Why is Dhruv Jurel playing as a pure batsman in our test team?

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

.. which puts him in the ballpark of some ATG pure batsmen (e.g. VK 46.85 and VVSL 45.97), plus the multiple clutch matchwinnng knocks. If he decides to stop keeping tomorrow I would still keep him as the #5. 

 

In our 94 year test match history, among retired batsmen with 3000+ test runs, ONLY 7 of them average more than 44.

[putrevus]

3 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

.. which puts him in the ballpark of some ATG pure batsmen (e.g. VK 46.85 and VVSL 45.97), plus the multiple clutch matchwinnng knocks. If he decides to stop keeping tomorrow I would still keep him as the #5. 

Wow nice way to extrapoliate Pants 50 test to VK's123 tests. AT 50 test mark VK had avg of 54 and rising.

 

Pant on other hand has never sniffed 50 avg.So Pant being WK is his strength plus question is not about Pant's batting spot.

 

It is about bits and piece player like Jurel playing as a batsman when better options are there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Wow nice way to extrapoliate Pants 50 test to VK's123 tests. AT 50 test mark VK had avg of 54 and rising.

 

Pant on other hand has never sniffed 50 avg.So Pant being WK is his strength plus question is not about Pant's batting spot.

 

It is about bits and piece player like Jurel playing as a batsman when better options are there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

i have no issue with replacing Jurel with Sarfaraz or Yash Rathod or someone else at #6. But there is no reason to denigrate Pant's abilities and contributions to make that case. He is in rarified territory as a pure batter already, regardless of who bats at 6. 

[vvvslaxman]

If they use the same yardstick both shoudln't be playing. But sarfraz has lesser rope in comparison. Sarfraz has 3 fifties 1 century in 11 innings.  Jurel has 1 fifty and 1 century in 16 innings. 

 

[putrevus]

7 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

i have no issue with replacing Jurel with Sarfaraz or Yash Rathod or someone else at #6. But there is no reason to denigrate Pant's abilities and contributions to make that case. He is in rarified territory as a pure batter already, regardless of who bats at 6. 

I never denigrated Pant's ability. .He is best WK batsman after Adam Gilchrist.But IMO he would be a bigger weapon at number 6.I still feel he has a role in odis too he is far better option than meek KL Rahul.His 125 in deciding odi is England is still best odi 100 hundred by Indian batsmen in England.

Edited August 16 by putrevus

[Nikhil_cric]

3 hours ago, tweaker said:

Sarfaraz was not given opportunity in Australia test series.

He scored a century in England against England A.But after that he was continuously ignored.

Jurel is now playing as a specialist batsman as Pant is the wicket keeper batsman.

He scored 92.  In the same innings, Karun Nair scored a double hundred. And I was against even Nair's inclusion

 

I don't agree with Jurel playing as a pure batsman.  

 

But I think he did well on the India A tour of SL and they've just backed him. 

[express bowling]

34 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

I don't agree with Jurel playing as a pure batsman.  

 

But I think he did well on the India A tour of SL and they've just backed him. 

 

 

On our Australia 2024-25 tour, during the red ball practice matches, both Indians and Australians were pretty impressed with Jurel's technique on quick, bouncy seaming pitches.

 

This, coupled with his high FC average of 55 and highest of 249, and clean hitting against top pacers in the IPL, was why they started backing him. And then he did well for India A. 

 

It's quite possible that he may fail at test level due to temperament issues. Happens to more than half the young batters introduced. T20 bad habits play a part too these days.

 

Bur there was and is definitely some merit in giving him a go.

 

 

Edited August 15 by express bowling

[Lord]

I hope he keeps wickets now. Clearly better keeper than Pant

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

I hope he keeps wickets now. Clearly better keeper than Pant

Anal-yst 

[tweaker]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

It's quite possible that he may fail at test level due to temperament issues.

