So how long is the rope for Saha?

[Sgattick10]

1 minute ago, Sgattick10 said:

Double post. 

Edited January 11, 2018 by Sgattick10

[express bowling]

Saha has done better as a batsman than most test wicket-keepers in the last year, including Bairstow and de Kock

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH)	5	10	2	554	159	69.25	1178	47.02	2	2	0	58	5
N Dickwella (SL)	11	22	2	773	83	38.65	1031	74.97	0	6	1	87	6
WP Saha (INDIA)	12	16	4	431	117	35.91	922	46.74	2	1	2	36	5
JM Bairstow (ENG)	12	21	0	695	119	33.09	1243	55.91	1	3	0	93	3
Q de Kock (SA)	12	19	2	540	91	31.76	746	72.38	0	4	0	72	7
Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK)	5	9	0	260	68	28.88	421	61.75	0	3	0	20	2
MS Wade (AUS)	6	11	2	213	57	23.66	514	41.43	0	1	1	23	2
SO Dowrich (WI)	10	19	1	315	103	17.50	711	44.30	1	1	3	43	1

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=200;qualval1=runs;spanmax1=11+Jan+2018;spanmin1=11+Jan+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Saha has done better as a batsman than most test wicket-keepers in the last year, including Bairstow and de Kock

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH)	5	10	2	554	159	69.25	1178	47.02	2	2	0	58	5
N Dickwella (SL)	11	22	2	773	83	38.65	1031	74.97	0	6	1	87	6
WP Saha (INDIA)	12	16	4	431	117	35.91	922	46.74	2	1	2	36	5
JM Bairstow (ENG)	12	21	0	695	119	33.09	1243	55.91	1	3	0	93	3
Q de Kock (SA)	12	19	2	540	91	31.76	746	72.38	0	4	0	72	7
Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK)	5	9	0	260	68	28.88	421	61.75	0	3	0	20	2
MS Wade (AUS)	6	11	2	213	57	23.66	514	41.43	0	1	1	23	2
SO Dowrich (WI)	10	19	1	315	103	17.50	711	44.30	1	1	3	43	1

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=200;qualval1=runs;spanmax1=11+Jan+2018;spanmin1=11+Jan+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

 

If he doesn't perform this wont matter, if we have to play pandya their wud be pressure of runs from keeper . We all knw pandya wont be consistent and with question mark over even pujara overseas saha has to keep performing. Their wud be some plyer who will always have the extra backing and some will be always on thin ice and saha is one of them. Saha place will not only be affected by his runs but others form as well. 

Saha has to keep making runs, with every failure he will feel a lot of pressure 

[King Tendulkar]

8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Saha has done better as a batsman than most test wicket-keepers in the last year, including Bairstow and de Kock

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH)	5	10	2	554	159	69.25	1178	47.02	2	2	0	58	5
N Dickwella (SL)	11	22	2	773	83	38.65	1031	74.97	0	6	1	87	6
WP Saha (INDIA)	12	16	4	431	117	35.91	922	46.74	2	1	2	36	5
JM Bairstow (ENG)	12	21	0	695	119	33.09	1243	55.91	1	3	0	93	3
Q de Kock (SA)	12	19	2	540	91	31.76	746	72.38	0	4	0	72	7
Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK)	5	9	0	260	68	28.88	421	61.75	0	3	0	20	2
MS Wade (AUS)	6	11	2	213	57	23.66	514	41.43	0	1	1	23	2
SO Dowrich (WI)	10	19	1	315	103	17.50	711	44.30	1	1	3	43	1

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=200;qualval1=runs;spanmax1=11+Jan+2018;spanmin1=11+Jan+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

 

Yes stats look nice 

 

but he looked tragic this test . Literally al at sea . People take mick out some in our team . But frankly with bat most of our top 8 looked ok , only one looked like a walking wicket and this was saha 

 

yes home stats good . But he won’t do nothing bat wise . Out of depth 

[express bowling]

28 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

If he doesn't perform this wont matter, if we have to play pandya their wud be pressure of runs from keeper . We all knw pandya wont be consistent and with question mark over even pujara overseas saha has to keep performing. Their wud be some plyer who will always have the extra backing and some will be always on thin ice and saha is one of them. Saha place will not only be affected by his runs but others form as well. 

