In Kashmir, Indian security forces use pellet guns that often blind protesters

[panther]

20 minutes ago, dial_100 said:

Muslims have been persecuting original kashmiris for 100s of years. The last massacre happened in the 80s-90s. Do these idiot Pakistani know anything about Kashmir history. Do they know how they got majority in the valley? Read your history of how you converted people, how you massacred, butchered thousands and evicted millions. The way you got majority, the same way it will be regained now. You don't like it, go f-off anywhere else. We don't need you. You don't get Kashmir, not even an inch.

 

I love all those kashmiris who live peacefully. Stone pelters, irrespective of your age don't have my sympathy. You make terrorist from the age of 2-4. Shame on you.

Don't cry when Ghazwa e hind happens than.

[dial_100]

Let us know when you guys are ready for that. Insha allah.

[Muloghonto]

22 hours ago, Finer said:

So basically genocide didn't happen against Muslims in India? Ajit Doval didn't threaten to unleash terrorism on video-confession? India agent is not caught on Balochistan trespassing through Iran? Indian army is committing genocide against native Kashmiris? And No capital rape of the world? And you guys didn't vote for allegedly genocider as PM of India?

 

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1.The only time there was a genocide of muslims in India is during partition, just like there was a genocide against hindus in Pakistan.

2. No, Ajit Doval didnt threaten any such thing, he pointed it out as an option. Stating possibilities and threats are different things

3. Indian agent was caught trespassing in Baluchistan. As they should. Based on what Pakistan has done in Kashmir, we haven't done even 0.001% back in Baluchistan and its high time we caught up. 

4. Indian army is not committing genocide against native Kashmiris. 

5. We didnt vote for an alleged genocider. Unless you are dense, i've already explained to you why you cannot call someone an 'alleged xyz' after they have been exonerated of the charge.

6. Rape capital ? hardly. If you want rape capital, look no further than Nigeria. 

[Muloghonto]

24 minutes ago, Finer said:

One is threatening to unleash  terrorism against Pakistan officially is rant. Whilst your is not rant judging by your lack of ground reality on Azad Kashmir? Take a trip to beautiful peaceful Azad Kashmir unlike IOK where its native Kashmiris sees Indian army as evil Nazis. 

We have no idea what Pakistan Occupied Kashmiris think, except that all their elections are rigged (unlike in Indian Kashmir).

The only reason there is turmoil in Kashmir is because an illegal occupier called Pakistan sponsors terrorism and secessionism in Kashmir.

 

[Muloghonto]

20 hours ago, Finer said:

Why not? The world knows that Pakistan is eradicating terrorism on massive level, and to the extent, Pakistan has been brought to task force to tackle the threat of ISIS by USA personally. Not only that, Pakistan has been cooperative with USA on war on terrorism. And Pakistan just signed defense deal with KSA to provide protection for Makkah and Medina against ISIS.

 

Whereas India is caught red-handed for promoting terrorism in Afghanistan, Balochistan, Karachi and the rest of Pakistan. As i said earlier, the interpretation is quite open for everyone. Not only that, video confession of in-charge, Ajit Doval from National Security Advisor in threatening to unleash terrorism also makes it plain clear for the world to understand.

1.Sorry, but your Pakistani media is a joke. India is ranked 133 in freedom of media while Pakistan is ranked 147th.

2. Pakistan is the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world, both of Pakistan's neighbors - India and Afghanistan- are officially on record for stating so and when Paksitan dismantles LeT and other India-centric terrorist groups, we can take such claims of Pakistan iradicating terrorism seriously. Till then, the action against TTP is nothing more than getting rid of rogue agents of its own making.

3. Most of the civilized world knows there is a difference between a personal opinion and opinion of the office. But in Pakistan,where rule of law is an alien concept, such things are easily confused i understand.

 

[zen]

42 minutes ago, Finer said:

One is openly threatening to unleash terrorism against Pakistan officially and the other is UN Resolution which is still being debated by official of Pakistan and India.

 

So you are going to compare them both?

 

Forget about Pakistan/India and UN Resolution for the sake of debate.

