Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Suhaan]

12 minutes ago, Lord said:

@express bowling @rkt.india can he be a fast bowling AR prospect? How fast does he look?

 

 

Had batted well so far this Ranji,his debut

They are talking about him

[Lord]

Just now, Suhaan said:

Had batted well so far this Ranji,his debut

They are talking about him

 

SR of 100 lol. Perfectly suited for white ball

[JaFanatic]

1 hour ago, ind_hyd1 said:

Sad to see they way Shivam Mavi 's career graph has shaped up. None of the IPL teams are interested in him , there was a time 5 years back when he was our bright young hope

It's one thing to slow down in your 30s but to not be able to bowl the same pace u did in ur teens as a 20ish guy only shows one thing. Entitlement. 

 

Kudos to the IPL managements for snubbing these lazy entitled brats.

[express bowling]

28 minutes ago, Lord said:

@express bowling @rkt.india can he be a fast bowling AR prospect? How fast does he look?

 

 

 

Looks medium pace. But is hitting the deck effectively on occasions. Not a floaty pacer. 

[Suhaan]

@rkt.india did anyone buy Samarth Nagraj?

@Mosher

@express bowling?

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

@rkt.india did anyone buy Samarth Nagraj?

@Mosher

@express bowling?

 

Don't think so.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

@rkt.india did anyone buy Samarth Nagraj?

@Mosher

@express bowling?

No. His name never came up.

[Lord]

just saw Shedge in SMAT. No speed guns but was rushing the batsmen. Same pace as Shardul if not quicker.

[Nikhil_cric]

Pat Cummins is not the force he was in previous Australian BGT and has struggled since BGT in India 2023 primarily because of a loss in pace. 

 

Does not have the skill or accuracy to take wickets at this pace especially as first change bowler. 

 

The average speed is nearly the same as Bumrah's but the skill levels aren't 

 

[Mosher]

Did anyone from recent U19 team get picked? Limbani or Aaradhya?

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Did anyone from recent U19 team get picked? Limbani or Aaradhya?

No.  This auction has been poor for fringe and uncapped players because too much money spent on retentions and other capped players.

[rkt.india]

37 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Pat Cummins is not the force he was in previous Australian BGT and has struggled since BGT in India 2023 primarily because of a loss in pace. 

 

Does not have the skill or accuracy to take wickets at this pace especially as first change bowler. 

 

The average speed is nearly the same as Bumrah's but the skill levels aren't 

 

Cummins has great accuracy. Don't go by this test as he was coming undercooked.  He will be better in the next test.

[Nikhil_cric]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Cummins has great accuracy. Don't go by this test as he was coming undercooked.  He will be better in the next test.

Not since 2023.  His economy has gone through the roof. 

 

Part of the problem is the pace itself. You can bowl a hard enforcer length and find great success when you are bowling above 140 kph. 

 

He needs to bowl fuller. More in the 6-7m zone at his current pace 

[tapandrun]

On 11/26/2024 at 7:59 AM, express bowling said:

 

Saw 3 separate guys in my locality wearing blue Team India jerseys during this test match. Random people on the streets. 

 

All had " Bumrah 93 " written on their backs. One was a teenager, one in his 20s and the third in his 40s.

 

Remember the 2023 world cup. I was visiting a Bata store.  Game was going on and 2 salesmen were discussing the relative strengths of Ngidi and Coetzee. 

 

General public are loving bowlers clocking high speeds on TV or taking loads of wickets.

 

My uncle, aged 67, called me asking for a video of Bumrah's five wicket haul. Said that his friends want to watch it. Enquired about Shami's fitness too. Said that he wanted to see these 2 super pacers bowling together in Australia.

 

Times are changing.  Fans are loving Bumrah a lot. Loving high quality fast bowling too. BCCI needs to understand this and promote our fast bowlers and fast bowling in general. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes last 2 white-ball WCs have increase the up-take for faster bowlers in Ind public mindset. Ind had top-notch red-ball pace line-up 3/4 years back but ppl donot follow test cricket that much.

 

Last 2 WC opened up ind audiences eyes, where they saw what a good bowling line-up can do. Plus the final where batter lost the game also added to that.

 

Previously ppl were sold-out for line and length bowling but now they are seeing what and how much its a different ball game with x-factor bowler.

And with Bhumrah is more visible to layman who can see that bhumrah has different action and bowling with bit of pace same with shami they can see with him batters are getting late due to zip.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2024 by tapandrun

[Adamant]

16 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Pat Cummins is not the force he was in previous Australian BGT and has struggled since BGT in India 2023 primarily because of a loss in pace. 

 

Does not have the skill or accuracy to take wickets at this pace especially as first change bowler. 

 

The average speed is nearly the same as Bumrah's but the skill levels aren't 

 

Pat cummins is a top pacer and deadly in Australia and other helpful conditions, but he never gave me the vibe of an ATG bowler. I rate Rabada and Bumrah higher.

[Adamant]

Josh Hazelwood seems to be our biggest trouble, if our batsmen can somehow find a way of countering him, we are gonna win this series by a heavy margin, we have always been able to tame Starc, Cummins also hasn't been a force against us, It's just Hazelwood who has been shattering us.

[express bowling]

17 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Pat Cummins is not the force he was in previous Australian BGT and has struggled since BGT in India 2023 primarily because of a loss in pace. 

 

Does not have the skill or accuracy to take wickets at this pace especially as first change bowler. 

 

The average speed is nearly the same as Bumrah's but the skill levels aren't 

 

 

 

I often wonder how consistent these speed readings are.  @rkt.india was saying that he had seen a speed gun which can be set to give higher readings. 

 

In the last 4 years or so, almost all pacers are clocking lower speed readings in international cricket matches than they did earlier. But they are not necessarily looking slower visually.

 

Only exception is Wood but he basically plays sparingly so that he can bowl very quickly. 

 

In the 2003 to 2020 period, lots of standard pace bowlers used to clock high 140s or higher sometimes but never happens these days. 

[Nikhil_cric]

31 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I often wonder how consistent these speed readings are.  @rkt.india was saying that he had seen a speed gun which can be set to give higher readings. 

 

In the last 4 years or so, almost all pacers are clocking lower speed readings in international cricket matches than they did earlier. But they are not necessarily looking slower visually.

 

Only exception is Wood but he basically plays sparingly so that he can bowl very quickly. 

 

In the 2003 to 2020 period, lots of standard pace bowlers used to clock high 140s or higher sometimes but never happens these days. 

This is from ball tracking data. It's consistent 

[MK55]

Umran Malik - 

 

“I’m going to kill it in IPL 2025. I’m confident of taking a number of wickets this time. I’m not sure I’ll be touching 160 but I’m confident I’ll take a number of wickets bowling in the 150s”

Also he said - “I’m 200 percent fit”

 

This is what I wanted to hear. I hope he gets chances to play. I think he is the fastest bowler we’ve got. His body can actually handle bowling consistently fast easily. 

 

[MK55]

If he’s not played soon enough, I seriously hope he breaks some bones of the batsmen of his own team. lol