Kapil Dev's 1st over in test cricket (Pakistan vs India 1978-79)

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Loved it , the speed also look good

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3 hours ago, Singh bling said:

Loved it , the speed also look good

[express bowling]

Kapil was sharp from 1978 to 1985. Had a good bouncer too.

 

We can see this in this video.

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2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Kapil was sharp from 1978 to 1985. Had a good bouncer too.

 

We can see this in this video.

What do you think? was he 135-145 k bowler in prime or 140k max bowler?

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8 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

What do you think? was he 135-145 k bowler in prime or 140k max bowler?

Very difficult to say anything about specific speeds. 

[Trichromatic]

Earlier bowlers used to be very side on?

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54 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Earlier bowlers used to be very side on?

Yes...most of them were side-on.  Some WI pacers were sort of front-on.

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His run up was very smooth n graceful, action natural n raw, pace was decent, we don't know how attacking capt were with his bowling and if they knew how to place fielders to a pacer then, Kapil Dev n Zaidi would have been a great combo.

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5 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

His run up was very smooth n graceful, action natural n raw, pace was decent, we don't know how attacking capt were with his bowling and if they knew how to place fielders to a pacer then, Kapil Dev n Zaidi would have been a great combo.

Not the same era.

 

It could have been Kapil and TA Sekhar

 

then later  Srinath and Zaidi

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He is the most accurate fast bowler India has ever produced. He could pitch ball after ball at the same spot.

[MCcricket]

32 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Not the same era.

 

It could have been Kapil and TA Sekhar

 

then later  Srinath and Zaidi

Yes, Kapil Dev thwarted the selection of Shekhar overhead in a few places as he was faster, it wasn't that we did not have any talent at all but othernfactors

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18 hours ago, Singh bling said:

Loved it , the speed also look good

This video is gold.

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9 hours ago, MCcricket said:

Yes, Kapil Dev thwarted the selection of Shekhar overhead in a few places as he was faster, it wasn't that we did not have any talent at all but othernfactors

How could Kapil thwart the selection of Shekhar?  Kapil was the lone quality  seam bowler  in the team.That means there were other bowling  spots too in the team. And Shekhar when  first came into scene , Kapil  would most probably have been a new comer with at the most a few years of  experience. How can such a player influence  another player getting into the team? Doesn't make sense. 

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1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

How could Kapil thwart the selection of Shekhar?  Kapil was the lone quality  seam bowler  in the team.That means there were other bowling  spots too in the team. And Shekhar when  first came into scene , Kapil  would most probably have been a new comer with at the most a few years of  experience. How can such a player influence  another player getting into the team? Doesn't make sense. 

Kapil became the captain of  India in late 1982...Sekhar debuted for India in early 1983, played 2 tests and was never chosen again. 

 

Whether Kapil influenced his exclusion or not, we may never know but he was in a position of power to do so if he wanted.

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TA Sekhar never played under Kapil, he debuted under Gavaskar and played two tests in Pakistan on pitches which were roads, he was a victim of lack of support system. BCCI had no clue how to help fast bowlers and players then, it is a big wonder on how Kapil developed himself pretty on his own and his Coach.If MRF existed then Sekhar would have played lot more for India.

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7 hours ago, express bowling said:

Kapil became the captain of  India in late 1982...Sekhar debuted for India in early 1983, played 2 tests and was never chosen again. 

 

Whether Kapil influenced his exclusion or not, we may never know but he was in a position of power to do so if he wanted.

They did not name Kapil but I read in a few places and from ex players what went against him is he was called fast or India's fastest that time n the bowler in the Indian team did not quite like that , so the finger is pointing towards Kapil? 

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27 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

They did not name Kapil but I read in a few places and from ex players what went against him is he was called fast or India's fastest that time n the bowler in the Indian team did not quite like that , so the finger is pointing towards Kapil? 

Sekhar was called the fastest bowler in the world in 1983 ( keeping in mind the West Indian quicks ) . Whether that is true or not, he was surely a genuinely quick bowler at that time.  I  too read  articles which alluded to the fact that Kapil, who was the captain then and soon won the World Cup too,  did not like this tag and focus on another pacer.  I don't know whether it is true or not but the possibility cannot be ruled out.

 

In the late '80s Kapil made discouraging comments towards Rajdan and Ankola, 2 other quick bowers who played for India.  Later on. in the early '90s, Kapil was more supportive of  medium-pacer Prasad rather than fast bowler Srinath.  Thus...the rumour has grown that Kapil did not like other fast bowlers.  Don't know whether it is true or not.

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26 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Sekhar was called the fastest bowler in the world in 1983 ( keeping in mind the West Indian quicks ) . Whether that is true or not, he was surely a genuinely quick bowler at that time.  I  too read  articles which alluded to the fact that Kapil, who was the captain then and soon won the World Cup too,  did not like this tag and focus on another pacer.  I don't know whether it is true or not but the possibility cannot be ruled out.

 

In the late '80s Kapil made discouraging comments towards Rajdan and Ankola, 2 other quick bowers who played for India.  Later on. in the early '90s, Kapil was more supportive of  medium-pacer Prasad rather than fast bowler Srinath.  Thus...the rumour has grown that Kapil did not like other fast bowlers.  Don't know whether it is true or not.

Kapil did not actively play politics...the accusation against him was that despite being a legend and senior,he never took any bowler under his wings or groomed them like Imran Khan did with Wasim,Waqar,Aquib.

 

He was just one of those natural prima donna personalities that cared about himself than becoming a mentor.

 

Ankola from what I saw had pace but not the stamina...much like the Pakistani bowlers these days who are quick in the first spell but go from 85-65 very fast.

 

Actually Srinath too in the beginning was not great on stamina but he was clearly head and shoulders above everyone else like Razdan,Ankola etc etc in the raw pace department and credit to him for improving himself on his own. 

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^^ that is utter nonsense, if the bowlers did not have talent to succeed how the heck it is Kapil's fault. Srinath did the mentoring role what happened, did India get any great fast bowlers due to that,Zak was doing mentoring to Ishant Sharma  and co how did they end up.

 

Srinath was huffing and puffing after initial spells and it took long time for him to develop stamina to bowl all day and he was vegetarian and stamina was his problem.

 

Waqar and Wasim had so much talent and pace that they were bound to succeed whether Imran was there or not, if Imran was so great in mentoring why did Tahir Naqqash, Jalaluddin who took an hattrick in odi fail then.They came way before Ws came into scene.