BeautifulGame Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 Chennai/Bangalore: The sharing of Cauvery river water between Karnataka and Tamil Nadu is heading for another flashpoint with protests and politics picking on both sides of the border again. The toughest position so far has been taken by DMK chief M Karunanidhi, who has asked the Prime Minister to take a call on invoking Article 356 and put the BJP-ruled Karnataka under Central rule. The DMK is the second-largest partner in the UPA alliance at the Centre. Political temperatures have shot up after Karnataka yesterday said it had stopped the flow of water into Tamil Nadu after Supreme Court deferred hearing Bangalore's plea for a review of the decision by the Cauvery River Authority (CRA). Karnataka has said that the level of water in the Krishna Raja Sagar dam, from where water is released into Tamil Nadu was too low for more to be released. The Tamil Nadu government today said that it will file a contempt of court suit against Karnataka for not following the Supreme Court's order to follow the CRA ruling. Farmers in the delta region of Tamil Nadu need at least 80 Thousand Million Cubic (TMC) of water to save the standing Samba crop in more than two lakh acres. Presently there's just 30 TMC water in the Stanley reservoir in Mettur. Farmers had to give up their earlier short-term Kuruvai crop due to failure of the south-west monsoon. Many are worried that if this long term crop too fails, it would lead to a huge blow to their livelihood. The stopping of water yesterday has sparked off political protests including those by DMK Chief Mr Karunanidhi, PMK Founder Dr Ramadoss and MDMK Chief Vaiko. Elaborating on his demand for Central rule in Karnataka, Mr Karunanishi said, "This is not a case of vendetta, but it should be a lesson for other states in the future. Tamil Nadu's fields shouldn't turn graveyards." He also criticised external affairs minister S M Krishna, who is from Karnataka, for writing to the PM on the issue, calling it "politically incorrect". "It is a big mistake. Someone who is a minister in the Central cabinet should be common for both states. It is wrong to work with regional considerations," Mr Karunanidhi said. PMK's chief S Ramadoss today asked the Centre to deploy the Army to ensure that Karnataka releases water to Tamil Nadu. He also demanded that the Centre take over all Karnataka's dams across the Cauvery, which flows through both the states. He termed stopping the release of water after the court's order "a threat to the country's integrity" and accused the Karnataka government of "instigating people to protest against Tamil Nadu". The Communist Party of India's Tamil Nadu wing has also joined the protest. More than 500 CPI activists were arrested in Thanjavur district for trying to stop trains to mark their protest. In Karnataka, farmers, already holding dharnas and rallies in protest, say they will continue till the CRA reviews its order. Earlier protests, mostly along the KRS dam, had turned violent. The CRA, headed by the PM, has ruled that Karnataka must release 9,000 cusecs of water a day for the Tamil Nadu till October 15. The PM yesterday rejected any review of the CRA's decision. The two states have been battling over the flow of water for decades. Tamil Nadu says its crops are dying as Karnataka is not releasing its share of waters according to the distress sharing formula evolved by the Central Water Commission. Karnataka claims it too doesn't have enough water to give to its southern neighbour. Karnataka has been requesting the CRA to stay its September 19 order and keep it in abeyance till the decision was subjected to review. The Cauvery Monitoring Committee is expected to meet in Delhi on October 11 during which the reports of the two central study teams that visited both the states are likely to be debated. The sharing of Cauvery waters has always been a touchy political issue between the two states. In Karnataka, it has brought the ruling BJP and the Opposition Congress together, with chief minister Jagdish Shettar and Mr Krishna speaking in one voice about the matter. In Tamilnadu opposition leaders have accused the Chief Minister of acting unilaterally and not convening an all party meaning. But Chief Minister Jayalalithaa has blamed the DMK Chief of not stopping Karnataka from building new dams across River Cauvery during his tenure as Chief Minister in the past. Honestly i dont know the situation in Karnataka but being in Tanjore right now the situation is real bad for farmers who put their all in Samba harvest. What pisses me off more is both TN and Karnataka politicians trying to gain political mailage out of this issue instead of realizing the sensitivity of the issue where livelihood of millions of farmers are involved in both states.
