putrevus Posted July 28 Posted July 28 10 minutes ago, express bowling said: Not necessarily. Lots of facts are stated too / can be stated too. I stated facts only of Jurel stinking as batsman with his avg of 8.
Lord Posted July 28 Posted July 28 47 minutes ago, express bowling said: As far as I remember, Sarfraz was picked for India A after that leak issue. And there are literally 10s of players who play India A although they are not wanted in the Senior Team. No. High chance Kamboj and Nabi are not wanted by the Coach but they are playing for India A. Remember Kohli saying that Easwaran is not good enough for tests but he kept getting picked for India A. Panchal too. What happens is .... if player X is liked / wanted by any TM .... he usually gets to play for India A. But TMs don't get to pick the entire A-team squad. Agree. Easwaran was selected for India squad too once or twice just not in the XI. Ideally India A should have players that selectors are auditioning for the main role. Everyone from that won’t play for India but that is the process. If someone is shadow banned and not considered for top selection at all, it will be wasting a spot in India A If I am not wrong he is still performing well in Ranjis
Manucrick Posted July 28 Posted July 28 Dhruv Jurel really needs to step up in the Sri Lanka series Outside of his debut against England and that Test century against the West Indies he hasn't had many standout performances Let's see if he can capitalize on this opportunity
express bowling Posted July 28 Posted July 28 52 minutes ago, putrevus said: I stated facts only of Jurel stinking as batsman with his avg of 8. Jurel averages 34.1 in tests overall. And that is the relevant fact. Keeping usually reduces averages due to the tiredness factor. If your sample size is just 4 tests as pure batsman, what relevance does it have ! Mosher and rollingstoned 2
putrevus Posted July 28 Posted July 28 2 minutes ago, express bowling said: Jurel averages 34.1 in tests overall. And that is the relevant fact. Keeping usually reduces averages due to the tiredness factor. If your sample size is just 4 tests as pure batsman, what relevance does it have ! 34.1 after ten tests in awful out of which he played 4 tests as batsman. Anyway you look at Jurel , he is backup keeper. Sarfraz only played 6 tests and he has been kicked to curb for a guy like Jurel. Jurel is not a batsman.
express bowling Posted July 28 Posted July 28 1 minute ago, putrevus said: 34.1 after ten tests in awful out of which he played 4 tests as batsman. Kohli averaged 32.7 after 8 tests. Would you call it awful too ? I remember debating in his favour at that point in time when many called him a white ball specialist. 1 minute ago, putrevus said: Anyway you look at Jurel , he is backup keeper. Sarfraz only played 6 tests and he has been kicked to curb for a guy like Jurel. Jurel is not a batsman. Judging someone after a few games is not a prudent thing to do. Unless you spot something like poor technique or slow reflexes in a batsman or low pace in a pacer, or no spin or zip in a spinner. In which case he should not be picked in the first place. And this is not the case with Jurel. Infact it is the other way round. Jurel or any other newbie can fail due to poor temperament, which becomes evident only after a decent run. And if it turns out to be the case he should be dropped. rollingstoned and Mosher 2
putrevus Posted July 28 Posted July 28 (edited) 9 minutes ago, express bowling said: Kohli averaged 32.7 after 8 tests. Would you call it awful too ? I remember debating in his favour at that point in time when many called him a white ball specialist. Judging someone after a few games is not a prudent thing to do. Unless you spot something like poor technique or slow reflexes in a batsman or low pace in a pacer, or no spin or zip in a spinner. In which case he should not be picked in the first place. And this is not the case with Jurel. Infact it is the other way round. Jurel or any other newbie can fail due to poor temperament, which becomes evident only after a decent run. And if it turns out to be the case he should be dropped. Kohli , Gill, and even Sachin averaged in 30s after 8 tests. They all were persisted for a reason. Jurel can he replicate the high of other 3 even if he plays another 50 tests. As long as Pant is there Jurel has only place as a batsman. The answer is no, so why waste time on guy . You don't keep on wasting time on guys like him . Ten tests in good enough sample to prove your worth. Edited July 28 by putrevus
express bowling Posted July 28 Posted July 28 1 minute ago, putrevus said: Kohli , Gill, and even Sachin averaged in 30s after 8 tests. Jurel can he replicate the high of other 3 The answer is no, And this " No answer " is based on the fact that he can keep ? Very few will reach Tendulkar's level ... but averaging in the mid 40s, like Gill and Kohli, is not beyond him. Mosher 1
putrevus Posted July 28 Posted July 28 3 minutes ago, express bowling said: And this " No answer " is based on the fact that he can keep ? Very few will reach Tendulkar's level ... but averaging in the mid 40s, like Gill and Kohli, is not beyond him. Oh really??? He will do well to reach 30 avg as a batsman alone first.
