Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

24 minutes ago, Vilander said:

there is  seam in the cricket ball, it tends to bounce variably its part of the game. Hameed did not play it well.

Yes....the pitch has not misbehaved at all in terms of unusually high bounce.

 

So, it seems that Umesh did bowl with some extra effort, the ball landed perfectly and he was bowling at 90 mph.....there was perhaps some extra wrist action too.

[renjith]

41 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

It's not different. He is just trying to hide the ball.

yes he is trying to hide the ball. but as a result the high-arm load goes missing for those balls. zaheer also had this slight difference when he is trying to hide the ball. hopefully this does not affect his original action.

Edited November 27, 2016 by renjith

[rkt.india]

29 minutes ago, renjith said:

yes he is trying to hide the ball. but as a result the high-arm load goes missing for those balls. zaheer also had this slight difference when he is trying to hide the ball. hopefully this does not affect his original action.

it happens with most bowlers who try to reverse. Round arm is better for reverse swing than high arm.

[vishalvirsingh]

On 17/11/2016 at 10:50 AM, laaloo said:

Not bowling any short balls to Hameed or Ali is striking. I mean I understand initially you might lose the plot and forget

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Yes....the pitch has not misbehaved at all in terms of unusually high bounce.

 

So, it seems that Umesh did bowl with some extra effort, the ball landed perfectly and he was bowling at 90 mph.....there was perhaps some extra wrist action too.

Umesh"s jaffa..

Super fast ball with bounce from good length

[express bowling]

India does not have a fast bowling culture ( although it has started to develop off late ). Young seamers do not have a clear about of what sequence of deliveries to bowl, to take wickets  consistently.  They also do not know how to adapt to different surfaces, especially while playing outside Asia.

 

This has resulted in most of our fast bowlers taking 4 to 5 years to become wicket taking bowlers ( except Kapil ) . It happened with Srinath and Zaheer. 

 

Ishant was a slow learner...but even he started bowling much better from early 2014...and is averaging 30 in away test matches from the NZ series.  It took him 7 years but now, He is a much better bowler and is taking wickets regularly while playing on non-low surfaces away from home. has won us 2 test matches, in England and SL.

 

Even Bhuvi is taking more wickets after competing almost 4  years in international cricket and he is an intelligent bowler.

 

Shami has completed 3 years and Umesh 5.   It could be that they will now start to pick wickets with more consistency, provided they can maintain their focus and fitness.  It is important for the team management to support them.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2016 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Among our opponent camp experts,  I am seeing respect  for our bowling attack,  as a whole,  after a long time.  This has happened after we have won so many test matches on flat and greenish tracks in the last 3  test  series ( WI, NZ and England ) , with both spinners and pacers contributing.

 

All the English commentators are repeatedly saying that our opening bowling pair are the best they have seen from India in a long time. Richards, Dujon and the other WI experts as well as the English and NZ  experts  have discussed multiple times how the Indian fast bowlers are quicker than the ones playing for their country.

 

Hussain was also discussing the variety in our seam attack...2 skiddy quick bowlers in Shami and Umesh, 1 tall,  bouncy fast bowler in Ishant and 1 skilled swing bowler in Bhuvi and this will help us while playing abroad.

 

Everyone points out how potent Ashwin has been with  Jaddu as able support.  They have done their reputation no harm by helping us win in the last  few tests  on tracks that were not  specially  helpful to spinners.  

[MCcricket]

Credit also should be given to Virat n Kumble as the same bowlers were mediocre under a previous non supportive n defensive captaincy

[express bowling]

Shami came up with a hostile spell of genuine fast bowling today, with the 2nd new ball.  The first ball was a nasty bouncer which hit Woakes on the helmet and unsettled him badly.  The next ball was  a similar delivery  which had the batter fending in front of his face and an easy catch lobbed to the keeper.  Later in the same over, another quick, well directed bouncer had Rashid hook awkwardly for a catch in the deep.  He was generating some pace and bowled quite a few other good bouncers in that short spell.  But, there was solid planning behind the sequence of deliveries too, which kept in mind the pitch as well the the batsmen that were playing.   It is great to see an Indian fast bowler bowl like this on Indian pitches without any grass.

 

He bowled 2 other excellent spells in the last 2 test matches.  The first was  in the 1st innings of the 3rd test.  With wickets not falling, he was introduced and picked up 2 crucial wickets with some high quality swing and seam bowling at pace.

 

The other spell was in the 2nd innings of the 2nd test...when he again bowled with skill and intelligence. A fast, inswinging yorker had Root trapped in front of the stumps after pushing him back with a short one.... and a bouncer took care of Rashid.

 

Shami is now bowling with genuine pace of 135 k to 147 k, getting awkward bounce, bowling excellent bouncers, he is a skiddy customer, swinging the ball both ways with both conventional and reverse swing, seaming the ball and setting up batsmen. I am really, really enjoying his bowling.

 

After return from injury, he is now averaging 26 with a SR of 56 in the 9 completed test matches he has played. 

 

Kohli and Kumble's support for fast bowlers have given an edge to their bowling in the last year or so, with Umesh improving his accuracy too.

Edited November 29, 2016 by express bowling

[Forever Indian]

57 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Credit also should be given to Virat n Kumble as the same bowlers were mediocre under a previous non supportive n defensive captaincy

Can also say that they have matured with experience. It has been 2 years since the previous captain retired and it is only now that Yadav has got some consistency, still a long way to go for him.

