Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, New guy said:

Yadav was taking wickets of 130 kph to 135kph in all recent series. This is just making up fantasies to justify speed gun obsession 

 

 

You are confusing Trundler Bhuvi with Umesh. Very few of Umesh's deliveries are at 130 to 135.

 

It is exactly due to this mentality that India has never produced a pacer who has averaged less than 26 while taking 200+ test wickets. 

 

If more people had so called " Speed gun obsession " in India, we could have been a bowling powerhouse for decades. 

Edited November 26, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Which recent series?

 

The one played in World Cricket Championship 2021, Android version.

[rkt.india]

11 hours ago, New guy said:

The indian ones. Check his wicket taking deliveries, 90% is below 140

They may be or may be not but you are downplaying the effect of pace in test cricket. To me, it's all about what your strength is. Yadav's strength is pace.  It's highly improbable that he will bowl every ball over 140 but wickets most often aren't just the result of one ball but a spell and an over. Southee and Jamieson are tall bowlers. Their strength is different, accuracy, bounce, movement. Yadav's is pace and movement, mostly reverse swing.

[Mosher]

Umesh gets Kane plumb in front with a ball that jagged in sharply at 138kph

[vishalvirsingh]

1 hour ago, Mosher said:

Umesh gets Kane plumb in front with a ball that jagged in sharply at 138kph

it looked like a 145K ball as it came in very sharply.

 

Kane got out on a ball which could get any batsman in the world.

 

umesh bowled in between 132 to 138K after that. he tried to bowl the same ball again, same line n length but bowled a shade slower...between 132 to 137.5K. 

 

had he got upto 142k , he would have got atleast 1 more wicket. ball is keeping low and a 140K ball can be very very tough to handle ..kinda like a 150K ball..but umesh was not able to increase his pace.

[rollingstoned]

Umeshs wickets which are memorable are all reverse swing ones with old sg ball. You don't get those bowling just low 130s, high 120s.  

[express bowling]

Missing the energy and intensity of Bumrah and Siraj on this slow track.

 

Ishant and Umesh are looking old and out of energy.

 

It's high time we start to phase out Ishant, Bhuvi, Umesh and  even Shami 

 

Unless an old pacer has the energy and fitness of Anderson, no point in continuing with him.

 

 

[R!TTER]

Kanpur is usually one of the slowest & most docile of tracks for "pacers" having said that we need to bring in more pacers to replace the "veterans" - I have no idea why some of them get so much respect, but then again I'm not being paid 7 figures to spout BS on TV.

Edited November 27, 2021 by R!TTER

[Mosher]

17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Missing the energy and intensity of Bumrah and Siraj on this slow track.

 

Ishant and Umesh are looking old and out of energy.

 

It's high time we start to phase out Ishant, Bhuvi, Umesh and  even Shami 

 

Unless an old pacer has the energy and fitness of Anderson, no point in continuing with him.

 

 

Ishant is done and bro as you rightly pointed out Umesh unless he gets back to bowling around 145+ top speed, he won't be as effective on these slow pitches. His top speed is around 140-141 these days. 

[Lord]

22 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Missing the energy and intensity of Bumrah and Siraj on this slow track.

 

Ishant and Umesh are looking old and out of energy.

 

It's high time we start to phase out Ishant, Bhuvi, Umesh and  even Shami 

 

Unless an old pacer has the energy and fitness of Anderson, no point in continuing with him.

 

 

 

even Anderson won't do much on this track.

 

 

[express bowling]

Just now, Lord said:

 

even Anderson won't do much on this track.

 

 

Not talking about this test only ... but about old pacers in general.

 

If an old pacer becomes unfit and starts losing steam, it is pretty much a done case or should be so.

[express bowling]

Ishant

Bhuvi

Umesh 

Shami

 

Rahane

Pujara

Kohli

 

Saha

 

So many old guys blocking spots in the team without consistent performances in the last 2 years.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Ishant

Bhuvi

Umesh 

Shami

 

Rahane

Pujara

Kohli

 

Saha

 

So many old guys blocking spots in the team without consistent performances in the last 2 years.

 

Umesh was brilliant at the Oval and has been good in India.

[Lord]

45 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Not talking about this test only ... but about old pacers in general.

 

If an old pacer becomes unfit and starts losing steam, it is pretty much a done case or should be so.

 

that's true for Ishant but Umesh is fit.

[Suhaan]

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Edited November 27, 2021 by Suhaan

[New guy]

Axar breaking some records

 

Axar Patel's Test career so far:

2/40

5/60

6/38

5/32

4/68

5/48

5/59*

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

Umesh was brilliant at the Oval and has been good in India.

 

 

Lacks the consistency of Bumrah or even Siraj.

 

Runs out of steam if he plays on the trot these days.

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

Southee showing what true swing bowling is. 

 

In India we often call pacers who lack pace as swing bowlers. 

Edited November 28, 2021 by express bowling

[rollingstoned]

11 hours ago, express bowling said:

Southee showing what true swing bowling is. 

 

In India we often call pacers who lack pace as swing bowlers. 

Ishant fools everyone with his height but he bowls and takes wickets more for his ability to use swing than getting bounce like you'd expect. 

[express bowling]

1st test 2nd innings vs NZ till lunch

 

Average Speeds

 

Ishant.    131.9 kph

Umesh.  134.7 kph

 

And none of them have even touched 140 kph.

 

Both trundling and looking tired and low on energy.

 

Zero wickets and high economy rate.

 

They know that they will be used in short spells ... but they are bowling without intensity and effort.

 

What is the use of playing these old pacers ! Why are we promoting mediocrity  !

 

 

P.S -- They may pick a couple of wickets later on and the TM will be happy with them.