What's common among ATG players?

[Trichromatic]

Impact?

Charisma?

Numbers?

 

One thing is for sure that no one becomes ATG after his career is over. Once the player has played 40-70 matches, they give an impression of being ATG material and by the time their 75% career is over, they are established as ATG.

[Tattieboy]

5 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Impact?

Charisma?

Numbers?

 

One thing is for sure that no one becomes ATG after his career is over. Once the player has played 40-70 matches, they give an impression of being ATG material and by the time their 75% career is over, they are established as ATG.

Expectation

Being not only to deal with it but to thrive on it...whilst lesser mortals succumb under it ATG's excel under it 

[lamellavig]

14 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Impact?

Charisma?

Numbers?

 

One thing is for sure that no one becomes ATG after his career is over. Once the player has played 40-70 matches, they give an impression of being ATG material and by the time their 75% career is over, they are established as ATG.

 

 

To answer your question, an ATG is introduced early into the team via the incredible powers of simple, logical deductive chains of reasoning. 

Edited June 10, 2018 by beetle

[Lannister]

21 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

They have exceptionally low IQ but still exert significant political pressure, which explains the dead-set selections of the ugly Cheteshwar Pujara over the likes of Vihari, Gill, Pant. 

That's the criteria you need to get into today's politics in India. It's easy to fool the masses over here. 

Edited June 10, 2018 by Lannister

[MechEng]

2 hours ago, lamellavig said:

Indian fans are some of the most stupid and irrational in the world. They have exceptionally low IQ but still exert significant political pressure

Tum kahaan ke ho bhaiya?

Edited June 10, 2018 by MechEng

[Clarke]

My one word answer would be abilities. Then comes the commitment. 

 

It could be solidity in batting technique, hand-eye coordination, landing the ball on the seam in the corridor etc. The best players do the basic stuff better than others and are often complimented with additional strengths such as bowling quicker than norm, turning more than the norm with control or simply having more time at hand when facing any type of bowling. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Temperament 

[Trichromatic]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Temperament 

Players with temperament but limited abilities rarely make an ATG player.

[SK_IH]

52 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Players with temperament but limited abilities rarely make an ATG player.

Steve Waugh ?

[Pollack]

They all have blind bhakts.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

Players with temperament but limited abilities rarely make an ATG player.

its a combination of all things , but temperament is extremely important its what separates good from gr8

ofcourse, u cnt become anything only with only one quality 

[Trichromatic]

21 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Steve Waugh ?

That's why the term 'rarely' and not 'never'.

[Trichromatic]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

its a combination of all things , but temperament is extremely important its what separates good from gr8

ofcourse, u cnt become anything only with only one quality 

I would argue that there are many players with good temperament. Among those large set of players with good temperament, those with abilities tend to end as ATG players. 

 

Like in current team, Vijay, Kohli, Chepu and Rahane have good temperament, but other don't have abilities like Kohli who is mostly likely to become ATG.

 

Similarly among bowlers, many are workhorses and heart to bowl, but bowling is even more dominated by abilities. 

[Trichromatic]

Coming to numbers part:

 

Openers - avg of 50+ over a long career.

 

Middle order batsmen - avg of 50+ who played till early 2000s.

For anyone who played after 2000s mostly - either career avg of 55+ over sufficiently long career or avg of 50+ with peak avg of 55+ for sufficiently long duration.

 

Bowlers

Avg < 24 for all those who played till 2000s.

Avg 23-27.5 over a long career for those who played for long enough. For those in 25.5-27.5 range, some performances in alien conditions.

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

I would argue that there are many players with good temperament. Among those large set of players with good temperament, those with abilities tend to end as ATG players. 

 

Like in current team, Vijay, Kohli, Chepu and Rahane have good temperament, but other don't have abilities like Kohli who is mostly likely to become ATG.

 

Similarly among bowlers, many are workhorses and heart to bowl, but bowling is even more dominated by abilities. 

as i said u cnt be gr8 with one quality

Ambati has gr8 temperamnet but lacks ability

Flip side

Raina, rohit had gr8 talent but lacked the temperament that kohli had 

 

Dhoni vs yusuf- both came in as hitter with limitation but one grew his game and other didnt . Temperament was missing 

Kumble vs bhajji in last leg of career- kumble had the hunger, temperament which bhajji lacked in his last leg of career so he wnt be considered ATG by many 

 

As i said its not only one thing its a combination of many reasons like hunger , fitness as well

Temperament alone cnt make u gr8 u need other ingredionts but when u have other n add temperament u have an ATG

[express bowling]

When exceptional talent   and tremendous will to succeed    is found in the same cricketer.

[Vilander]

11 hours ago, lamellavig said:

most stupid and irrational in the world. They have exceptionally low IQ but still exert significant political pressure, which explains the dead-set selections of the ugly Cheteshwar Pujara 

The only thing ugly low iq irrational here is obvious.