express bowling Posted July 28 Posted July 28 1 minute ago, putrevus said: Oh really??? He will do well to reach 30 avg as a batsman alone first. I will take his overall average of 34.1 and see if it goes up past 40. If yes, he stays .... if no, he goes. Mosher 1
Lone Wolf Posted July 28 Author Posted July 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Jurel averages 34.1 in tests overall. And that is the relevant fact. Keeping usually reduces averages due to the tiredness factor. If your sample size is just 4 tests as pure batsman, what relevance does it have ! Jurel has only got one full series as a player... That too vs SA when entire team collectively failed. He only gets an odd test overseas otherwise. 1 game in Eng, 1 in Australia. That's not easy for anyone. Did look decent in Oval, nice cameo. Only 1 inns in Perth on a absolute minefield. Scored few good shots.. didn't get a Chance in second inns and then dropped for remainder of the tour Edited July 28 by Lone Wolf express bowling and singhvivek141 2
ungboysj Posted July 29 Posted July 29 10 hours ago, express bowling said: And this " No answer " is based on the fact that he can keep ? Very few will reach Tendulkar's level ... but averaging in the mid 40s, like Gill and Kohli, is not beyond him. You are classic pump and dumper Will pump ordinary players when not in team dn when they fail you dump them Jurel is a not a pure bat neither is pant there is a reason they took wicketkeeping so that they get selected
singhvivek141 Posted July 29 Posted July 29 3 hours ago, ungboysj said: You are classic pump and dumper Will pump ordinary players when not in team dn when they fail you dump them Jurel is a not a pure bat neither is pant there is a reason they took wicketkeeping so that they get selected And the logic behind that is ? Anyone can throw random statements that Rohit or Kohli weren't good in bowling and hence they took batting to get selected. Richard Hadlee wasn't a pure bowler and hence he took batting to get selected. Wicket keeping is a specialized position in the ground, where you need absolute best coz that player is almost 100% of the time involved in the game. It takes immense mental strength, physical agility and concentration coz one drop by a keeper can change the course of the game (on the other hand, catches taken by him are easily forgotten). Usually, the keepers become better with the bat once they leave the gloves, shows how challenging keeping is. So, I would say Pant and Jurel are actually punching below their capability due to the extra pressure of keeping. Sangakkara avg 66 as pure bat, 40 as a wk-bat. Alec Stewart avgs 47 and 35 respectively. Jos Butler avgs 36 and 30. Baz has 45 and 34. Only exceptions to the rule are ABD and Andy Flower...but Andy flower was in his heydays when he gave up keeping. ABD is a true exception. JaFanatic, express bowling and New guy 3
AKane Posted July 29 Posted July 29 On 7/28/2026 at 1:06 AM, express bowling said: On 7/28/2026 at 12:48 AM, Lord said: Needed another batsman. They have 8 options for top 6. More importantly they have the peerless KL (as VC too!). Suhaan and express bowling 2
AKane Posted July 29 Posted July 29 22 hours ago, putrevus said: Oh really??? He will do well to reach 30 avg as a batsman alone first. An incredibly popular Krish Srikkanth averaged 29.88 in 43 tests. A full 8 odd less than the much reviled Rahane!! Averages are overrated as far as popularity goes.
Lord Posted July 29 Posted July 29 7 minutes ago, AKane said: More importantly they have the peerless KL (as VC too!). Hes alright in Tests express bowling 1
AKane Posted July 29 Posted July 29 18 minutes ago, Lord said: Hes alright in Tests Averages 2 less than Rahane in 68 tests.
New guy Posted July 29 Posted July 29 13 hours ago, ungboysj said: You are classic pump and dumper Will pump ordinary players when not in team dn when they fail you dump them Jurel is a not a pure bat neither is pant there is a reason they took wicketkeeping so that they get selected Pant has been the best and most consistent test batsmen for us for over 7+ years now. What on earth are you babbling about dude. singhvivek141, Suhaan, express bowling and 1 other 4
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