Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[speedracer]

19 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Seriously WTF is the bowling coach doing? No clear bowling strategy plus this extras issue? 

What is that? Coach? We have someone called coach? 

[Need4Speed]

Umran is improving and trying stuff..he is learning..all this experience counts..he is very penetrative..thats what we were missing in middle overs..and against the tail..

more he plays..better he will get..he has still not tried slower deliveries yet..though he is practicing them..

[Lone Wolf]

27 minutes ago, MK55 said:

One thing I’ve noticed, every time Umran gets a wicket, he goes for that full fast ball. I think he should mix it up a bit on the first ball. Maybe go for a top of off fast ball.

He should convey to captain about what he will bowl...  So far I don't like his field sets.  There is no protection for fuller balls...  No cover or sweeper or long on..  All fielders are behind fine leg & square leg & deep square leg. 

[Number]

3 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

Umran is improving and trying stuff..he is learning..all this experience counts..he is very penetrative..thats what we were missing in middle overs..and against the tail..

more he plays..better he will get..he has still not tried slower deliveries yet..though he is practicing them..

 

Yes he said in one of his interviews that he is practicing them. Will be very effective bowler once he starts mixing slower ones. From 150 to 120. Just like how Haris Rauf is currently.

[vishalvirsingh]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Gambhir, Jadeja, Agarkar, Pathan .... we need these kinds of guys at the helm. 

 

They understand what international cricket is all about. 

just see the srilankan ex keeper comentating- he is talking high about his team mates all the time, even when they snick and get a 4 or go for a shot which was an ugly shot against umran and had hardik been 3 inches taller , he would have caught that shot....

he is always talking high about srilankan captain and average bowlerss.

Today's pitch was a little bit better than the PUNE PITCH, i mean today's pitch was a 180-190 Pitch ( winning score) and Our 360 degrees Sky got his bat going and Let srilankan bowlers know who is the BOSS?

PUne Pitch was a death bed for bowlers and today's pitch had atleast very little for the bowlers , though it was also flat , just a bit of green on the flat pitch made it a little some thing for the bowlers.

i would say all bowled well , just that i was surprised to see arshdeep playing and still he had issue's - he was giving plenty of wides. actually he should have been asked to practice hard and get his line n length perfect and then played. still he did bowl between 130 to 142K and i did see many of his balls touching 138 to 141.x

 

Mavi bowled one ball at 140.1K , another pne @ 138.8K and then others slowerin his only one over but he did try to bowl at pace too ( atleast for a few balls)

hardik was trying to be smart.

umran was between 144.5 to 149.9K ...did he bowl faster than 150k today.  he was looking fearsome.

[vishalvirsingh]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

Gill has to be punished for this type of batting,you have to take more risks even if it's swinging up front,expose the lower middle order and tail and see how they react.

 

Unfortunately the batting structure hasn't changed,t20s need aggressive batting.

gill is a perfect Test batsman and a good odi batsman. he has a fair defence and bats straight.

why do u want to spoil his game and select him in a format which requires all type of SKY type shots(360 degree shots and lofty hits), pick up venkatesh iyer instead of Gill , he will hit better or prithvi shaw ( i guess he is not declared Fit or has not cleared yoyo).

why do u need to pick Gill.........rohit  ..kohli ...Gill..these guys dont want to get out and hence dont go for those daring shots more often.

in t20- u have to take risks - see SKY He takes risks and he gets returns and some times he looks like a fool ( as in previous game) and gets Out But thats the way one scores.

today his shots 

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, speedracer said:

What is that? Coach? We have someone called coach? 

we have a cockroach (coach)

[tapandrun]

Umran seems to be bowling bit slower compared to IPL speeds, can this be due to TM, coach and bowling coach.

 

Was hitting 150 kmphs more often in IPLs but only 2/3 balls in 3 matches plus no bouncers hitting batters' lids.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2023 by tapandrun

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Umran seems to be bowling bit slower compared to IPL speeds, can this be due to TM, coach and bowling coach.

 

Was hitting 150 kmphs more often in IPLs but only 2/3 balls in 3 matches plus no bouncers hitting batters' lids.

 

 

 

 

This seems main reason, in IPL he had Steyn who encouraged him to go as fast as he can and he touched 156-157 kph. Even Kartik Tyagi in 2 matches he played clocked 151.

 

Here we have Paras Mhambrey who is scared that high pace will go for runs hence advising him to bowl slower.

 

Gavaskar was pointing out the mistake by Paras during inns break when Arshdeep was practicing. Instead of standing at the bowlers end to keep a note of Arshdeep's no ball issue Paras actually was standing at the keepers end. Gavaskar mentioned that he need to stand at bowler's end so that he can see the line and foot landing of Arshdeep.

[Need4Speed]

16 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

This seems main reason, in IPL he had Steyn who encouraged him to go as fast as he can and he touched 156-157 kph. Even Kartik Tyagi in 2 matches he played clocked 151.

 

Here we have Paras Mhambrey who is scared that high pace will go for runs hence advising him to bowl slower.