Saha has to keep making runs, with every failure he will feel a lot of pressure 

 

1.  Saha is a gutsy batter, although he does not give that impression.  Scored 54* and 58 * in a low scoring test on a green track against NZ at Kolkata 2016.   Scored 104 at Gros Islet 2016, in another low scoring match when the ball was moving and team was 5 for 126.  He can playing when ball is moving.

 

2. Parthiv has a weak off-stump game.  Keeps poking outside off when pacers are bowling.  Does not look confident against the moving ball.

 

3. I don't see any good test-quality keeper at the moment who looks like he can bat like a top-6 batter  in test matches outside Asia.

Edited January 11, 2018 by express bowling

[express bowling]

14 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Yes stats look nice 

 

but he looked tragic this test . Literally al at sea . People take mick out some in our team . But frankly with bat most of our top 8 looked ok , only one looked like a walking wicket and this was saha 

 

yes home stats good . But he won’t do nothing bat wise . Out of depth 

 

On this track all SA batters, other than ABDV and Faf, looked very poor too.

 

Apart from 12 for 3 in the first innings and losing last 8 wickets for only 65 runs, in the 2nd innings, there were numerous and continuous play and misses whenever there was any bounce or movement.   And this was their home ground.

Edited January 11, 2018 by express bowling

[King Tendulkar]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

1.  Saha is a gutsy batter, although he does not give that impression.  Scored 54* and 58 * in a low scoring test on a green track against NZ at Kolkata 2016.   Scored 104 at Gros Islet 2016, in another low scoring match when the ball was moving and team was 5 for 126.  He can playing when ball is moving.

 

2. Parthiv has a weak off-stump game.  Keeps poking outside off when pacers are bowling.  Does not look confident against the moving ball.

 

3. I don't see any good test-quality keeper at the moment who looks like he can bat really well in test matches outside India.

I understand what you saying . He is gutsy but scoring runs a tad green one in Kolkata is nothing like this 

 

we need to go for the win and take loyalty and what’s fair out of it . Saha won’t cross 18 in whole series . Patel not perfect batsman but he is enormous upgrade on saha batting . Plus he can open and bat 3 so massively boosts length of order

 

no time to waste . We cant worry about saha feelings and loyalty . Saha out patel in

Edited January 11, 2018 by King Tendulkar

[King Tendulkar]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

On this track all SA batters, other than ABDV and Faf, looked very poor too.

 

Apart from 12 for 3 in the first innings and losing last 8 wickets for only 65 runs, in the 2nd innings, there were numerous and continuous play and misses whenever there was any bounce or movement.   And this was their home ground.

Saha looked so bad . Honestly . Looked clueless . His technique was atrocious . People take pots at Dhawan and Rohit but they looked million dollars against saha 

 

i wpuld never take such drastic action but he looked so bad in both innings we have no choice . Plus we can’t have ashwin and pandya at 6 that’s not gonna work overseas 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, King Tendulkar said:

I understand what you saying . He is gutsy but scoring runs a tad green one in Kolkata is nothing like this 

 

we need to go for the win and take loyalty and what’s fair out of it . Saha won’t cross 18 in whole series . Patel not perfect batsman but he is enormous upgrade on saha batting . Plus he can open and bat 3 so massively boosts length of order

 

no time to waste . We cant worry about saha feelings and loyalty . Saha out patel in

 

Having watched Parthiv bat in test matches and 2 Ranji games in the last 15 months ....  I don't think he will be a good batter in SA or England.   Keeps poking at channel deliveries , has a weak off-stump game, often plays with a sliced bat, does not look good when ball is moving.

