Split-captaincy concerns a factor in Dhoni's decision to step down

[Vilander]

15 minutes ago, nevada said:

Split captaincy is not an issue. Dhoni being an old man amidst juniors in a young man's game is the problem. Even the usually circumspect England have picked a dynamite LOI side with new age players whereas we continue to cling on to gaye guzre players and strategies. It is always self above team interests. 

Both Dhoni and Yuvraj i dont think Ind loi side is something that has a good middle or lower middle order. They cant turn matches around or hit big.. 

[express bowling]

14 hours ago, sandeep said:

I am totally on board with criticism of Dhoni's test captaincy, especially in the last few years.  Very ordinary test captain, and not good enough.  Whether he hung on because of selfish reasons, or because the next guy wasn't deemed ready by BCCI is debatable.  Judging intent based on limited information we have available to us, as fans, is always dicey.  

Lack of viable options was not the reason. One of the selection committees, led by Amarnath, was about to remove Dhoni as test captain, when Srinivasan walked in the meeting and intervened.  The result was Amarnath being removed as a selector and Dhoni continuing as captain. This incident shows that the selection committee had some candidate in mind and wanted a new captain.

 

Dhoni himself became test captain only 3 years after his test debut. There have been quite a few cases of successful captains becoming so a short period after debut.

 

 

Edited January 14, 2017 by express bowling

[kosingh]

Split captaincy may not work when the newer captain on the block is a massive star. A transition is helpful, but once the new captain has settled into the leadership role, give him the role in all formats. This is exactly what has happened.

 

Even when a high stature captain is given control of all formats, he may burn out faster as captain.  Like happened to Dhoni. His test captaincy towards the end had become atrocious. The enormous pressure got to captain cool. Overly defensive, mind boggling field placings, puzzling team selections, having spinners bowl darts down legside  for long periods of time...

 

 

[express bowling]

11 hours ago, Vilander said:

He is still playing as a player,its not that he is exactly clinging on to it, gosh what a bunch of bitter fools we are trying to take shots at him.

I don't think most people have criticized Dhoni's inclusion in the team as a player till now. He has been the best keeper-batsman India has ever produced and the best ODI finisher the world has ever produced  ( till his decline as a finisher in the last 2 years which happens to everybody at some point in time and so perfectly acceptable )

 

Criticism has been regarding his captaincy in the last few years, especially as a test captain....and that is backed by facts....don't see any problem with that.

[express bowling]

Split captaincy is a good idea in my opinion, especially during the transition phase of a new captain.

 

Even otherwise, with so much cricket going on, it may help prevent burnout of captains.

[jf1gp_1]

There is a scene in Dhoni movie; he walks into a room and some channel is broadcasting a piece on Dhoni-Sehwag fall out. He just walks away with smirk on his face. He would do the same if he read this thread. 

[Cricketics]

11 hours ago, Vilander said:

He is still playing as a player,its not that he is exactly clinging on to it, gosh what a bunch of bitter fools we are trying to take shots at him.

This. People are still attacking him. His captaincy chapter is over. Move on. He is the batsman now. And should be compared be compared as a batsman only to others. Captaincy is history. I am looking forward to see him how he does as a player.

[King Tendulkar]

15 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Split captaincy is a good idea in my opinion, especially during the transition phase of a new captain.

 

Even otherwise, with so much cricket going on, it may help prevent burnout of captains.

Agree on burn out etc 

 

but

 

if if there is one man who can handle it . Not burn out but in fact make him stronger and better it's kohli 

[express bowling]

11 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

This. People are still attacking him. His captaincy chapter is over. Move on. He is the batsman now. And should be compared be compared as a batsman only to others. Captaincy is history. I am looking forward to see him how he does as a player.

Cricket forums are for discussing cricket related topics, both past and present. People still discuss about Gavaskar, Kapil, Richards, Marshall etc. In fact, not discussing about the past is the easiest way to forget cricketers of the past and not really warranted.

 

We should strongly discourage personal attacks towards our national cricketers that are not based on facts. Completely out of topic negative references should also be avoided.

 

But, this topic is about Dhoni's opinion on captaincy....and this interview is a very recent one.  When one expresses his views on captaincy then what he himself did as a captain will also be discussed and it is perfectly on topic.  What I don't support is references to Dhoni's captaincy every time Kohli does well.  That is unnecessarily digging up the past  and no really on topic.