 

Ajit Doval, in-charge of NSA aka National Security Advisor, openly threatened to unleash terrorism against Pakistan officially and that means nothing to you? He is practically asking for Nuclear war. That is not primary concern to you?

 

37 minutes ago, Finer said:

One is threatening to unleash  terrorism against Pakistan officially is rant. Whilst your is not rant judging by your lack of ground reality on Azad Kashmir? Take a trip to beautiful peaceful Azad Kashmir unlike IOK where its native Kashmiris sees Indian army as evil Nazis. 

I have posted the entire video. Your answer lies in it. Unless your English is poor, I don't see how anyone can see a discussing of options as a threat  .... I think so many folks have explained to you on this subject but you seem to be ignoring it and posting the same thing again and again

 

UN Resolution is important because it is something on paper and still your understanding of it appears to be inaccurate.  If you are ignoring it and putting more weightage on a discussion of strategy, it shows you are not here to discuss matters in the right spirit 

 

FYI, POK includes not just Azad Kashmir but also other areas:

 

 

So if you think that POK is full of natives, you need to do more research on it. Also learn that Pak gave away a part of POK to China 

 

With that out of the way, let's clear a few more points: 

 

• Even if Sir Doval made a threat, it is NOT an issue. A terrorist nation like Pak deserves to be threatened. Ind does not have to be nice to Pak considering it is an enemy state 
• Pak has used up all its lives. There is a serious trust deficit.  So what Pak thinks or says, does not matter. No one buys Pak's arguments as they are invalid opinions based on "tailored" facts 
• By posting such nonsense, you are only vindicating people's negative perception of Pak. Only today, a Pakistani-American couple was thrown out of a plane. Probably, goes to show how much people love the sight of Pakistanis 

 

So rather than worrying about whether Sir Doval made a threat to Pak, Pak should be cleaning up on guys like Hafeez Saeed (not cleaning up on such guys can be interpreted as an official threat to Ind) and vacating POK. By not doing that and keeping a bad attitude (What is Pak?), it is positioning itself in the line of fire 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2016 by zen

[Malcolm Merlyn]

59 minutes ago, Finer said:

Modi came back home with slapped on the face and utter humiliation. India was not considered important in comparison to Pakistan. Pakistan is important to Arab nations and Turkey which Modi's plan backfired hence came back home empty-handed.

 

Even today, Turkey just voiced its support for Pakistan for IOK after SAARC summit.

 

Pakistan is not crying but India is. Can you honestly deny as Khan termed Indian oppression to native Kashmiris as terrorism in SAARC summit in front of the whole world which didn't sit well with Home Minister of India?

You are a beggar in front of Arab nations.Your leaders kneel before the Saudis and company.

 

Pakistan more important than India. Who told you this?

 

Modi was received and escorted by the crown Prince in UAE.Was the only foreign leader who was allowed to address a huge public gathering in UAE.Unlike your leaders who go and stand there with their hands tied asking for orders.

 

Modi was awarded the highest civilian award of Saudi Arabia,while your media and leaders burnt.

 

Your PM Your Generals have been crying about Kashmir since 1948 at UN and at every multilateral summit.No one gives a damn.Rajnath Singh left because Pakistan blocked out the Indian media from SAARC summit,including the media team travelling with Singh.Pakistan isnt worth of holding a multi lateral event.Your mentioning of Kashmir anywhere means nothing to anyone around the world.No one is going to support your terrorists in Kashmir.

 

[zen]

Because Pak is so bad, its citizens try to portray other nations equally bad to show that "everyone is like this"

 

Since everyone is not like that, they have to manufacture facts using Lahore logic

 

As the facts are manufactured, they don't stick. Therefore to make the facts stick, they repeat it again and again hoping that at some point it will be perceived as truth (at the same time avoiding facts presented to it by others)

 

But lies are often exposed sooner rather than later so Pak gets further exposed

 

After being further exposed, Pak would be in an even worse position. So these guys again repeat the process - this time trying to make the other country look even worse

 

As usual, the end result is a failure. But since these guys know nothing else, they keep repeating the process

 