 

 

[King Tendulkar]

34 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Having watched Parthiv bat in test matches and 2 Ranji games in the last 15 months ....  I don't think he will be a good batter in SA or England.   Keeps poking at channel deliveries , has a weak off-stump game, often plays with a sliced bat, does not look good when ball is moving.

 

 

Better then saha by quite a distance though imo . He defo could get a 50

 

saha has no chance this tour walking wicket . I love his keeping and attitude . But this is no time for loyalty and sentiment , this is war . We gotta do what we gotta do 

[vvvslaxman]

I still won't judge him based on the last Test.  Apart from Pandya in the 1st innings, Ash in the 2nd nobody scored much let alone Saha. India's batting problem was due to our top order. If PP scores like 20 to 25 and get out it won't add much.  If he drops a catch it will affect the psyche of bowlers. Be careful of what you wish for.

[King Tendulkar]

18 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I still won't judge him based on the last Test.  Apart from Pandya in the 1st innings, Ash in the 2nd nobody scored much let alone Saha. India's batting problem was due to our top order. If PP scores like 20 to 25 and get out it won't add much.  If he drops a catch it will affect the psyche of bowlers. Be careful of what you wish for.

It’s not the fact he didn’t score runs . None scored run apart from pandya . 

 

Its how he looked . Just hopeless. Everyone looked comfortable but he looked a mess . Worried that his technique so bad that walking wicket 

[zen]

If the top 5 don't deliver, in South African conditions we are not going to look too good unless we have guys like Steve Waugh and Gilchrist batting 

[vvvslaxman]

35 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

It’s not the fact he didn’t score runs . None scored run apart from pandya . 

 

Its how he looked . Just hopeless. Everyone looked comfortable but he looked a mess . Worried that his technique so bad that walking wicket 

You could say the same about Dhawan. 

[maniac]

Funny title...in fact if Pandya becomes a regular makes more of a case to play a proper keeper like Saha instead of people asking for bits and pieces glovemen like Pappu and even Dhoni 

[Khota]

10 hours ago, maniac said:

Maturity in age doesn’t equal to improvement in keeping.

True but his keeping is much better now.

[Khota]

12 hours ago, Laaloo said:

Maturity won't be able to take all the catches he drops and all those stumpings he misses. He matured as a batsman not as a keeper.

I think he deserves a chance.

[BeautifulGame]

3 hours ago, maniac said:

Funny title...in fact if Pandya becomes a regular makes more of a case to play a proper keeper like Saha instead of people asking for bits and pieces glovemen like Pappu and even Dhoni 

No it doesn't unless Pandya can average like a top 6 batsman 

[King Tendulkar]

8 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

You could say the same about Dhawan. 

Not at all .

 I would drop Dhawan . But he looked ok . Better then vijay frankly . But saha looked Hopeless. Honestly looked like club cricketer playing international cricket 

 

did you watch match ? Otherwise you would not say this imo . Or letting personal hate cloud judgements 

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, King Tendulkar said:

Not at all .

 I would drop Dhawan . But he looked ok . Better then vijay frankly . But saha looked Hopeless. Honestly looked like club cricketer playing international cricket 

 

did you watch match ? Otherwise you would not say this imo . Or letting personal hate cloud judgements 

I saw Dhawan and how he got out. It was like he could be given 5 lives he would still get out next ball. Saha is extremely bad i know. But even one drop can be very very costly. Unless you can show PP can score 100, 150  there is no point in playing him. KKD atleast did very well both in SA and ENgland as an opener. If he had been selected i would have made the suggestion of going with KKD as an opener. And also he is in good form. PP is good for 30 runs. That's about it. If he fails in that and drops few dollies. Damage will be far more severe. For now only fast bowlers have some level of confidence.  We don't want them to lose as well.