Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Adamant]

3 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

People judging Rana way too early. This is what? His 2nd Test ?

 

Give him time. He's not going to develop playing low quality domestic like Ranji anyway. 

 

 

I am not judging his bowling, he should be dropped right now because we have Akashdeep waiting who is better as of now.

 

I was criticising his batting, people here were claiming he was a good lower order batsman.

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, Adamant said:

Rana should be dropped, Akashdeep comes in.

 

@express bowling you were so wrong about Rana's batting, him and Akashdeep combined won't even give us 20 runs.

 

 

 

Nah. Harshit is a better prospect.  

[Adamant]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Nah. Harshit is a better prospect.  

Prospect, yes. On current form and ability I will pick Akashdeep.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Akashdeep's performance in the A game was the factor. He gave a lot of runs and wasnt looking much effective, happens when you arent playing and bowling consistently. Plus we also played the game as a ODI.

 

Our problem is such that we have to play one rookie pacer, one spinner and one rookie medium pace allrounder..and if none of the 3 are able to contribute then it puts tremendous pressure on other 2 pacers.

 

In this game, Starc performed the same way Bumrah did in the first..and was ably supported by Boland and Cummins. I don't think Starc is that effective with the red ball though.

 

I just hope TM don't crucify everything on bowlers and make them the scapegoat for this loss. We are better team with red ball as against pink as it swings more. So, unless there is an injury, the pace bowling attack should remain unchanged.

Starc has a strike rate of 48 over 369 test wickets. He is as good as any test bowler and just below ATGs.

[ungboysj]

5 hours ago, Adamant said:

Rana should be dropped, Akashdeep comes in.

 

@express bowling you were so wrong about Rana's batting, him and Akashdeep combined won't even give us 20 runs.

 

 

 

@express bowlingis wrong about everything

 

Just keeps hyping bowlers watching sppedgun then dump them when they fail

 

He has no knowledge of bowling none of his pich has done well

 

In upcoming bowler only kuldip sen has the ability to suceed

[Suhaan]

11 minutes ago, ungboysj said:

@express bowlingis wrong about everything

 

Just keeps hyping bowlers watching sppedgun then dump them when they fail

 

He has no knowledge of bowling none of his pich has done well

 

In upcoming bowler only kuldip sen has the ability to suceed

So you are so quick on dismissing him in his just 2nd match?

[Nikhil_cric]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

I am not judging his bowling, he should be dropped right now because we have Akashdeep waiting who is better as of now.

 

I was criticising his batting, people here were claiming he was a good lower order batsman.

Wasn't talking about you dude.  But there were folks insisting there are better options.  I don't think that's the case.   

 

 

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, ungboysj said:

@express bowlingis wrong about everything

 

Just keeps hyping bowlers watching sppedgun then dump them when they fail

 

He has no knowledge of bowling none of his pich has done well

 

In upcoming bowler only kuldip sen has the ability to suceed

Sen himself is 28 now...

 

If you don't think there is any other option left in domestics except Sen, then we can safely assume that Indian bowling is dead and we have nothing left. Better to stop playing the bowlers totally and fill the team with 10 batters + 1 Bumrah.

 

And once Bumrah retires, its all going to be a mayhem and we will again become the joke of bowling which we used to be in late 80's to late 90's.

[vishalvirsingh]

in my 11 for GABBA , i will not want to play any SPINNER at all. 

 

akashdeep cannot sit outside with the form he showed in india. Harshit was great in his first test and in second test he kind of failed but he did create some opportunities and i guess he was not asked to bowl bouncers in the second test. 

Nitish is a batsman and a trundler under 133K pacer and i feel he should be our 5th Pacer.

why this is a good attack is bcos-

- BOOM has to PLAY and if he is over bowled , he can pull his harmstring and we loose him for the rest of the series.

