Vilander Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 6 hours ago, sandeep said: Rabada just took a 10-fer and averages in the teens at home. Has Shami taken a 10-fer anywhere yet? Don't get me wrong, I believe a fully fit Shami is world class and bound to address this sooner rather than later. But he hasn't really taken wickets in bunches yet. What about Amir ? Link to comment
sandeep Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Vilander said: What about Amir ? what about him? IIRC Shami averages 8 runs fewer per test wicket than him in the last 2 years or something like that. That says it all. As the great Bill Parcells said - "You are, what your record says you are". Shami averages 24 per wicket, SR of 51. Amir averages 37, SR of 80. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/481896.html?class=1;spanmax1=09+Oct+2017;spanmin1=09+Oct+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling;view=series http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/290948.html?class=1;spanmax1=09+Oct+2017;spanmin1=09+Oct+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling;view=series Edited October 9, 2017 by sandeep Added Stats Link to comment
Vilander Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 45 minutes ago, sandeep said: what about him? IIRC Shami averages 8 runs fewer per test wicket than him in the last 2 years or something like that. That says it all. As the great Bill Parcells said - "You are, what your record says you are". Shami averages 24 per wicket, SR of 51. Amir averages 37, SR of 80. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/481896.html?class=1;spanmax1=09+Oct+2017;spanmin1=09+Oct+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling;view=series http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/290948.html?class=1;spanmax1=09+Oct+2017;spanmin1=09+Oct+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling;view=series Precisely...Amir is junk. Link to comment
sarcastic Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 10 hours ago, Rightarmfast said: Ishant is honestly way better than Amir. He isnt that useless. People on this forum are just short of tirades for Ishant Sharma but they just don't understand it is not easy to stay fit and play for so long for team India. He was not that productive in terms of wickets but he was quite useful for the captains for his workhorse attitude and "hit the deck" type of fast bowling. Rightarmfast and maniac 2 Link to comment
sarcastic Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 And for the record for those who are not following Ranji trophy, Ishant returned with the figures 20-7-38-5 in his first Innings as captain... Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
Nonbeliever Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just because we could not handle amir in few matches does not make him better than rabada. sandeep 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 10 hours ago, sandeep said: Rabada just took a 10-fer and averages in the teens at home. Has Shami taken a 10-fer anywhere yet? Don't get me wrong, I believe a fully fit Shami is world class and bound to address this sooner rather than later. But he hasn't really taken wickets in bunches yet. 10 fer against BD in SA conditions is no big deal. It would mean something had he done in BD or in presence of Steyn, philander. Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, rkt.india said: 10 fer against BD in SA conditions is no big deal. It would mean something had he done in BD or in presence of Steyn, philander. Any 10-fer, by definition, is a big deal. It may not be an utter-stamp of domination and a career-defining performance, but bowlers don't pick up 10-fers like candy, unless their name is Murali. Even if it isn't a big deal, its definitely a move towards increasing the gap between mr-10fer and a rival who is far below him in record. Edited October 9, 2017 by Muloghonto Link to comment
Oldhere Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 15 hours ago, King Tendulkar said: Amir and his age like other paks lol reminds me of story Swann told . As both him and shoaib Malik played in same under 19 World Cup . Swann is 38 while Malik is apparently 35 Not swann but Tudor i think. Tudor and Malik played same under 15 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, Oldhere said: Not swann but Tudor i think. Tudor and Malik played same under 15 Swann said that U19 thing Link to comment
rkt.india Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 34 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Any 10-fer, by definition, is a big deal. It may not be an utter-stamp of domination and a career-defining performance, but bowlers don't pick up 10-fers like candy, unless their name is Murali. Even if it isn't a big deal, its definitely a move towards increasing the gap between mr-10fer and a rival who is far below him in record. I consider Rabada better than Aamir, but not just because he took 10-fer against BD. Link to comment
Kohlifan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 For Me its Rabada... He bowls better even on dead pitches... Amir goes into hiding more often then the other. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Oldhere said: Not swann but Tudor i think. Tudor and Malik played same under 15 No Swann defo said this story Link to comment
Tibarn Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 It's not even close. Rabada is the best young bowler in the world, assuming Starc isn't considered young... Amir is a mediocre Test bowler, although he is good in limited overs. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 08/10/2017 at 11:42 AM, chewy said: Amir is definetely good, but rather have Rabada, it's pretty clear by now Amir is selfish person, plays for the limelight and only capable of short bursts of world class bowling, then goes awol, then comes a nice juicy track and people go gaga, hype machine repeats. Bingo Link to comment
Oldhere Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 23 hours ago, King Tendulkar said: No Swann defo said this story Tudor’s was on twitter. i think it was u-15 wc which kaif nd sodhi won. but i could be wrong as havent got chance to check Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 18 minutes ago, Oldhere said: Tudor’s was on twitter. i think it was u-15 wc which kaif nd sodhi won. but i could be wrong as havent got chance to check Probably both saying same thing . Laughing at Malik age thing lol Link to comment
Black Zero Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Last time I checked Amir won Pak 2 world titles, the 2009 wt20 and 2017 CT he killed the chase before it could even took off, In test I agree Rabada is better but What SA need is World Cups not bilateral test series, they have won every thing in that format, but overall I would still take Amir Over Rabada unless he can win Some Actual silverware for Saffers, but considering his team's choker tag he may never even get to a final let alone winning it. Link to comment
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