coffee_rules Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/mandya-farmers-told-to-consider-alternatives-to-paddy/article3979849.ece Mandya farmers told to consider alternatives to paddy Grow crops such as ragi, which require less water: Agriculture Department Nothing but to wait and watch:A large number of farmers, who have cultivated sugarcane and paddy across Mandya district, are a worried lot. Nothing but to wait and watch:A large number of farmers, who have cultivated sugarcane and paddy across Mandya district, are a worried lot. With the water-level in the Krishnaraja Sagar reservoir (KRS) depleting, farmers across the district, worried about losing their crops, have been advised to switch from paddy to ragi and others crops that require less water. The State government, in order to comply with the Cauvery River Authority’s (CRA) directive, has been releasing water to neighbouring Tamil Nadu from September 29. While the water-level was 109.57 ft at 6 p.m. on September 29, it was 105.2 ft at 6 a.m. on October 8. Agriculture Department officials have advised farmers in Mandya to grow ragi and other pulses instead of paddy as a contingency plan against crop loss. Ragi and other pulses require less water than paddy. The officials fear that the Irrigation Department may stop discharging water to D. Devaraja Urs canal, Chikka Devaraya canal, Virija canal, Bangara Doddi canal, Visvesvaraya canal, Right Bank Low Level Canal (RBLL) and Left Bank Low Level Canal (LBLL) if the water-level falls drastically. Advice “We have advised farmers to sow ragi, jowar and maize instead of paddy,” K. Sangaiah, Deputy Director of Agriculture Department, told The Hindu here on Monday. A large number of farmers have already cultivated sugarcane and paddy across the district. The farmers who are yet to sow, should cultivate the crops which require less water, Mr. Sangaiah said. The department has been issuing pamphlets to farmers requesting to stay away from paddy. Scientists at the VC Farm Zonal Agricultural Research Station told The Hindu here on Monday that farmers are showing interest in sowing ragi, maize, jowar, green gram, black gram, horse gram, field bean, sunflower, castor, niger, soya bean, other pulses and oilseeds. Meanwhile, the district is expected to see a steep fall in production of paddy, sugarcane, maize, ragi and other crops due to water shortage during 2012-13. According to the officials at the Department of Agriculture, only 75.8 per cent (up to September 30, 2012) of sowing has been completed in the district. Drought-hit taluks All seven taluks — Mandya, Malavalli, Nagamangala, K.R. Pet, Srirangapatna, Pandavapur and Maddur — in Mandya district have been declared as drought-hit this year. Due to the failed monsoon, sugarcane, paddy and other crops on 7,153 hectares have been lost amounting to a loss of Rs. 268 crore, an official said. How can one switch after the crop is planted and needing water? There is no water to give to TN farmers who harvest 3 crops a year rather than 2 by most in other parts of Karnataka.
BeautifulGame Posted October 9, 2012 Author Posted October 9, 2012 http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/mandya-farmers-told-to-consider-alternatives-to-paddy/article3979849.ece How can one switch after the crop is planted and needing water? There is no water to give to TN farmers who harvest 3 crops a year rather than 2 by most in other parts of Karnataka. We already gave up on Kuruvai harvest due to lack of water and the same is happening with the samba harvest too atm.
cowboysfan Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 This problem is going to get much worse due to global warming,the present formula is really unjust to Karnataka farmers.I personally know farmers who have completely given up and sold their land in Mandya.you cannot tell one states farmers to go **** themselves to appease another.
diga Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Bangalore doesnt have proper drinking water in atleast 30% of the localities... and TN wants water for 3 crops a year
Trichromatic Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Bangalore doesnt have proper drinking water in atleast 30% of the localities... and TN wants water for 3 crops a year :blink:
yoda Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Supreme court already gave it's ruling on the Cauvery water dispute after listening to arguments from both sides, but hey who gives a feck about rules and SC rulings.
ganeshran Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Failure of Karnataka to release water will result in failure of the samba crop. The Supreme court should prosecute the Karnataka government for contempt of court if they ignore the orders.
The Dark Horse Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 But Karnataka release water whenever it's in excess without even asking TN
Trichromatic Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 But Karnataka release water whenever it's in excess without even asking TN
beautifulgame Posted September 9, 2016 Posted September 9, 2016 This thread is four years old .It's sad the situation is as bleak as ever and neither govt bothered to find a long term solution Seeking a meeting between Tamil Naduchief minister J Jayalalitha, along with the PM to resolve the crisis, Siddaramaiah wrote: "...the daily release of 15,000 cusecs of Cauvery water at the inter state border, Biligundulu, which, if continued, would completely deprive the drinking water not only to the residents of Bengaluru city but also to the farmers of the Cauvery basin." All transport between TN and Karnataka have been suspended for the 4th day due to the volatile situation. http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Bengaluru-will-have-no-water-to-drink-CM-to-Modi/articleshow/54249944.cms http://m.firstpost.com/india/karnataka-bandh-over-cauvery-water-shutdown-in-most-parts-of-state-essential-services-likely-to-be-hit-2996800.html
Tibarn Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 On 9/9/2016 at 7:59 AM, beautifulgame said: This thread is four years old .It's sad the situation is as bleak as ever and neither govt bothered to find a long term solution All transport between TN and Karnataka have been suspended for the 4th day due to the volatile situation. http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Bengaluru-will-have-no-water-to-drink-CM-to-Modi/articleshow/54249944.cms http://m.firstpost.com/india/karnataka-bandh-over-cauvery-water-shutdown-in-most-parts-of-state-essential-services-likely-to-be-hit-2996800.html Now there is some violence spreading. Incidents in TN and Karnataka. The two CMs need to get a handle on the situation.
