Kohlifan Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 We keep recycling old TTF's like Raydu, Raina, Jadhav & to top it all Akshar Patel who is neither a bowler or a batsman, how on earth we will win with these set of players ?? This is with reference of Asia Cup Selection. Bowling I don't believe is a problem. Bowlers keep batsman to mostly reachable score but with these set of batsman i can't see us wining 2019 worldcup. MCcricket, zen, GolGappe and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
Hell Raiser Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 41 minutes ago, Kohlifan said: We keep recycling old TTF's like Raydu, Raina, Jadhav & to top it all Akshar Patel who is neither a bowler or a batsman, how on earth we will win with these set of players ?? This is with reference of Asia Cup Selection. Bowling I don't believe is a problem. Bowlers keep batsman to mostly reachable score but with these set of batsman i can't see us wining 2019 worldcup. Agree with everything in your op regarding batsmen but bowling is a problem for India in general. We don't have a genuine wicket taker in our side apart from Bumrah. Bhuvi is a economical bowler and not a wicket taker. Same with Chahal, teams now just milk him for singles and doesn't give him wickets initially and loses the plot when he gets attacked. Kuldeep has potential and will get better and better with experience. He may prove to be a match winning bowler for us in the coming world cup as far as he continues to work on his bowling. Pandya is still a nobody as far as his bowling is concerned and is definite weak link that other teams target. Main problem is we haven't created any back ups in case of any injury to our frontline bowlers. This Asia cup was perfect opportunity to test young brigade. Only deserving young bowler to make into the team is Khaleel, Likes of Saini, Mavi, Gopal/Sundar washington should have been in the team. Bumrah and bhuvi should have been rested. We wasted these spots on Shardul and Axar. Shardul should be nowhere near to this team. Same with Axar Patel. UrmiSinhaRay, Kohlifan and Mosher 2 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, Hell Raiser said: Agree with everything in your op regarding batsmen but bowling is a problem for India in general. We don't have a genuine wicket taker in our side apart from Bumrah. Bhuvi is a economical bowler and not a wicket taker. Same with Chahal, teams now just milk him for singles and doesn't give him wickets initially and loses the plot when he gets attacked. Kuldeep has potential and will get better and better with experience. He may prove to be a match winning bowler for us in the coming world cup as far as he continues to work on his bowling. Pandya is still a nobody as far as his bowling is concerned and is definite weak link that other teams target. Main problem is we haven't created any back ups in case of any injury to our frontline bowlers. This Asia cup was perfect opportunity to test young brigade. Only deserving young bowler to make into the team is Khaleel, Likes of Saini, Mavi, Gopal/Sundar washington should have been in the team. Bumrah and bhuvi should have been rested. We wasted these spots on Shardul and Axar. Shardul should be nowhere near to this team. Same with Axar Patel. Bhuvi is a wicket taker in all three formats. Our problem is selection and batting. Merry go Round selection is on. Same set of players are allways in queue Kohlifan 1 Link to comment
raki05 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) I m not sure why so much of affinity for bhuvi for his economical bowling. How come a bowler average more than 33 in ODI can be hailed so much. He is very much condition dependent bowlers he was definitely missed during English test series but he is not at all a good odi bowler , pretty average to be honest. Edited September 3, 2018 by raki05 Nikola and UrmiSinhaRay 2 Link to comment
Hell Raiser Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, mishra said: Bhuvi is a wicket taker in all three formats. Our problem is selection and batting. Merry go Round selection is on. Same set of players are allways in queue In test cricket Bhuvi is a wicket taker. But in ODI' s he is not. 90 wickets in 86 innings, average of 39 and strike rate of 46.5 proves that. Its like one wicket per match. For someone who is a frontline bowler these stats are pathetic. We could have carry on with him 10-15 years back but now we have many options that we can try. He is a hard worker and gives his 100 % on the field. But that 100 percent is not proving to be enough especially when your fifth bowler is Hardik Pandya who marginalise the economical bowling of Bhuvi. Nikola and UrmiSinhaRay 2 Link to comment
Khota Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I have zero problem with recycling Raydu, Raina etc. If they perform they should be selected. I have other grieveances. Link to comment
sandsaims Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 jadhav cant even field, expect him to drop a few dollies. UrmiSinhaRay and Kohlifan 2 Link to comment