[Mosher]

From Kohli's post match interview "Kohli praised Shami for becoming a better bowler since his knee injury in 2015. "He is rushing in much more now and he is able to sustain that energy now for four-five good overs and he's bowling long spells," Kohli said. "He's become more aware of what he wants to do and what he has to do to be a good Test bowler and he's making those important breakthroughs.

 

"Even Umesh, for that matter, they both have bowled over 145kph consistently and on these kind of pitches, to not lose heart and keep coming in and running in and bouncing guys, I think speaks a lot of their character and I'm only waiting to play on pitches that assist them a little bit, it'll be nice to see what they can do there as well."

 

The resources that India have at their disposal - two outright fast bowlers, a seam bowler in Ishant Sharma, a swing bowler in Bhuvneshwar Kumar, and top-quality spinners who can all bat too - has left them feeling they have what it takes to do well on all conditions.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1069730.html

[Vijy]

8 hours ago, Mosher said:

From Kohli's post match interview "Kohli praised Shami for becoming a better bowler since his knee injury in 2015. "He is rushing in much more now and he is able to sustain that energy now for four-five good overs and he's bowling long spells," Kohli said. "He's become more aware of what he wants to do and what he has to do to be a good Test bowler and he's making those important breakthroughs.

 

"Even Umesh, for that matter, they both have bowled over 145kph consistently and on these kind of pitches, to not lose heart and keep coming in and running in and bouncing guys, I think speaks a lot of their character and I'm only waiting to play on pitches that assist them a little bit, it'll be nice to see what they can do there as well."

 

The resources that India have at their disposal - two outright fast bowlers, a seam bowler in Ishant Sharma, a swing bowler in Bhuvneshwar Kumar, and top-quality spinners who can all bat too - has left them feeling they have what it takes to do well on all conditions.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1069730.html

A left-arm quick would complete the set.

[MCcricket]

4 hours ago, Vijy said:

A left-arm quick would complete the set.

I hope Virat n Kumble take the next step n look for talent to build stronger squad n we will be touring abroad a lot after Aus series n Aniket, Nathu, Sangwan should be introduced before that.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, MCcricket said:

I hope Virat n Kumble take the next step n look for talent to build stronger squad n we will be touring abroad a lot after Aus series n Aniket, Nathu, Sangwan should be introduced before that.

 

6 hours ago, Vijy said:

A left-arm quick would complete the set.

 

We have Shami, Umesh, Ishant, Bhuvi and Pandya in our test team now.

 

I would like Shardul Thakur, Nathu Singh, Aniket Choudhary and  Varun Aaron to be included in our pool of test fast bowlers as back-ups....and train with our team under Kumble-Kohli to improve their skills.  ( We have seen Shami, Umesh etc. improve under this duo )

 

Shardul is a fast-medium swing bowler with a good bouncer and wicket-taking ability.

Nathu is a genuine fast bowler who can be very handy when genuine pace is required and can add value  when playing in India. Has a knack of polishing off the tail with quick swinging yorkers at will.

Aniket is a very tall, left-armer of lively pace and good FC record. Would give us the left-armer's advantage.

Aaron has genuine pace, good bouncers and can reverse the ball.

Edited November 30, 2016 by express bowling

[Mosher]

30 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

We have Shami, Umesh, Ishant, Bhuvi and Pandya in our test team now.

 

I would like Shardul Thakur, Nathu Singh, Aniket Choudhary and  Varun Aaron to be included in our pool of test fast bowlers as back-ups....and train with our team under Kumble-Kohli to improve their skills.  ( We have seen Shami, Umesh etc. improve under this duo )

 

Shardul is a fast-medium swing bowler with a good bouncer and wicket-taking ability.

Nathu is a genuine fast bowler who can be very handy when genuine pace is required and can add value  when playing in India. Has a knack of polishing off the tail with quick swinging yorkers at will.

Aniket is a very tall, left-armer of lively pace and good FC record. Would give us the left-armer's advantage.

Aaron has genuine pace, good bouncers and can reverse the ball.

This domestic season was a important one for Aaron to be in the radar but he has missed it. Don't know when he will be back. Hope its not a shoulder or back injury.

[fineleg]

Nathu Singh, Aaron need to train smart to keep injuries minimal. Very vital at this stage of their career.

Edited November 30, 2016 by fineleg

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Lockie Ferguson debuts.Clocks 150ks a number of times.

 

Fastest at 152ks.

[ShebbySB]

If Aaron stays injured most of the time he will be out of contention very soon.

[puneet28]

Nobody talking about Bumrah. He's our go to bowler in ODIs and T20s. We can play him here and there in tests too. He is ver good in cleaning tail.

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[Vijy]

3 hours ago, puneet28 said:

Nobody talking about Bumrah. He's our go to bowler in ODIs and T20s. We can play him here and there in tests too. He is ver good in cleaning tail.

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Lacks stamina for longer spells... in Duleep, etc. his intensity dropped later in the day.

[express bowling]

Gavaskar saying , " With the finger spinners getting so much turn, just imagine what a wrist spinner ( Rashid ) might do  !

 

So, just like the rest of the world, we too realize that a good wrist spinner can get more turn than finger spinners on an average.

 

Question is ....why have we, as a country,  not tried to develop / promote classical wrist spinners after Subhash Gupte ?

 

Both Kumble and Chandrasekhar  were non-classical wrist spinners.

 

We need to look beyond Mishra now..... need to develop / promote Kuldeep, Quadri, Chahal, Gopal