Vilander Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Tibarn said: Now there is some violence spreading. Incidents in TN and Karnataka. The two CMs need to get a handle on the situation. the videos are pretty disturbing. There is a boy being beaten up in Bangalore by some goons, and there is a driver of a tempo being beaten up in Rameshwaram. A2B restaurant and other tamil shops targeted in bangalore, and a hotel run by kannadiga management targeted in TN. This is pathetic, get riot police and control the goons.
velu Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 karuna trying to show his presence .. i think most of the incidents are opportunistic crime and looting .. heard poorvika mobile store got vandalised and all the mobiles were taken away by the rioters , but its a franchise based model and noone can say who is the frnachisee my view is both states have more than enough water , but the way we do agriculture is still stuck in medival age .. we waste lots of water and governemnt also dont educate our farmers ..
Tibarn Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 10 hours ago, Vilander said: the videos are pretty disturbing. There is a boy being beaten up in Bangalore by some goons, and there is a driver of a tempo being beaten up in Rameshwaram. A2B restaurant and other tamil shops targeted in bangalore, and a hotel run by kannadiga management targeted in TN. This is pathetic, get riot police and control the goons. Yes, I have seen some of the videos on twitter, really sickening stuff. What irks me is that the Karnataka HM was saying essentially that they were unprepared for this/didn't expect it. I am not in Karnataka, but I find it hard to believe that they didn't have any ground reports about a potential flare up.
Detonator Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 11 hours ago, Vilander said: the videos are pretty disturbing. There is a boy being beaten up in Bangalore by some goons, and there is a driver of a tempo being beaten up in Rameshwaram. A2B restaurant and other tamil shops targeted in bangalore, and a hotel run by kannadiga management targeted in TN. This is pathetic, get riot police and control the goons. Now there are tamil guys who live in bangalore posting videos in youtube and FB openly challenging to find them. They also gave their address
beautifulgame Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 karuna trying to show his presence .. i think most of the incidents are opportunistic crime and looting .. heard poorvika mobile store got vandalised and all the mobiles were taken away by the rioters , but its a franchise based model and noone can say who is the frnachisee my view is both states have more than enough water , but the way we do agriculture is still stuck in medival age .. we waste lots of water and governemnt also dont educate our farmers .. This thread was started 4 years back when Karuna was part of Congress govt.
Vilander Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 8 hours ago, Detonator said: Now there are tamil guys who live in bangalore posting videos in youtube and FB openly challenging to find them. They also gave their address there is a sizable Tamil community there, around 40 lakhs till around 1990's (91 census)tamils were the largest ethinic group there ahead of Kannadigas in bangalore urban district. This is really bad situation. Normally Tamils and Kannadigas of karnataka dont have problems at all, its just the outsider complex ( tamils from villages in dharmaburi,north arcott of TN settle a lot in bangalore mostly contruction workers, unorganised services this got exacerbated when IT crowd from Chennai/Coimbatore etc moved in 10 years back) but now apparently there is an ethnic angle to this.
Vilander Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 15 hours ago, velu said: karuna trying to show his presence .. i think most of the incidents are opportunistic crime and looting .. heard poorvika mobile store got vandalised and all the mobiles were taken away by the rioters , but its a franchise based model and noone can say who is the frnachisee my view is both states have more than enough water , but the way we do agriculture is still stuck in medival age .. we waste lots of water and governemnt also dont educate our farmers .. few paces from it is the Indiranagar Ananda Bhavan it is always crowded , rerports that it was vandalized as well. Apparently A2B in mysore road also vandalized.
coffee_rules Posted September 21, 2016 Posted September 21, 2016 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/SC-order-on-Cauvery-unimplementable-Karnataka-chief-minister-Siddaramaiah/articleshow/54431275.cms Cauvery Supervisory committee says to release 3 cusecs per day. SC comes in to show who's has a bigger one, changes it to 6000. I don't understand this, maybe SC in cohorts with Sonia Gandhi wants to embarrass BJP and regain Karnataka on 2017. SC seems to be screwing Karnataka royally here.
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