-SIRAJ , harshit, akashdeep can be asked to stretch and go hard at the batsman with BOUNCERS and a full on attack. with load divided into 3 pacers and Nitish to support i feel they would do well as a bowling UNIT.

so my team for gabba would be

Yashasvi and ROHIT to OPEN

Gill at no 3

Kohli at no 4

Rishabh at no 5- i am tempted to play Jurel and RISHABH and drop KL rahul

Nitish

JUREL at no 6 and play him as Keeper- i dislike Rishabh as keeper.

harshit

akashdeep

BOOM

Siraj

 

opening is a left and right combo and both attacking batsman, who are kind of a threat to STARC. Rohit has hit starc for 3 or 4 four;s in a row too and Rohit is a tiger , dont underestimate him, i trust his batting. if he is in bad form still he is our best HOOKER. he is getting LBW and Bowled and i expect such a big batsman to figure out that issue and sort it out with Gautam gambhir.

rishabh is messing his batting as he under performs with his keeping and then scores little as a batsman. i feel his batting will improve once he does not keep. why should he keep when jurel also can bat and jurel is a phenomenal wicket keeper.

Nitish batting at no 6 will mean that Nitish will have a chance to score 65 runs at least as he gets himself out at 42 every time.

lets hope Harshit bounces few batsman out and scores some runs too.

About akashdeep I am 100 percent sure of Success he has some serious tricks and he will stretch to 142k for sure,

Siraj is also stretching himself and i hope he gets his peak form back.

[vishalvirsingh]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Sen himself is 28 now...

 

If you don't think there is any other option left in domestics except Sen, then we can safely assume that Indian bowling is dead and we have nothing left. Better to stop playing the bowlers totally and fill the team with 10 batters + 1 Bumrah.

 

And once Bumrah retires, its all going to be a mayhem and we will again become the joke of bowling which we used to be in late 80's to late 90's.

let's not talk about kuldeep sen now - is he taking big wickets in recent domestic tournaments or SMAT trophy?

he did bowl well earlier and had some genuine pace, but he also seems to be out for 12 months or more..so how good is he today is a big question mark???

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, vishalvirsingh said:

let's not talk about kuldeep sen now - is he taking big wickets in recent domestic tournaments or SMAT trophy?

he did bowl well earlier and had some genuine pace, but he also seems to be out for 12 months or more..so how good is he today is a big question mark???

I was responding to a diff poster that if we are pinning our hopes on Sen, then we should prepare ourselves with the news that Indian pace bowling cupboard in domestic is depleted and finished.

[vishalvirsingh]

24 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

I was responding to a diff poster that if we are pinning our hopes on Sen, then we should prepare ourselves with the news that Indian pace bowling cupboard in domestic is depleted and finished.

Mayank Yadav and Umraan Khan are very highly talented individuals and with proper fitness and a little bit of training can be in India 15 in tests or odi's

apart from these two , there a few more who are close to selection

1. Gurnoor brar, i guess he was in contention to compete with Prasidh.

2. Khaleel is in real contention to play any of the tests in australia.

3. Arshdeep with a little more pace,

4. Tushar desh pande - he had some fitness issue's else he was in contention for coming to australia.

MAYANK Yadav will be in our test team for sena countries as soon as he is marked fit and i feel umraan will also bounce back. i also expect one of the kasmiri bowlers - yudhvir and other bowlers to also come up in the ranks.

Harshit rana and Hangekar are both ready for tests and Harshit will improve, hingekar is also around 140's. if kuldeep sen is fit , he is ready too.

 

i mean our cup board is full of talent , just that we need to get them going/ well trained.

having said that BCCI should create green tracks which encourage fast bowlers so that our bowlers are ready when they play test cricket but what we get in india are PATTA's or Spin friendly tracks...our pace bowlers like harshit , mayank would also turn up into trundlers in a year or two.

see NITISH reddy he is bowling very accurately in Australia - perfect line n length but 128 to 135k , he has got 1 wicket to show in 2 tests, this would have happened to nadkat or any other trundler too , one requires swinging skills of bhuvi or the Pace of BOOM to suceed in tests - medium pacers under 132k dont get easy wickets in TESTS.

 

Edited December 8, 2024 by vishalvirsingh

[AKane]

37 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

MAYANK Yadav will be in our test team for sena countries as soon as he is marked fit

er... and when will that be?

 

That guy has now dropped pace into the 140's from 150's - and is now searching for line and length plus is less effective. This is in T20s and he is "still" getting injured.

 

It is a long ways from there to ODOs to FC cricket to Test cricket.

 

The "as soon as he is" can be a long time coming. 

