Purely on performance who are the best young fast bowlers in Indian domestics

[maniac]

We have a criteria when picking batsmen...we are all excited for Pant,Kishan and Iyer's of the world based on their averages and S/R,which means we are looking at actual performances.

 

when it comes to bowlers we seem to get excited when we see any bowler who can hit 140K's as we have burnt our fingers with the one's who have had outstanding stats in the past like the Vinay Kumar,Unadkat,Rishi Dhawan,Pankaj Singh's of the world,so it is fair enough.

 

But this thread is about maintaining a  middle ground...who are the fast bowlers who seem to have skills,pace and at the same time have returns to show for their performance?

 

No Sarcastic Vinay,Unadkat references please.

 

Look at Bhuvaneshwar Kumar-He was a good FC performer but a typical 125-130K medium pacer but he was able to sustain at the international level woth some good performances and is one of our Top 3-4 fast bowlers in the international side.

 

I keep hearing about Nathu Singh and some other aira-gairas that they can hit 140-150 but who are the fast bowlers who have not been tried yet who are actually performing?

 

Some names would be interesting

[express bowling]

These are the highest wicket takers in Ranji Trophy this season so far -

 

The names in Red  are the ones that I know to be seamers

 

(   Pacers like Aaron, Nathu, Sangwan etc. started off well but has missed most / many of  the matches this season so far and hence are not in the list   )

 

 

Most wickets

Player	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
Pankaj Singh	6	11	211.4	52	644	31	5/39	9/65	20.77	3.04	40.9	2	0
(Rajasthan)
S Nadeem	6	11	294.5	47	980	29	7/74	12/168	33.79	3.32	61.0	2	1
(Jharkhand)
YS Chahal	6	10	238.4	69	618	28	6/44	8/112	22.07	2.58	51.1	2	0
(Haryana)
S Kaul	5	9	192.1	34	556	27	6/27	7/81	20.59	2.89	42.7	3	0
(Punjab)
Ashish Kumar	6	12	210.0	46	579	27	4/52	7/86	21.44	2.75	46.6	0	0
(Jharkhand)
Kuldeep Yadav	6	10	210.0	28	763	27	6/79	9/222	28.25	3.63	46.6	2	0
(Uttar Pradesh)
K Vignesh	5	10	179.0	56	413	26	5/23	9/70	15.88	2.30	41.3	2	0
(Tamil Nadu)
Parvez Rasool	6	9	221.5	48	560	26	5/89	7/95	21.53	2.52	51.1	2	0
(Jammu & Kashmir)
AK Das	6	8	154.4	35	416	25	7/49	12/70	16.64	2.68	37.1	2	1
(Assam)
SB Jakati	6	11	239.5	63	675	25	5/86	9/153	27.00	2.81	57.5	1	0
(Goa)
RR Singh	5	10	175.1	43	527	24	7/42	8/98	21.95	3.00	43.7	2	0
(Goa)
AJ Mandal	6	12	270.4	98	584	24	4/26	7/96	24.33	2.15	67.6	0	0
(Chhattisgarh)
BA Bhatt	6	10	292.3	70	675	24	5/60	9/182	28.12	2.30	73.1	1	0
(Andhra)
AA Sanklecha	5	8	158.1	47	378	23	7/25	14/94	16.43	2.38	41.2	3	1
(Maharashtra)
IC Pandey	5	8	200.2	44	586	23	8/102	11/127	25.47	2.92	52.2	1	1
(Madhya Pradesh)
S Aravind	4	8	122.0	52	249	22	5/70	7/55	11.31	2.04	33.2	1	0
(Karnataka)

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ranji-trophy-2016-17/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=11519;type=tournament

 

 

Edited November 17, 2016 by express bowling

[SUMO]

nathu 
rajpoot
aniket
shardul
avesh khan 
khalil ahmed 

all are 140+ , also
less excited about --- VP singh, chama lilind, krishna das, arup das 
 

[fineleg]

11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

These are the highest wicket takers in Ranji Trophy this season so far -

 

The names in Red  are the ones that I know to be seamers

 

(   Pacers like Aaron, Nathu, Sangwan etc. started off well but has missed most / many of  the matches this season so far and hence are not in the list   )

 

 