The question is NOT who threatens Pak but why is Pak not being threatened? Why is it being tolerated? Why is it even being allowed to present manufactured facts? No body owes anything to Pak

 

 

Edited August 5, 2016 by zen

[Muloghonto]

42 minutes ago, zen said:

Because Pak is so bad, its citizens try to portray other nations equally bad to show that "everyone is like this"

 

Since everyone is not like that, they have to manufacture facts using Lahore logic

 

As the facts are manufactured, they don't stick. Therefore to make the facts stick, they repeat it again and again hoping that at some point it will be perceived as truth (at the same time avoiding facts presented to it by others)

 

But lies are often exposed sooner rather than later so Pak gets further exposed

 

After being further exposed, Pak would be in an even worse position. So these guys again repeat the process - this time trying to make the other country look even worse

 

As usual, the end result is a failure. But since these guys know nothing else, they keep repeating the process

 

The question is NOT who threatens Pak but why is Pak not being threatened? Why is it being tolerated? Why is it even being allowed to present manufactured facts? No body owes anything to Pak

 

 

Nukes in the hands of the army that encourages mullah-brigade and extremism is a huge, huge deterrent. We missed our chances with Pak in the 70s & 80s. Now, all we can do, is build a wall around it and cut all ties to it.

AFAIAC, we should only be issuing 2 week tourist visas to Pak citizens and that should be the ONLY type of visas we ever issue to them, period.

 

[rkt.india]

 

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Ladakhis scared about Kashmiris who are shifting to Ladakh

http://u4uvoice.com/ladakhis-scared-about-kashmiris-who-are-shifting-to-ladakh/

 

Leh, August 3: Kashmir unrest is in its fourth week now and the continuing turmoil has presented a trend that the citizens of Ladakh are not enterely happy about. A number of families from Kashmir, including nomads, have been shifting to a rather ‘peaceful’ Ladakh.

A sizeable number of Ladakhi people are taking this development with more than a pinch of salt because of the speculation that anti-social elements and extremists can use a veiled migration to cause tension in Ladakh itself.

The red flag has been raised by BJP party councillor from Leh council, Jamyang Tsering Namgyal, in the social media while making an appeal to the police authorities to keep a close watch on the stay of the migrant families.

“Many of Khachulpas (Kashmiris), especially youth, are entering Ladakh avoiding the Khachuli halat (Kashmir situation) these days. During my last Zanskar visit, I have seen hundreds of Khachulpas with tented camps in Rangdum and a number of groups in the Drass-Kargil-Leh route. I hope all police checkposts have been doing their duty and making the required enquiries,” Namgyal wrote in his Facebook post.

“Many of Khachulpas are coming to stay in Leh with their relatives and friends who are working in Leh. Some families are staying in tents in Choglamsar. Some even want to buy land from locals to construct houses. It’s our collective responsibility to make the public aware of the consequences so that we can keep intact the peace, progress and prosperity of Ladakh. I wish Ladakh will remain as Ladakh, not change to Khachul (Kashmir).”

As such, Ladakh has two districts with Leh dominated by Buddhists and Kargil has a muslim-majority. In past Ladakh has witnessed communal clashes between the two communities over various issues, particularly religious conversion.

“There is no doubt there is little in common between the Kashmiri and Ladakhi people. Their outlook is quite different. Many people from Kashmir visit and stay in Ladakh as tourists but in the past they have not come here for permanent settlement,” said Nawang Rigzin Jora, Congress MLA from Leh as quoted by The Tribune.

Vice-president of the Ladakh Buddhist Association PT Kunzang mentioned that the concerned authorities have been briefed about the development. “After the unrest in Kashmir, a large number of families from Kashmir have been staying in Leh. We are keeping a close watch on the situation as there may be some elements among them who may create trouble and cause disturbance here. We are in constant touch with the administration as well as the Muslim representatives in Leh district,” he said.

Stanzin Dorjey, SHO, Leh police station, said they had learnt that some families from Kashmir had come to the Choglamsar area but they had to verify the same. “We have kept a close watch on all entry and exit points of Leh town and the identification of every visitor is checked properly,” he added.

