Time to accept that Cummins is better than Bumrah

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Yeah but Ramprakash had better technique than Chanderpaul, I don't give a damn about technique. What has Amir done outside England? Cumins is a future ATG agree but atm he has been much better with the red ball. 

Agree with you on the whole, but Chanders had a much better (albeit unorthodox) technique against spin than Ramps.

[Nikola]

In End cummins will surely have longer peak than bumrah due to action and workload. Bumrah will be way more difficult to hit at times but it depends who will be more clutch bowler.

[Vijy]

Just now, lamellavig said:

Yeah but Cummins is still the same age as Bumrah. It's not Cummin's fault that he debuted young. In fact that harmed his career statistics. 

No, it didn't really do that. avg 30 and 32 in his first 2 yrs in ODI cricket 2011-2012 (comprising 5 ODIs), but thereafter remained quite const. In fact, he avg 44 in ODIs in 2017. Cummins is about half a year older than bumrah and more importantly has more int'l exposure. It's the same with SRT on the one hand and Dravid on the other - same age, but former had much more experience.

 

I rate Cummins as an ATG in the making (although he is not at Rabada's peak level). He is better than Bumrah in my book for Tests and a better bowler overall, but Bumrah is not mediocre.

[Nikola]

In test matches aus is wasting talent of cummins. He needs to bat bit higher than he do generally. He has good technique to survive 50 - 100 balls and score 40 - 50 runs consistently. Bumrah in batting is way behind compared with cummins specially in test matches. In odis bumrah can bowl at death and cummins can't.

Edited June 16, 2019 by Nikola

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Nikola said:

In test matches aus is wasting talent of cummins. He needs to bat bit higher than he do generally. He has good technique to survive 50 - 100 balls and score 40 - 50 runs consistently.

he could open the batting and do a better job than the likes of finch. I think he will eventually settle in at 6 or 7 in the long run.

[Cricketics]

Bumrah bowled brilliant line to Fakhar. Fakhar at times did not have any clue. Are we watching another game?

 

 

[lamellavig]

Just now, Cricketics said:

Bumrah bowled brilliant line to Fakhar. Fakhar at times did not have any clue. Are we watching another game?

 

 

Lol, bullshit, Bumrah bowled like Umesh Yadav does throughout. He should have been hit for more boundaries. 

[Cricketics]

1 minute ago, lamellavig said:

Lol, bullshit, Bumrah bowled like Umesh Yadav does throughout. He should have been hit for more boundaries. 

Lol dude, check the amount of dot balls he bowled to the openers. There were lot of plays and misses. You might just look at wicket column, but Bumrah bowled pretty tight in the first 8 overs barring one full tods on off and one down leg which both went for fours. 

 

He beat the batsmen many times. Pak were about 40 in first 10 overs. That was job well done by our opening bowlers considering run rate pressure was on.

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

41 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

Bumrah almost hoaxed all of us into believing that he is an elite bowler. The truth is that Pat Cummins, the next Glenn McGrath, has stripped Bumrah's aura completely during March 2019. 

 

I have to give credit to Bumrah. He is a mediocre bowler, but he almost hoaxed all of us. 

no one is next mcgrath..........their was only one mcgrath someone who was like him was fixer asif

Cummins is not even the best bowler in Aus team forget better then bumrah who has been among best in world

 

Jeez one game and ppl loose their mind .

Hows he is mediocre bowler ??????

[Ranvir]

When has India ever had a fast bowler who is at the top of the world rankings and has an average in the low 20s? 

 

Guys on here clearly dont remember the dark days of Venkatesh Prasad, Paras Mhambrey, Mohanty, Prabhakar.

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Ranvir said:

When has India ever had a fast bowler who is at the top of the world rankings and has an average in the low 20s? 

 

Guys on here clearly dont remember the dark days of Venkatesh Prasad, Paras Mhambrey, Mohanty, Prabhakar.

and many others who were worse. mohanty, prabhakar and prasad were trundlers but not completely bad ODI bowlers per se. likes of ankola, mambrey, banerjee, etc. were even poorer.

[Stradlater]

Bumrah bowled a brilliant first spell. 

Think his figures after first 4 overs were 15 something which aren't bad by any stretch of imagination. Not to mention the pressure he had kept on the other side while Shankar/Pandya were doling out the freebies. 

 

The rainbreak got to him. I wouldn't look too much into it. He's a champion bowler and would be back with a bang in the next game. 

[lamellavig]

1 minute ago, Stradlater said:

Bumrah bowled a brilliant first spell. 

Think his figures after first 4 overs were 15 something which aren't bad by any stretch of imagination. Not to mention the pressure he had kept on the other side while Shankar/Pandya were doling out the freebies. 

 

The rainbreak got to him. I wouldn't look too much into it. He's a champion bowler and would be back with a bang in the next game. 

He's an overrated bilateral bully. Chokes on the big stage. Lacks special ability. 

[Gollum]

13 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

When has India ever had a fast bowler who is at the top of the world rankings and has an average in the low 20s? 

 

Guys on here clearly dont remember the dark days of Venkatesh Prasad, Paras Mhambrey, Mohanty, Prabhakar.

Venky Prasad and Prabhakar weren't bad, Mohanty had his moments. We have produced much worse. 

[Stradlater]

2 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

He's an overrated bilateral bully. Chokes on the big stage. Lacks special ability. 

Abe nikal chutiye. 

Another neighbor masquerading as an Indian. 

[lamellavig]

delete

Edited June 16, 2019 by lamellavig

[lamellavig]

1 minute ago, Stradlater said:

Abe nikal chutiye. 

Another neighbor masquerading as an Indian. 

BC 

[chewy]

At least Bumrah doesn't cheat like Cummins and Starc by using sandpaper

[bhakum20]

Hate to say it but ameeer far outclassed bumrah today. It’s always interesting to compare performances against opposition bowlers per match.

But he is a quick learner and will analyze what went wrong. His pace was down too. Golden boy will bounce back soon

[vvvslaxman]

Cummins, Rabada both of them are not impact bowlers in the one dayers.  Bumrah is one bowler who can do well all over the world. Shami is another. In English conditions Amir.  Bhuvi can do very well except on absolute roads.