Most wickets

Player	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
Pankaj Singh	6	11	211.4	52	644	31	5/39	9/65	20.77	3.04	40.9	2	0
(Rajasthan)
S Nadeem	6	11	294.5	47	980	29	7/74	12/168	33.79	3.32	61.0	2	1
(Jharkhand)
YS Chahal	6	10	238.4	69	618	28	6/44	8/112	22.07	2.58	51.1	2	0
(Haryana)
S Kaul	5	9	192.1	34	556	27	6/27	7/81	20.59	2.89	42.7	3	0
(Punjab)
Ashish Kumar	6	12	210.0	46	579	27	4/52	7/86	21.44	2.75	46.6	0	0
(Jharkhand)
Kuldeep Yadav	6	10	210.0	28	763	27	6/79	9/222	28.25	3.63	46.6	2	0
(Uttar Pradesh)
K Vignesh	5	10	179.0	56	413	26	5/23	9/70	15.88	2.30	41.3	2	0
(Tamil Nadu)
Parvez Rasool	6	9	221.5	48	560	26	5/89	7/95	21.53	2.52	51.1	2	0
(Jammu & Kashmir)
AK Das	6	8	154.4	35	416	25	7/49	12/70	16.64	2.68	37.1	2	1
(Assam)
SB Jakati	6	11	239.5	63	675	25	5/86	9/153	27.00	2.81	57.5	1	0
(Goa)
RR Singh	5	10	175.1	43	527	24	7/42	8/98	21.95	3.00	43.7	2	0
(Goa)
AJ Mandal	6	12	270.4	98	584	24	4/26	7/96	24.33	2.15	67.6	0	0
(Chhattisgarh)
BA Bhatt	6	10	292.3	70	675	24	5/60	9/182	28.12	2.30	73.1	1	0
(Andhra)
AA Sanklecha	5	8	158.1	47	378	23	7/25	14/94	16.43	2.38	41.2	3	1
(Maharashtra)
IC Pandey	5	8	200.2	44	586	23	8/102	11/127	25.47	2.92	52.2	1	1
(Madhya Pradesh)
S Aravind	4	8	122.0	52	249	22	5/70	7/55	11.31	2.04	33.2	1	0
(Karnataka)

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ranji-trophy-2016-17/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=11519;type=tournament

 

 

Hmmm I dont see standout good (137+) pacers

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, fineleg said:

Hmmm I dont see standout good (137+) pacers

 

Pankaj Singh and  K. Vignesh are the quickest in that list.

 

Amit Kuila and  Tushar Deshpande are 2 other quicker pacers who have good wickets / match this season.

 

As  I  said.....Aaron, Nathu and Sangwan have missed many  matches this season.

Edited November 17, 2016 by express bowling

[Brainfade]

46 minutes ago, fineleg said:

Hmmm I dont see standout good (137+) pacers

It's not a list of fast bowlers, but a list of non-spin bowlers :)

[MCcricket]

Bowlers who have bowled well n have good potential n pace but not in the list because of games played

M Siraj

Amit Kulia

Aniket Choudhury

Pradeep Sangwan

Aniket is ready to play for India,has pace bounce, is a tall left armer, stats to match, unfortunate selectors are oblivious

[cowboysfan]

the regulars speed freaks are here with the 140 k nonsense,are you guys watching Philander bowl?.Give me a consistent bowler anyday who can bowl consistent Seam bowling and can take wickets in a bunch.

[Laaloo]

4 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

the regulars speed freaks are here with the 140 k nonsense,are you guys watching Philander bowl?.Give me a consistent bowler anyday who can bowl consistent Seam bowling and can take wickets in a bunch.

Give me Dale Steyn instead

 

 

[maniac]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Pankaj Singh and  K. Vignesh are the quickest in that list.

 

Amit Kuila and  Tushar Deshpande are 2 other quicker pacers who have good wickets / match this season.

 

As  I  said.....Aaron, Nathu and Sangwan have missed many  matches this season.

Pankaj Singh was ordinary and that was for everyone to see,but for being a consistent workhorse deserves may be 1 more shot...If Vinay Kumar got so many chances why not? may be 1 or 2 more.

 

Need to reward performances and then add things like pace as an add on criteria....None of the so called 140K pacers listed...maybe Rajpoot who seems to have a decent FC record prior have anything to show for....and if they are missing out games in domestics,what guarantees that they can get through rigours of a 3 test series leave alone 5,

 

I love pace as much as anyone on here but a guy bowling 140+ without brains is as much as a trundler as a guy who is 125k without any skill.

[The Realist]

Gone are the days when spinners used to rule the roost in India. The quick-men have taken over. We have heard of fast bowlers hunting in pairs and we have seen some lethal bowling combinations in the game of cricket. In the Indian domestic circuit too there have been several bowlers who have done well in partnership to win their team laurels. For treble title-defenders Karnataka, they have a pack of three which has consistently delivered for its team for the past couple of seasons.

