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What India need to do to win the five-Test series in England

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http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1152156/what-india-need-to-do-to-win-in-england

 

Nice article. A well written pece though I have some disagreements.

 

I dont see any room for Vijay and Pujara.

 

catches need to be taken.

 

Empahsis on spin.

 

Players with current good form are more important than previous record.

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Template for good overseas tour is fixed for Indian team.

 

Batsman need to score big. 300-350 won't work unless it's too much bowling friendly conditions. Scoring big doesn't mean one batsman scoring 110 and rest just chipping in with 30-40s. Batsmen have to get real big 100s with big partnerships and ensure that game doesn't go out of control.

 

Saving at least 2 tests. 

 

Spinners taking wickets consistently. Can't have figures of 120-1. A bowling figure of 90-2 or 50-1 is still good. Can't go wicketless, no matter what have to pick 1-2 wickets each even on tough day.

 

Pacers need to have at least 1 lucky test, can't remain just good whole series. No matter if they go for 500 in some tests, 2-3 days good days are enough to define the series score as long as batsmen save the games.

 

Need 5-fers from pacers on those days.


Tailender can't go out for paltry totals. 30-5 is way too dangerous, there is huge difference between 2 runs by a tailender and 20 runs by some lucky slogging. Like if team is 320-6, ensure they cross 400 and not get bowled out for 350.

 

Need to hold all catches and if possible take some blinders at crucial moments.

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3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Template for good overseas tour is fixed for Indian team.

 

Batsman need to score big. 300-350 won't work unless it's too much bowling friendly conditions. Scoring big doesn't mean one batsman scoring 110 and rest just chipping in with 30-40s. Batsmen have to get real big 100s with big partnerships and ensure that game doesn't go out of control.

 

Saving at least 2 tests. 

 

Spinners taking wickets consistently. Can't have figures of 120-1. A bowling figure of 90-2 or 50-1 is still good. Can't go wicketless, no matter what have to pick 1-2 wickets each even on tough day.

 

Pacers need to have at least 1 lucky test, can't remain just good whole series. No matter if they go for 500 in some tests, 2-3 days good days are enough to define the series score as long as batsmen save the games.

 

Need 5-fers from pacers on those days.


Tailender can't go out for paltry totals. 30-5 is way too dangerous, there is huge difference between 2 runs by a tailender and 20 runs by some lucky slogging. Like if team is 320-6, ensure they cross 400 and not get bowled out for 350.

 

Need to hold all catches and if possible take some blinders at crucial moments.

That last point is gold.

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We need a fit Bumrah asap. Also Umesh needs to bowl bowl aggresively and not line n length as thats never going to work for him.

Then we have a chance.

Also hold on to the catches plz

 

 

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28 minutes ago, MK55 said:

We need a fit Bumrah asap. Also Umesh needs to bowl bowl aggresively and not line n length as thats never going to work for him.

Then we have a chance.

Also hold on to the catches plz

 

 

Injuries are part of game. cannot use Bumrah as an excuse.

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Need to score well as a team and wickets will come eventually from our bowlers. If we do not put up runs, it won’t help bowlers at all and they will end up trying too much which will make our bowling worse than it actually is, as our bowlers are much better now even though they lack Bhuvi and fit Bumrah. 

 

3-4-5 Pujara-Kohli-Rahane are the real key for me.

We score well, then our bowlers will bowl with cushion and win us few tests.

 

Onus on our batting to deliver big time They did not do last time around. They must do this time.

 

 

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This is single most pathetic record.

I don't know how any team can expect to win matches with catch drop rate higher than 50%.

 

What's worse we have seen was Dhawan (another serial dropper) fielding at slips even when Rahane was in team. Only thing that can explain that farce is that Kohli wants to talk to his buddy.