 

Any good discussion should be able to accommodate fact based positive and negative points that are on topic.

[Cricketics]

35 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Cricket forums are for discussing cricket related topics, both past and present. People still discuss about Gavaskar, Kapil, Richards, Marshall etc. In fact, not discussing about the past is the easiest way to forget cricketers of the past and not really warranted.

 

We should strongly discourage personal attacks towards our national cricketers that are not based on facts. Completely out of topic negative references should also be avoided.

 

But, this topic is about Dhoni's opinion on captaincy....and this interview is a very recent one.  When one expresses his views on captaincy then what he himself did as a captain will also be discussed and it is perfectly on topic.  What I don't support is references to Dhoni's captaincy every time Kohli does well.  That is unnecessarily digging up the past  and no really on topic.

 

Any good discussion should be able to accommodate fact based positive and negative points that are on topic.

Yes, and that is why this thread is allowed and people's comments are allowed too. I am also a lurker like you who shared my opinion on other's opinion that we need to move on. Both points are valid - others opinion about Dhoni, and my opinion about other's opinion on Dhoni.:)

[express bowling]

15 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Yes, and that is why this thread is allowed an people's comments are allowed to. I am also a lurker like you who shared my opinion on other's opinion that we need to move on. Both points are valid - others opinion about Dhoni, and my opinion about other's opinion on Dhoni.:)

 

You are definitely entitled to your opinion on opinions     : )

 

Our opinions on the opinions on opinions have been interesting too.    : )

Edited January 14, 2017 by express bowling

[Lord]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Lack of viable options was not the reason. One of the selection committees, led by Amarnath, was about to remove Dhoni as test captain, when Srinivasan walked in the meeting and intervened.  The result was Amarnath being removed as a selector and Dhoni continuing as captain. This incident shows that the selection committee had some candidate in mind and wanted a new captain.

 

Dhoni himself became test captain only 3 years after his test debut. There have been quite a few cases of successful captains becoming so a short period after debut.

 

 

Any proof of this?

[King Tendulkar]

6 minutes ago, Lord said:

Any proof of this?

Everyone knows and well reported . The honourable and dignified dhoni who resigns and plays for best welfare of his country and has our test team humiliated under his captaincy . So selection committte rightly said sack him . But dhoni and csk mafia with srini got selection committee sacked instead and dhoni businessman stayed on as skipper to carry on collecting the money while the team carried on sucking in tests 

[rkt.india]

13 minutes ago, Lord said:

Any proof of this?

its well known. Mohinder Amarnath had resigned after that episode who was the chairman of selectors. It was after we had lost the test series to England at home.

Edited January 14, 2017 by rkt.india

[King Tendulkar]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/selectors-wanted-to-sack-ms-dhoni-in-2012-but-srinivasan-put-foot-down-former-selector-raja-venkat/lite/?client=safari

[Lord]

32 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

its well known. Mohinder Amarnath had resigned after that episode who was the chairman of selectors. It was after we had lost the test series to England at home.

Thanks for the proof

[Lord]

30 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/selectors-wanted-to-sack-ms-dhoni-in-2012-but-srinivasan-put-foot-down-former-selector-raja-venkat/lite/?client=safari

Where does it say that he was sacked as TEST captain?Who was the new choice?Even assuming all that is gospel

 

Apparently Dhoni was sacked as ODI captain which was overturned.6 months later we won Champions trophy

[King Tendulkar]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

Where does it say that he was sacked as TEST captain?Who was the new choice?Even assuming all that is gospel

 

Apparently Dhoni was sacked as ODI captain which was overturned.6 months later we won Champions trophy

Clearly you not read it properly .

 

 

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

Where does it say that he was sacked as TEST captain?Who was the new choice?Even assuming all that is gospel

 

Apparently Dhoni was sacked as ODI captain which was overturned.6 months later we won Champions trophy

We had ODI series after that so team was picked for ODIs and not tests and he was not the captain of that team. Why it is gospel when the then selector him saying he was sacked as captain. 

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

We had ODI series after that so team was picked for ODIs and not tests and he was not the captain of that team. Why it is gospel when the then selector him saying he was sacked as captain. 

Express bowling said he was sacked as Test captain.I still see no proof of that.

 

So the selector said all that and didnt tell who were they planning to make test captain like he did for ODIs?