Vinay Kumar 

Abhimanyu Mithun

Sreenath Aravind 

[maniac]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

These are the highest wicket takers in Ranji Trophy this season so far -

 

The names in Red  are the ones that I know to be seamers

 

(   Pacers like Aaron, Nathu, Sangwan etc. started off well but has missed most / many of  the matches this season so far and hence are not in the list   )

 

 

Most wickets

Player	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
Pankaj Singh	6	11	211.4	52	644	31	5/39	9/65	20.77	3.04	40.9	2	0
(Rajasthan)
S Nadeem	6	11	294.5	47	980	29	7/74	12/168	33.79	3.32	61.0	2	1
(Jharkhand)
YS Chahal	6	10	238.4	69	618	28	6/44	8/112	22.07	2.58	51.1	2	0
(Haryana)
S Kaul	5	9	192.1	34	556	27	6/27	7/81	20.59	2.89	42.7	3	0
(Punjab)
Ashish Kumar	6	12	210.0	46	579	27	4/52	7/86	21.44	2.75	46.6	0	0
(Jharkhand)
Kuldeep Yadav	6	10	210.0	28	763	27	6/79	9/222	28.25	3.63	46.6	2	0
(Uttar Pradesh)
K Vignesh	5	10	179.0	56	413	26	5/23	9/70	15.88	2.30	41.3	2	0
(Tamil Nadu)
Parvez Rasool	6	9	221.5	48	560	26	5/89	7/95	21.53	2.52	51.1	2	0
(Jammu & Kashmir)
AK Das	6	8	154.4	35	416	25	7/49	12/70	16.64	2.68	37.1	2	1
(Assam)
SB Jakati	6	11	239.5	63	675	25	5/86	9/153	27.00	2.81	57.5	1	0
(Goa)
RR Singh	5	10	175.1	43	527	24	7/42	8/98	21.95	3.00	43.7	2	0
(Goa)
AJ Mandal	6	12	270.4	98	584	24	4/26	7/96	24.33	2.15	67.6	0	0
(Chhattisgarh)
BA Bhatt	6	10	292.3	70	675	24	5/60	9/182	28.12	2.30	73.1	1	0
(Andhra)
AA Sanklecha	5	8	158.1	47	378	23	7/25	14/94	16.43	2.38	41.2	3	1
(Maharashtra)
IC Pandey	5	8	200.2	44	586	23	8/102	11/127	25.47	2.92	52.2	1	1
(Madhya Pradesh)
S Aravind	4	8	122.0	52	249	22	5/70	7/55	11.31	2.04	33.2	1	0
(Karnataka)

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ranji-trophy-2016-17/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=11519;type=tournament

 

 

Could you post for the last 2-3 years and also include Duleep trophy if that is possible

[eternalhope]

Sakure of MP seems like I be doing decent. Heard he is the quickest of the MP bowlers which has Ishwar  Pandey in the lineup.

[Mosher]

Aravind's average is 11.3

[Texan]

Looking at the way Pankaj keeps getting wickets and plugging away, I sometimes wonder if we have been wrong about his capabilities. He was given a chance in England but hasn't played a single Test at home. Sometimes some bowlers who have played a lot of domestic cricket have moulded their bowling twchnique to suit Indian conditions and are better suited at home. Both Srinath and Kapil averaged around 26 at home but 33 away. Perhaps he deserves at least one or two chances at home. 

[Lannister]

20 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Aravind's average is 11.3

No matter how some fans here would like to ridicule him, that is some serious number and not to mention he's a left handed bowler who is also able to get a decent bounce because of his height. Who knows he might even succeed if we use him intelligently on a pitch that suits his skills. 

[gakgupta]

5 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

the regulars speed freaks are here with the 140 k nonsense,are you guys watching Philander bowl?.Give me a consistent bowler anyday who can bowl consistent Seam bowling and can take wickets in a bunch.

Philander is a very very rare kind.....most of the times, he himself doesn't know which way bowl will seam....his seam is terribly perfect.....But point is...

Does India has anyone like him? Bowling slow doesn't mean, he can be philander....Leta alone India, none in the world.....He has a very special skill-set and pace can be easily compromised......

[gakgupta]

28 minutes ago, Texan said:

Looking at the way Pankaj keeps getting wickets and plugging away, I sometimes wonder if we have been wrong about his capabilities. He was given a chance in England but hasn't played a single Test at home. Sometimes some bowlers who have played a lot of domestic cricket have moulded their bowling twchnique to suit Indian conditions and are better suited at home. Both Srinath and Kapil averaged around 26 at home but 33 away. Perhaps he deserves at least one or two chances at home. 

He should be given a longer run......Esp in india where we deprive of fast bowlers

[Mosher]

26 minutes ago, Lannister said:

No matter how some fans here would like to ridicule him, that is some serious number and not to mention he's a left handed bowler who is also able to get a decent bounce because of his height. Who knows he might even succeed if we use him intelligently on a pitch that suits his skills. 

Aravind is already 32 years old. We have a better option in Aniket Choudhary who is a tall hit the deck bowler and he can move the ball too. Sran is another option in LOI's.

Edited November 18, 2016 by Mosher

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

the regulars speed freaks are here with the 140 k nonsense,are you guys watching Philander bowl?.Give me a consistent bowler anyday who can bowl consistent Seam bowling and can take wickets in a bunch.

Show me a pacer in India who can land 6 balls exactly where he wants to and also knows the exact sequence of deliveries to bowl to take wickets in a bunch consistently.....and I will be happy to take him.

 

Lack of pace does not automatically mean high skills like Philander.

Edited November 18, 2016 by express bowling