinner.  Each team goes for it except India 

Kuldeep should be lone specialist spinner overseas.

 

Kuldeep 

Three genuine Pacers 

Fast bowling All rounder (Reddy/Bawa).  Bawa has higher ceiling & almost Ben Stokes level talent.  Indian domestic structure has wasted him

 

Axar can do as well as Jadeja in India SL.. and probably would bat better as well.

Edited July 26, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[lemsip]

28 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Jadeja's bowling has gone down massively

Jadeja has been touring England since 2014 and he has always been ineffective here. Nothing has changed in his bowling on that front. He continues to play as the frontline spinner because he can hold a bat. What has changed is that his batting has improved but the fast bowling which India used to base the attack on is on a decline. Today a bowling attack where Jadeja continues to be a frontline bowler is not one that is likely to consistently take 20 wickets.

Edited July 26, 2025 by lemsip

[Gollum]

India is the only team that can bench Kuldeep, what has Thakur done this series? KD can't do better than that Kamboj dude? 

[lemsip]

8 minutes ago, Gollum said:

India is the only team that can bench Kuldeep, what has Thakur done this series? KD can't do better than that Kamboj dude? 

Indian junta and media keeps getting high on nostalgia. Past records, even when mediocre, keep giving reasons for selection. They keep harking back to Thakur from when he was 4 years younger as if he had Ian Botham level all round skills. He was a marginal bowler at the best of times and is now an unfit trundler who still doesn't have any control.

Edited July 26, 2025 by lemsip

[tweaker]

After the losses to  New Zealand, Australia, England, Gambhir and his full assistants should be sacked.

 

He has some agenda against certain players and is hell bent on destroying their career.

 

Sarfaraz ,Eashwaran, Kuldeep should have played some marches ,but he is keen to throw them out of the squad. 

 

I believe if the same team had played under different coach the results would have been different. 

 

The one who watched Kamboj bowl and made his debut should be sacked immediately as it shows he doesnt have any knowledge about player,conditions,opposition etc.

 

This idea of playing allrounder should stopped.Instead select batsman who can bowl ie Parag,Rinku instead of Sundar,Shardul, Reddy. 

[express bowling]

Defensive mindset and fear of failure are driving playing 11 and even squad selections.

 

TM can't trust the top 7 batters and hence choosing bits and pieces players at 8. Weakening the bowling as a result. 

 

TM can't trust the weakened bowling ( due to the step above ) and end up choosing bits and pieces players at 6 and 7, who can bowl a bit and give 6 bowling options. Weakening the batting as a result.

 

Loop continues.

 

Vicious cycle.

[tweaker]

The team needs players who are resilient,can perform under pressure, have characters.ie Pant and not like players ie Karun,Sai ,who looked in terrible in pressure and put extra pressure on the whole team.

 

The team should have players with attitude,arrogance,self belief ie Pant,Sarfaraz, than timid,low confidence ie Karun,Sai,Kamboj ,Prasiddh 

[lemsip]

2 minutes ago, tweaker said:

The team should have players with attitude,arrogance,self belief ie Pant,Sarfaraz, than timid,low confidence ie Karun,Sai,Kamboj ,Prasiddh 

That sounds great but you should see the amount of abuse Pant gets when he takes risks. The Indian team management is not that different from the fan base and the media. They instinctively have safety first, low risk, don't rock the boat type mindsets which value norstalgia over current performance. It's not a great surprise when over time the players and TM revert to that default mode.

[Gollum]

30 minutes ago, tweaker said:

The team needs players who are resilient,can perform under pressure, have characters.ie Pant and not like players ie Karun,Sai ,who looked in terrible in pressure and put extra pressure on the whole team.

 

The team should have players with attitude,arrogance,self belief ie Pant,Sarfaraz, than timid,low confidence ie Karun,Sai,Kamboj ,Prasiddh 

Looks can be deceiving. Pujara always looked meek, but was a warrior, put his body on the line to win us BGT. Rahane subdued but great leadership qualities. 

 

From previous era, Laxman looked like a deer most times, but was the most clutch player in the team, probably of all time in Indian cricket. 

 

Problem with Karun, Prasidh etc. is they don't have the ability any more, or never had. Sai too early to say, just a 23 yo, even Kohli looked out of sorts the first time in 2011 WI tour. Kamboj is getting hate but he may come back in the future, can't write off people based on one bad test....could be nerves, or inexperience. 

[putrevus]

I see all players from captain caring about test cricket. Gill needed to get help from his coach which he is not getting that is the main reason for this situation.

 

If you remove Gambhir and bring any competent coach, the team gets better in an instant.