vayuu1 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Kohlifan said: We keep recycling old TTF's like Raydu, Raina, Jadhav & to top it all Akshar Patel who is neither a bowler or a batsman, how on earth we will win with these set of players ?? This is with reference of Asia Cup Selection. Bowling I don't believe is a problem. Bowlers keep batsman to mostly reachable score but with these set of batsman i can't see us wining 2019 worldcup. Bhai tatpunjio ko specialist job pe rakhoge to yhi hoga ,the useless bunch themselves were incompetent in their time now selecting has beens and ttfs. UrmiSinhaRay and Kohlifan 2 Link to comment
Nikola Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Start the good job by kicking overrated bhuvneshwar kumar and hardik pandya from side. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Laaloo Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 2 hours ago, mishra said: Bhuvi is a wicket taker in all three formats. Our problem is selection and batting. Merry go Round selection is on. Same set of players are allways in queue Bhuvi is not a wicket taker in Odis. Not sure how you are under that impression. UrmiSinhaRay, Nikola and Kohlifan 3 Link to comment
Tibarn Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Send them there UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
UrmiSinhaRay Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Even Pak selection committee under Inzi is better than us. Sent from my CPH1609 using Tapatalk nevada 1 Link to comment
Kohlifan Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 In test cricket Bhuvi is a wicket taker. But in ODI' s he is not. 90 wickets in 86 innings, average of 39 and strike rate of 46.5 proves that. Its like one wicket per match. For someone who is a frontline bowler these stats are pathetic. We could have carry on with him 10-15 years back but now we have many options that we can try. He is a hard worker and gives his 100 % on the field. But that 100 percent is not proving to be enough especially when your fifth bowler is Hardik Pandya who marginalise the economical bowling of Bhuvi.Yes in ODI he is not wicket taker, but he is one of the best death bowlers along with bumrah. So we cant replace him yetSent from my vivo 1714 using Tapatalk UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, Laaloo said: Bhuvi is not a wicket taker in Odis. Not sure how you are under that impression. He is threatening as long as there is some shine on the ball. After that, no. Its upto captain to use him wisely Link to comment
Kohlifan Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 Even Pak selection committee under Inzi is better than us. Sent from my CPH1609 using TapatalkYep they are atleast now with MSK as chief Sent from my vivo 1714 using Tapatalk UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
The Realist Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Does Ind even have selectors? Get the strong impression that Kohli & Shastri pick players they know and are comfortable with. Adi BB, UrmiSinhaRay, mishra and 2 others 1 2 2 Link to comment
Hell Raiser Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Kohlifan said: Yes in ODI he is not wicket taker, but he is one of the best death bowlers along with bumrah. So we cant replace him yet Sent from my vivo 1714 using Tapatalk A team can afford economical bowler if other bowlers can get you wickets. But if you are not getting wickets upfront and opposition has wickets in hand at the end then even the best can go for runs no matter how good you are. And moreover it puts pressure on other bowlers to take wickets. Its almost like same as Dhoni making runs but as usual at his low strike rate and depends on the other batsmen to score quick runs. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Kohlifan Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 A team can afford economical bowler if other bowlers can get you wickets. But if you are not getting wickets upfront and opposition has wickets in hand at the end then even the best can go for runs no matter how good you are. And moreover it puts pressure on other bowlers to take wickets. Its almost like same as Dhoni making runs but as usual at his low strike rate and depends on the other batsmen to score quick runs.With two new ball from both end its getting difficult to take wickets as white ball dont swing Sent from my vivo 1714 using Tapatalk UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, The Realist said: Does Ind even have selectors? Get the strong impression that Kohli & Shastri pick players they know and are comfortable with. Link to comment
Hell Raiser Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 49 minutes ago, Kohlifan said: With two new ball from both end its getting difficult to take wickets as white ball dont swing Sent from my vivo 1714 using Tapatalk So you want Bhuvi just because of his death bowling. Lets agree to disagree then because I like bowlers who can take wickets and put pressure on opposition not by being economical but by getting their batsmen's wickets. Link to comment
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