The twin districts have witnessed demographic changes in the recent years. According to the 2001 census, the Buddhist percentage dipped by 7.96 in the combined population of Leh and Kargil districts while the Muslim percentage went up by 1.97.

 

 

Edited August 6, 2016 by rkt.india

[rkt.india]

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Why do you think no one is bothered about Pakistani whining over Kashmir.Everyone knows that the terrorists are behind this and no one is going to support the terrorists.

[zen]

It is mainly the people in the valley that are creating the problem. There is no way Ind should have accepted the situation when people of other religious were forced out of Kashmir 

 

Kashmir Issue, a manufactured problem

 

"Jammu and Kashmir in Numbers

The State of Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) under India’s administration accounts for roughly 3% of India’s land area and 1% of its population. Of this 1% population, roughly two-thirds is Muslim and the rest is divided amongst Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, etc.  Of the two-thirds of the Muslim population, approximately 90% lives in the Kashmir valley. It should be noted that because of terrorism, a part of the non-Muslim population was forced to move out of J&K.  J&K is divided into Kashmir Valley (16%), Jammu (26%) and Ladakh (59%) regions. In terms of population, Kashmir Valley accounts for roughly 54% of its population, while Jammu and Ladakh account for the balance. As for the contribution towards economy, J&K accounts for less than 1% of India’s GDP (Nominal, 2012-13).

When people talk about the issue in Kashmir under India’s administration, they are by and large referring to the issues that those residing in the Kashmir valley are supposed to have with the Indian administration. In terms of numbers, we are talking about approximately 0.5% of the total land and population of India, and 16% area of J&K."

 

 

Edited August 6, 2016 by zen

[zen]

 

^ a sensible view from Pak 

Edited August 6, 2016 by zen

[velu]

5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

 

if it is Russia , putin might have a sent these people to meet their respective gods 

[Vilander]

the ammount of probaganda in this guy finers post ia ridiculous.

No matter how much you post your vitriol it does not change the fact that India is the soverign of Kashmir. Pak is illegal occupier and aids terrorism. Pak will not get any more land from India.  India will take land from pak. Isolate and punish you in international stage ruthlessly. The cost of this mischief is your daily bread it will be excruciatingly vivid punishment its in works :)

[Vilander]

On 8/4/2016 at 11:22 PM, Finer said:

Like i said, Indian medias trained you well enough to be delusion alright. To the extent, you don't see the irony of your official in-charge of National Security Advisor openly threatening to unleash terrorism on massive levels. The fact that you guys don't see that never mind your Indian army ruling I.O.K unjustly as well as appointing allegedly mass genocider as PM of India. I gotta say, your Indian medias done well on you guys.

Pathetic lie of a post. Elucidate. India is sovereign of kashmiri land pak is occupying. Dont cry un resolution without reading it. 

[zen]

14 minutes ago, Finer said:

So video-confession is not gonna cut to you? I mean you have video-confession available to public of Ajit Doval, in-charge of National Security Advisor, threatening to unleash the terrorism against Pakistan and that is not concern to you?

Didn't I answer that already in the post that you quoted?

 

Once again, first of all, it is not a confession but a discussion on strategy. 2nd, if you think it is, it is still not an issue as a terrorist like Pak needs to be tackled

 

For Ind, Pak is just like AQ, IS, etc. 

 

Edited August 8, 2016 by zen

[randomGuy]

So if Pakistanis think India is wrecking havoc in each of their provinces particularly in Baluchistan, why are they Still dumb enough to needle in Kashmir?

 

Wars couldn't get them anything neither would terrorism , rather the retaliation from India is very painful  for them. Why still pursue it?

 

Reason is that conflict with India is the bread n butter for army, isi n jihadis. Finer, why can't u look through this?

[zen]

1 minute ago, Finer said:

It is confession to unleash terrorism against Pakistan. Judging by the pattern in Karachi, Balochistan, KPK and Afghanistan, this has exceeded beyond the strategy now.

 

As for your last line, it is not even same. Pakistan is fighting to eradicate terrorism whereas India is pumping terrorism through Afghanistan. In fact, that video confession is dead give-away hint.

Those lines don't work anymore. Pak has been exposed and has zero creditability