 

First goal in test cricket is taking 20 wickets.

 

This idiotic combination of 4 batsman and 6 bowlers is useless.  

 

 

[deepdynamo]

The fascintaion with AR must stop immediatly.

 

Get 6 batsman + Pant + 4 proper bowler. Go back to the traditional way and build test side that way.

That mean No Jadeja. No Thakur. No Nitish. No Washington.

 

 

Edited July 26, 2025 by deepdynamo

[Prabhdeep Singh]

SAI IS SO RUBBISH, probably picked due to Gujrat Titans connection, does not average 40 in FC god knows how is batting for India at no 3.

 

Karun & SAI jumped the queue, Easwaran should debut in Oval.

 

The new players SAI and Karun have done nothing, replacing Virat & Rohit.

 

The players who have scored in the series were already in the team.

 

Edited July 26, 2025 by Prabhdeep Singh

[putrevus]

Which idiot selected Sai, the moment I saw him bat, I thought there is nothing special about him.. Why was Sarfraz dropped for these bozos like Sai and Nair.

 

Tilak Verma is better prospect than him any day.

[Sooda]

7 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Inclined to keep the core group in batting intact.

We don't have many Test class batters in India anyways 

 

Pitches need to be better.  Prepare seaming tracks for Windies tests.

 

Pick Pacers who can bowl close to 140

 

Harshit Bumrah Siraj (find anyone like Simarjeet Gurnoor, Yudhvir etc)

Taller Pacers must be non floaty when they pitch it full.  Kuldeep Sen is non floaty.

 

A fast bowling All rounder ... Fast-track Raj Bawa learn on the job basis 

 

Sundar Kuldeep Axar to be our frontline spinners 

 

Retire Fraudeja 

 

Sack Gambhir..  strict instructions to Morkel to scout fast bowlers bypassing Agarkar and sack Agarkar along the way.

 

 

 

Not sure about preparation of seaming tracks. Out batting is poor Vs spin but our spin bowling is still strong at home, we don't want to lose out on our only strength. An attack of Axar, Sundar and Kuldeep at home is fire.

 

They way to get stronger Vs pace when touring is not by giving up our home advantage. We need to give our selves a few weeks to acclimatise play A team matches which to be fair we kinda did this time

 

And anyway the soil at home means it'll seam for about an hour and then become flat as a pancake 

 

 

[Sooda]

29 minutes ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

SAI IS SO RUBBISH, probably picked due to Gujrat Titans connection, does not average 40 in FC god knows how is batting for India at no 3.

 

Karun & SAI jumped the queue, Easwaran should debut in Oval.

 

The new players SAI and Karun have done nothing, replacing Virat & Rohit.

 

The players who have scored in the series were already in the team.

 

Agree it was poor this time but He literally scored 60 odd last innings 

[Sooda]

39 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

The fascintaion with AR must stop immediatly.

 

Get 6 batsman + Pant + 4 proper bowler. Go back to the traditional way and build test side that way.

That mean No Jadeja. No Thakur. No Nitish. No Washington.

 

 

 

Yep.

[BacktoCricaddict]

7 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Inclined to keep the core group in batting intact.

We don't have many Test class batters in India anyways 

 

Pitches need to be better.  Prepare seaming tracks for Windies tests.

 

Pick Pacers who can bowl close to 140

 

Harshit Bumrah Siraj (find anyone like Simarjeet Gurnoor, Yudhvir etc)

Taller Pacers must be non floaty when they pitch it full.  Kuldeep Sen is non floaty.

 

A fast bowling All rounder ... Fast-track Raj Bawa learn on the job basis 

 

Sundar Kuldeep Axar to be our frontline spinners 

 

Retire Fraudeja 

 

Sack Gambhir..  strict instructions to Morkel to scout fast bowlers bypassing Agarkar and sack Agarkar along the way.

 

 

Sack Morkel too. GhanTaa scout karega. Make Bharat Arun an offer he can't refuse.

[BacktoCricaddict]

6 hours ago, Gollum said:

4 home tests against WI, RSA later this year.

 

Brave thing will be to let go of remaining seniors (KL, Jaddu) as well and go with a new look team. 

 

Against WI in October....

 

Jaiswal

Easwaran (don't give him a long rope, just a couple of chances)

Sai

Gill

Pant

Sarfu/Iyer

Washi

Axar/Bawa

Kuldeep

Rana/Akash

Bumrah/Siraj

 

15 members here, Jurel as backup keeper. Total 16, enough for a home series. 

There should be a / with Sai, too. Not sure who, but he's not a lock.