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Mayank Yadav and Umraan Khan are very highly talented individuals and with proper fitness and a little bit of training can be in India 15 in tests or odi's

apart from these two , there a few more who are close to selection

1. Gurnoor brar, i guess he was in contention to compete with Prasidh.

2. Khaleel is in real contention to play any of the tests in australia.

3. Arshdeep with a little more pace,

4. Tushar desh pande - he had some fitness issue's else he was in contention for coming to australia.

MAYANK Yadav will be in our test team for sena countries as soon as he is marked fit and i feel umraan will also bounce back. i also expect one of the kasmiri bowlers - yudhvir and other bowlers to also come up in the ranks.

Harshit rana and Hangekar are both ready for tests and Harshit will improve, hingekar is also around 140's. if kuldeep sen is fit , he is ready too.

 

i mean our cup board is full of talent , just that we need to get them going/ well trained.

having said that BCCI should create green tracks which encourage fast bowlers so that our bowlers are ready when they play test cricket but what we get in india are PATTA's or Spin friendly tracks...our pace bowlers like harshit , mayank would also turn up into trundlers in a year or two.

see NITISH reddy he is bowling very accurately in Australia - perfect line n length but 128 to 135k , he has got 1 wicket to show in 2 tests, this would have happened to nadkat or any other trundler too , one requires swinging skills of bhuvi or the Pace of BOOM to suceed in tests - medium pacers under 132k dont get easy wickets in TESTS.

 

I know we have bowlers, question is though that fans get impatient and want immediate results. That's not how things work.

Young bowlers can have an off match or series in the early days. Shami on his first tour to England took 5 wickets in 3 Tests, not every bowler can be of Bumrah's calibre and perform immediately. On top of it our batting is such that bowlers are always under pressure and the less I say about captaincy the better it is.

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

I know we have bowlers, question is though that fans get impatient and want immediate results. That's not how things work.

Young bowlers can have an off match or series in the early days. Shami on his first tour to England took 5 wickets in 3 Tests, not every bowler can be of Bumrah's calibre and perform immediately. On top of it our batting is such that bowlers are always under pressure and the less I say about captaincy the better it is.

England have trusted white ball specialists like Atkinson and he's giving them results

So it's not all gloom,why not trust them

We are certainly not a country that loves fast bowlers,we want readymade products ,you can see here they are expecting a 2 test old kid to control a pro like Head like a boss, seriously?

He will surely learn,and he's isn't a braindead bowler

Players come out of systems,teams go through lull but they mature and deliver results and mind you Ishant,Umesh too were below average in first 5 years

All they needed a good supportive captain and coach which they got in Kohli and Arun

That alone transformed our idea of fast bowling

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

I know we have bowlers, question is though that fans get impatient and want immediate results. That's not how things work.

Young bowlers can have an off match or series in the early days. Shami on his first tour to England took 5 wickets in 3 Tests, not every bowler can be of Bumrah's calibre and perform immediately. On top of it our batting is such that bowlers are always under pressure and the less I say about captaincy the better it is.

Bumrah before making his test debut had played international cricket for 2 years. Was already an established international cricketer.  He was considered an LOI specialist then.

[singhvivek141]

19 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah before making his test debut had played international cricket for 2 years. Was already an established international cricketer.  He was considered an LOI specialist then.

Yeah, Bumrah had that luxury because we already had experienced bowlers in Ishant, Umesh, Shami & Bhuvi in Tests. Thats why it's important to identify the right bowlers so that we have ready made replacement.

 

We don't have bowlers left now in the longest format...Shami is already 34-35 years old. Its a matter of time before his body gives up. Akashdeep & Rana are still finding their feet and trying to win the confidence of captain and coach.

[Nikhil_cric]

19 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Starc has a strike rate of 48 over 369 test wickets. He is as good as any test bowler and just below ATGs.

Skewed a fair bit by his pink ball stats.  Australia play a disproportionate number of pink ball Tests which other teams don't 

 

Starc averages 30 with the red ball. 

[tapandrun]

Nitish Reddy looks a decent batter but not sure if he is a proper allrounder, may be #7/8 bowling option. Cann't be #5/6 bowler. 

[Nikhil_cric]

6 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Nitish Reddy looks a decent batter but not sure if he is a proper allrounder, may be #7/8 bowling option. Cann't be #5/6 bowler. 

Doesn't help when Rohit removes him immediately after picking a wicket.