He has issues again off spinners.He fell to Harmer four times in 2 test and also fell to offspinner in last practice match 

[test fan]

When the two of them play together, he performs better than Pant in Tests.

[putrevus]

He is very suspect against spin bowling , was dropped at 29 scored some freebies against wayward Kumara. 

 

He came to bat when India was in such a strong position.If he is best batting talent India has then god save this team.

Edited August 16 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, test fan said:

When the two of them play together, he performs better than Pant in Tests.

Pant  is a far superior batsman though. He just gifts his wickets. But despite playing percentage, conventional cricket Jurel is not exactly steting the stage on fire. You gotta score more 100s. He is a decent batsman. But decent enough to pip every single specialist batsman in India? Not sure. Smaran,Yash thakur, Sarfraz have done very well for their side. 

[Texan]

Jurel averages 13 after 5 Tests when he is not the designated wicket-keeper. This is after his 50 in current innings. Clearly he is not cut out as a pure batsman alone.

He is a good backup keeper option. Why would one play a keeper as a specialist batsman when you already have a specialist batsman in the squad, Sarfaraz who could have taken his place?

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

He is very suspect against spin bowling , was dropped at 29 scored some freebies against wayward Kumara. 

 

He came to bat when India was in such a strong position.If he is best batting talent India has then god save this team.

Lol ball was gripping a lot more when he came to bat as it was new ball.. and dropped chance wasn't even a chance, he slashed a cut shot which no one can realistically take at such close quarter.

Keep coping dude scores clutch runs.

 

[Lone Wolf]

15 minutes ago, Texan said:

Sarfaraz who could have taken his place

When both have played at India A and senior level... Jurel is more than a match for unfit Sarfaraz who can't play spin on a vicious turning tracks as we saw vs Eng in Ranchi and vs NZ at home.

 

Vs Pace it's a no contest really 

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Lol ball was gripping a lot more when he came to bat as it was new ball.. and dropped chance wasn't even a chance, he slashed a cut shot which no one can realistically take at such close quarter.

Keep coping dude scores clutch runs.

 

Trying to stop laughing at your nonsense.

 

Second, I don't have any personal agenda against him.So if he scores which I doubt he will and becomes good I will be happy to be proven wrong.

 

He scored 50 not 150.Those are not clutch runs.Even guy like Siraj scored in double digits.

[express bowling]

16 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Lol ball was gripping a lot more when he came to bat as it was new ball.. and dropped chance wasn't even a chance, he slashed a cut shot which no one can realistically take at such close quarter.

 dude scores clutch runs.

 

 

Really liked Jurel's composure as a batsman today. Batting was more difficult, many balls were turning 4 deg  and we scored 172 for 7 today. Jurel looked the most assured and played strokes freely. 51 out of 172 was good. 

 

Don't know how that was a catch !  It was a fierce cut which hit the slip fielder on the chest.

[Texan]

39 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

When both have played at India A and senior level... Jurel is more than a match for unfit Sarfaraz who can't play spin on a vicious turning tracks as we saw vs Eng in Ranchi and vs NZ at home.

 

Vs Pace it's a no contest really 

Have you even looked at Sarfaraz of late? Did you miss the stunning catches he took in the IPL?

 

Jurel can't play on turning tracks as well as we saw in the Tests vs SA. I don't have a problem with him as a backup keeper. He seems like a competent option for that. He is just not specialist batsman material from what we have seen so far. 

[singhvivek141]

9 minutes ago, Texan said:

Have you even looked at Sarfaraz of late? Did you miss the stunning catches he took in the IPL?

 

Jurel can't play on turning tracks as well as we saw in the Tests vs SA. I don't have a problem with him as a backup keeper. He seems like a competent option for that. He is just not specialist batsman material from what we have seen so far. 

 

Jurel as a keeper did fantabulous job as well.

That usually goes unnoticed.

He even fields at Short leg and have taken some blinders whenever Pant keeps.