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10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Spinners stats in wins are misleading. Would like to know how much is in England, SA, Aus in wins

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs WktsDescending BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10  
A Kumble 2002-2008 5 10 218.2 36 703 28 5/154 7/159 25.10 3.21 46.7 1 0 investigate this query
Harbhajan Singh 2002-2010 2 4 81.2 20 176 10 4/10 6/80 17.60 2.16 48.8 0 0 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 2014-2014 1 2 51.1 8 99 3 2/46 3/99 33.00 1.93 102.3 0 0 investigate this query

 

 

In SA, Eng and Aus.

 

Is it still misleading? Spinners can't go missing, if India has to do well in series.

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23 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

This is single most pathetic record.

I don't know how any team can expect to win matches with catch drop rate higher than 50%.

 

 

 

What's worse we have seen was Dhawan (another serial dropper) fielding at slips even when Rahane was in team. Only thing that can explain that farce is that Kohli wants to talk to his buddy.

 

There is no getting around dropping catches. That is equivalent of taking 25-30 wkts in a match. 

With a proper coach there would be emphasis on taking catches. Wonder what Maharathi Shastri is doing.

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21 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:
Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs WktsDescending BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10  
A Kumble 2002-2008 5 10 218.2 36 703 28 5/154 7/159 25.10 3.21 46.7 1 0 investigate this query
Harbhajan Singh 2002-2010 2 4 81.2 20 176 10 4/10 6/80 17.60 2.16 48.8 0 0 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 2014-2014 1 2 51.1 8 99 3 2/46 3/99 33.00 1.93 102.3 0 0 investigate this query

 

 

In SA, Eng and Aus.

 

Is it still misleading? Spinners can't go missing, if India has to do well in series.

That is equally important. Spinners have to do their part.

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21 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:
Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs WktsDescending BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10  
A Kumble 2002-2008 5 10 218.2 36 703 28 5/154 7/159 25.10 3.21 46.7 1 0 investigate this query
Harbhajan Singh 2002-2010 2 4 81.2 20 176 10 4/10 6/80 17.60 2.16 48.8 0 0 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 2014-2014 1 2 51.1 8 99 3 2/46 3/99 33.00 1.93 102.3 0 0 investigate this query

 

 

In SA, Eng and Aus.

 

Is it still misleading? Spinners can't go missing, if India has to do well in series.

I  am not talking about 20 years back. Current spinners

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27 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

I  am not talking about 20 years back. Current spinners

We have won 2 test in Eng and SA in last 7 years and spinners didn't even play in 1. So you want to make an opinion based on 1 match only? What's there to talk about current lot?

 

They wanted to make a point that spinners will have to do their job, can't rely solely on pacers. It has been the case in modern cricket and India spinners have no excuse. 

 

Even in our previous 2 tours to England, Moeen Ali took lot of wickets, while in 2011 Swann won a test at Oval.

 

Moeen Ali was MoS against SA in England.

 

When Pakistan toured them during similar time in 2016, Yasir Shah won them 2 tests. Pacers did their job too.

 

England is one place where your spinners can't remain just run containing option, they have to play like frontline bowling option.

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14 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

We have won 2 test in Eng and SA in last 7 years and spinners didn't even play in 1. So you want to make an opinion based on 1 match only? What's there to talk about current lot?

 

They wanted to make a point that spinners will have to do their job, can't rely solely on pacers. It has been the case in modern cricket and India spinners have no excuse. 

 

Even in our previous 2 tours to England, Moeen Ali took lot of wickets, while in 2011 Swann won a test at Oval.

 

Moeen Ali was MoS against SA in England.

 

When Pakistan toured them during similar time in 2016, Yasir Shah won them 2 tests. Pacers did their job too.

 

England is one place where your spinners can't remain just run containing option, they have to play like frontline bowling option.

I will play 0 spinners if pitch has any bit of grass.  All 5 pacers, 5th one being Pandya. They different type of pitches against than what they may against SA. SA mostly gets drier grass less pitches. PItches against Indian will mostly have grass and if there is grass, spinners are rendered useless and we do not have any bowler like Yasir Shah. Kuldeep or Ashwin are no match to him overseas.

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