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Laaloo Grand Master

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From the disdaining of Matter and the physical by her yogis, which triggered the great Tamas; the stiffening of the caste system; the fossilisation of its society; and the first foreign incursion by Alexander. To the successive Muslim invasions, which would have wiped out any culture, any civilisation in 10 centuries of furious onslaughts. Yet India's spirituality survived, it was preserved by its people in their hearts, when their temples were destroyed, in their flesh when it was burnt, in their souls, when they were killed. And they were reborn again and again, to fight for the continuation of true Hinduism. India also survived the immense threat of European colonialism, which has annihilated the souls of so many countries, some more powerful than India. The British came, conquered... understood nothing... left nothing... and India's spirituality remained. It survived the cruel partition of its ancient land, tearing its limbs into Pakistan and Bangladesh; any other nation might never have recovered from such a maiming. It survived the road to socialism charted by Nehru, the stifling oppression of state bureaucracy and corruption. It survived the dangerous politics of non violence, which Mahatma Gandhi propounded for so long and which activated not only the division of India along Hindu-Muslim lines, but also sowed the seeds of inter-caste fighting. It survived the Mahatma's sterile policies of Charkha, Brahmacharya and Khadi. It survived the Chinese onslaught in 1962. It survives today the Hindu-bashing of its westernised elite, which is all set to wipe out whatever is left of Hinduism, to replace it with prototypes that have already shown the world over their total failure. It is also hoped that it is going to survive economic liberalisation, the onslaught of modernity and the egotism of becoming a powerful nation. And finally that it will also survive the ecological holocaust that is taking place in this country. And if it survives all these dangers, as it survived other dangers for 7000 years, then India will enter the 21st century not only as a world power, industrially, socially and militarily, but also as the only nation in the world where true spirituality will still be alive. - Sri Aurdobindo Happy Independence Day :isalute:

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My OP was not well thought out and has had the opposite effect of what I had intended. So I apologise for any unintended offence my OP has caused and I retract my OP. What I had intended to say was, yes it is all well and good that we achieved our independence but have we utilised our freedom properly given where we are now as a nation? Were we as a nation really ready for independence / democracy?

Trichromatic Grand Master

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What I had intended to say was, yes it is all well and good that we achieved our independence but have we utilised our freedom properly given where we are now as a nation?
No.
Were we as a nation really ready for independence / democracy?
Probably yes.
ravishingravi Grand Master

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Q1 : How is Sunita Williams "Indian"? She isn't born in India, she hasn't studied here, she doesn't work here. If her paternal ancestry is from India and that makes her Indian then she must be Slovenian too because her maternal roots are from Slovenia. For me, she's a first class American citizen and American ONLY. What makes us take that from USA? Q2 : For people who are no longer working in India or have settled outside India (for good and don't see a forseeable future to return back to India in the next say 5-10 years) - How much sense does it make for you to celebrate Independence Day? Sure you appreciate that you are a product of the country and your forefathers gave their lives for you to be free but you left the very same place for a better opportunity outside India.
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coffee_rules Grand Master

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Q1 : How is Sunita Williams "Indian"? She isn't born in India, she hasn't studied here, she doesn't work here. If her paternal ancestry is from India and that makes her Indian then she must be Slovenian too because her maternal roots are from Slovenia. For me, she's a first class American citizen and American ONLY. What makes us take that from USA? Q2 : For people who are no longer working in India or have settled outside India (for good and don't see a forseeable future to return back to India in the next say 5-10 years) - How much sense does it make for you to celebrate Independence Day? Sure you appreciate that you are a product of the country and your forefathers gave their lives for you to be free but you left the very same place for a better opportunity outside India.
Q2 ..is it a troll question or a serious one? So, you marry a girl and move out of the house, will you disown your parents?
Crookbond Newbie

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Q2 ..is it a troll question or a serious one? So, you marry a girl and move out of the house, will you disown your parents?
:dontknow: how that scenario compares here! It's a genuine question mate - I know it's very cruel but think about it and give me an answer. I am looking for reasons - and I would ask this to anyone who has left a country and settled in another. For example, half of the English cricket team. Is there an answer apart from nostalgia and the fact that you were born here?
Laaloo Grand Master

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Q2 : For people who are no longer working in India or have settled outside India (for good and don't see a forseeable future to return back to India in the next say 5-10 years) - How much sense does it make for you to celebrate Independence Day? Sure you appreciate that you are a product of the country and your forefathers gave their lives for you to be free but you left the very same place for a better opportunity outside India.
I've been living in the US for the past 12 years, and yet I still haven't forgotten my roots with the country that has given me so much. A country which has given me the knowledge to always strive for something higher at least in the spiritual aspect. Hinduism was never meant to be a religion nor was it meant to be for Indians only. In the past 12 years, I have practiced and enjoyed it freely. I'm happy I left India, except for the fact that most of my family still resides and will reside in India, but because it made me appreciate India even more. So why can I not celebrate Independence day? I actually know how we got our independence. I know about Chanakya, Shivaj,, freedom fighters from Jhansi ki Rani, to Veer Savarkar to Lokmanya tilak, and so many more. How many youths in India today know about them? Most Indian, if given the opportunity, would gladly leave India today for a better opportunity. Edit: Would have loved to organize my thoughts better and expressed more freely, but I'm still on the learning curve.
Crookbond Newbie