 

Gavaskar was pointing out the mistake by Paras during inns break when Arshdeep was practicing. Instead of standing at the bowlers end to keep a note of Arshdeep's no ball issue Paras actually was standing at the keepers end. Gavaskar mentioned that he need to stand at bowler's end so that he can see the line and foot landing of Arshdeep.

ye bc azab chuu paras hai..paras usually turns anything to gold on touch…

and here is hell bent on turning gold to

iron

[raki05]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/thought-he-will-always-be-expensive-ex-ind-star-explains-changes-in-umran-malik-since-ipl-breakout-101673165353697.html

 

 

This is our expert. He is saying Umran was most expensive though he took 2 wkts. Is harami ko chahal , Arshdeep or hasrshal ki bowling figures nahi dikhey. He just gave 31 in 3 on high scoring pitch even cockroach chalal gave 30 in 3.

[Lone Wolf]

8 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

This seems main reason, in IPL he had Steyn who encouraged him to go as fast as he can and he touched 156-157 kph. Even Kartik Tyagi in 2 matches he played clocked 151.

 

Here we have Paras Mhambrey who is scared that high pace will go for runs hence advising him to bowl slower.

 

Gavaskar was pointing out the mistake by Paras during inns break when Arshdeep was practicing. Instead of standing at the bowlers end to keep a note of Arshdeep's no ball issue Paras actually was standing at the keepers end. Gavaskar mentioned that he need to stand at bowler's end so that he can see the line and foot landing of Arshdeep.

His JK teammate suggested that Umran feeds on backing & goes even faster in that case.  Steyn in IPl wanted him & even Tyagi to bowl fast & don't care about runs. 

He is probably scared about his spot & trying to be more accurate than go full tilt. 

In ODI perhaps he will get more room to manage his speeds. 

 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/thought-he-will-always-be-expensive-ex-ind-star-explains-changes-in-umran-malik-since-ipl-breakout-101673165353697.html

 

 

This is our expert. He is saying Umran was most expensive though he took 2 wkts. Is harami ko chahal , Arshdeep or hasrshal ki bowling figures nahi dikhey. He just gave 31 in 3 on high scoring pitch even cockroach chalal gave 30 in 3.

haha...he is another thakela "expert" who don't have an iota of knowledge about fast bowling and just carry a rota memory of "fast bowling leak runs"... 

 

I have seen some of his interviews on Cricinfo and at times I feel pity on the players whom he would have coached/given tips. Mumbai domestic structure has struggled to produce quick fast bowlers and the "experts" like him play a big role in it.

Edited January 8, 2023 by singhvivek141

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

haha...he is another thakela "expert" who don't have an iota of knowledge about fast bowling and just carry a rota memory of "fast bowling leak runs"... 

 

I have seen some of his interviews on Cricinfo and at times I feel pity on the players whom he would have coached/given tips. Mumbai domestic structure has struggled to produce quick fast bowlers and the "experts" like him play a big role in it.

He couldn't put bat to ball against Brett Lee on Aus tour 2007-08. He was crap against genuine pace. 

[MK55]

Getting annoyed with these clowns. Gotta get Steyn, Lee or at the very least a coach who can contribute in bowling strategies, field placements etc.. I think if Steyn/Lee can’t make it, they gotta get Nehra/Malinga?!
 

That will speed up the improvement in bowlers like Umran at the death. Also how good is the strength and conditioning coach? That role is crucial too.

[singhvivek141]

21 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Gill has to be punished for this type of batting,you have to take more risks even if it's swinging up front,expose the lower middle order and tail and see how they react.

 

Unfortunately the batting structure hasn't changed,t20s need aggressive batting.

Gill is following the foot steps of Kohli, Rohit, KL, Dhawan...he won't be punished.

Our T20 cricket prioritises stability and anchoring over stroke play and risk taking. The moment SKY hits a lean patch for 8-10 matches, the same so called experts will start a campaign to drop him as he's reckless.

[Suhaan]

12 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Gill is following the foot steps of Kohli, Rohit, KL, Dhawan...he won't be punished.

Our T20 cricket prioritises stability and anchoring over stroke play and risk taking. The moment SKY hits a lean patch for 8-10 matches, the same so called experts will start a campaign to drop him as he's reckless.

Discipline and Ahimsa parmo dharama

[Vijy]

12 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

This seems main reason, in IPL he had Steyn who encouraged him to go as fast as he can and he touched 156-157 kph. Even Kartik Tyagi in 2 matches he played clocked 151.

 

Here we have Paras Mhambrey who is scared that high pace will go for runs hence advising him to bowl slower.

 

Gavaskar was pointing out the mistake by Paras during inns break when Arshdeep was practicing. Instead of standing at the bowlers end to keep a note of Arshdeep's no ball issue Paras actually was standing at the keepers end. Gavaskar mentioned that he need to stand at bowler's end so that he can see the line and foot landing of Arshdeep.

paras mhambrey. even in the shameful 90s, one of the worst ind pacers I saw

Edited January 8, 2023 by Vijy

[Vilander]

13 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

This seems main reason, in IPL he had Steyn who encouraged him to go as fast as he can and he touched 156-157 kph. Even Kartik Tyagi in 2 matches he played clocked 151.

 

Here we have Paras Mhambrey who is scared that high pace will go for runs hence advising him to bowl slower.

 

Gavaskar was pointing out the mistake by Paras during inns break when Arshdeep was practicing. Instead of standing at the bowlers end to keep a note of Arshdeep's no ball issue Paras actually was standing at the keepers end. Gavaskar mentioned that he need to stand at bowler's end so that he can see the line and foot landing of Arshdeep.

 

How would he know all that, he was a poor bowler himself.

[speedracer]

4 hours ago, Vijy said:

paras mhambrey. even in the shameful 90s, one of the worst ind pacers I saw

He was a bowler? Thought he was a darter.