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I've been living in the US for the past 12 years, and yet I still haven't forgotten my roots with the country that has given me so much. A country which has given me the knowledge to always strive for something higher at least in the spiritual aspect. Hinduism was never meant to be a religion nor was it meant to be for Indians only. In the past 12 years, I have practiced and enjoyed it freely. I'm happy I left India, except for the fact that most of my family still resides and will reside in India, but because it made me appreciate India even more. So why can I not celebrate Independence day? I actually know how we got our independence. I know about Chanakya, Shivaj,, freedom fighters from Jhansi ki Rani, to Veer Savarkar to Lokmanya tilak, and so many more. How many youths in India today know about them? Most Indian, if given the opportunity, would gladly leave India today for a better opportunity. Edit: Would have loved to organize my thoughts better and expressed more freely, but I'm still on the learning curve.
First, you are free to do what you want to. I have no problem with even Zaid Hamid celebrating Indian Independence Day. I am not questioning that one bit - please feel free to celebrate. I am trying to understand the logic behind the celebration for people who have left India for better opportunities abroad. Second, please don't bring "Hinduism" or any religion into it! Please I beg of you :pray: No religion (no matter what you think about it) is exclusive. So, your answer is - nostalgia, knowledge of history, knowing your roots, family in India. OK - I am still looking for better answers though. Lets see if I can get any.
veer Newbie

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I left India when I was 17 and been living in US for last 14 years.. I didnt have a choice but to leave India with my parents.. but they left because they couldnt afford lakhs of rupees to put me or my brother through college.. but dont tell me It doesnt make sense to celebrate India's Independence.. NRIs, on avg, has done more for India than Indians living in India... Financially NRIs remitt money to India like no other country.. If there is flood or earthquake, NRIs empty their pockets while some Indians living in India make money out of it. There are atleast 5 big time organizations running that educate children in Indian villages but 90% of that money comes from Indians. Culture wise NRIs are preserving religious/culture/spiritual values while Indians back home aping western culture. Now I dont know how the 2nd or 3rd generation of NRI kids going to react on your statement.. but it certainly doesnt go well with people like me. :)

Clarke Mentor

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Q1 : How is Sunita Williams "Indian"? She isn't born in India, she hasn't studied here, she doesn't work here. If her paternal ancestry is from India and that makes her Indian then she must be Slovenian too because her maternal roots are from Slovenia. For me, she's a first class American citizen and American ONLY. What makes us take that from USA? Q2 : For people who are no longer working in India or have settled outside India (for good and don't see a forseeable future to return back to India in the next say 5-10 years) - How much sense does it make for you to celebrate Independence Day? Sure you appreciate that you are a product of the country and your forefathers gave their lives for you to be free but you left the very same place for a better opportunity outside India.
Maybe since its hard to erase all of a sudden what has been one's identity since birth. Even in the case of Sunita Williams, there's a high probability she interacted with a lot of Indian Americans since childhood and her looks, mother tongue, diet etc did not completely change since she was born in the US.
CG Collaborator

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I left India when I was 17 and been living in US for last 14 years.. I didnt have a choice but to leave India with my parents.. but they left because they couldnt afford lakhs of rupees to put me or my brother through college.. but dont tell me It doesnt make sense to celebrate India's Independence.. NRIs, on avg, has done more for India than Indians living in India... Financially NRIs remitt money to India like no other country.. If there is flood or earthquake, NRIs empty their pockets while some Indians living in India make money out of it. There are atleast 5 big time organizations running that educate children in Indian villages but 90% of that money comes from Indians. Culture wise NRIs are preserving religious/culture/spiritual values while Indians back home aping western culture. Now I dont know how the 2nd or 3rd generation of NRI kids going to react on your statement.. but it certainly doesnt go well with people like me. :)
:hysterical::hysterical::haha::--D Seriously hope you are joking or you are joking.
EnterTheVoid Mentor

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NRIs' date=' on avg, has done more for India than Indians living in India... Financially NRIs remitt money to India like no other country.. If there is flood or earthquake, NRIs empty their pockets while some Indians living in India make money out of it. There are atleast 5 big time organizations running that educate children in Indian villages but 90% of that money comes from Indians. Culture wise NRIs are preserving religious/culture/spiritual values while Indians back home aping western culture. Now I dont know how the 2nd or 3rd generation of NRI kids going to react on your statement.. but it certainly doesnt go well with people like me. :)[/quote'] Good point! Living overseas for 20+ years but Independence day is still important.
veer Newbie

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:hysterical::hysterical::haha::--D Seriously hope you are joking or you are joking.
ummm let me guess.. you are a teenager?
CG Collaborator

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ummm let me guess.. you are a teenager?
Yes sir.Regarding your first point about leaving india as education is not affordable atleast as far as i have given jee exams and got good rank ,You get admisson for free and then yearly fees of around 50k in btech,barch,mba ,Govt instituions charge even less. If you believe that nris are helping india by fdi or some other cause its mostly to take advantage of rules and facilities offered to nris not for some change of heart.Provide some data about contribution of nris in prime minister relief fund.
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