Laaloo Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Enough of this crap. Its obvious most of you cant debate in a civilized manner here. Go and flame on Youtube or FB. Dont use ICF to vent out your angers. dial_100 and Ranvir 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 WE WILL NOT TOLERATE ABUSES,PERSONAL INSULTS OR TARGETTING ANY RELIGION OR RELIGIOUS FIGURES.DEBATE LIKE CIVILISED HUMAN BEINGS.ANY MORE SUCH INCIDENTS AND BANS WILL BE HANDED OUT. G_B_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Thread is now unlocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39372154 Guy is 52, Muslim, father of three, named Khalid Masood. WTF...a 52 year old dad, decieding to leave his family in the lurch coz...coz he wants virgins in heaven ?! height of selfishness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahulrulezz Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 4 hours ago, someone said: What's wrong in mentioning some facts? Or actually, there blasphemy laws in this forum? Talk about Muslims. Talk about Islam. But why resort to insulting their prophet. I am a Hindu and my religion has taught me that all avatars and prophets are ways to attain moksha. Heck even following a good teacher/guru can give you moksha. People can take different paths but the final destination is same. Insulting their prophets means you are insulting my religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranvir Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, rahulrulezz said: Talk about Muslims. Talk about Islam. But why resort to insulting their prophet. I am a Hindu and my religion has taught me that all avatars and prophets are ways to attain moksha. Heck even following a good teacher/guru can give you moksha. People can take different paths but the final destination is same. Insulting their prophets means you are insulting my religion. What you have to understand is that so called prophets are also human beings and are not beyond criticism or questioning. Otherwise we are brainless sheep who just follow without questioning and that is a very regressive mentality. Take for example the second Sai Baba, to many he was a god man but there is clear evidence of his tricks on YouTube. Can we not talk about how he was a con man in case we upset his followers? Humanity would never have moved forwards if it didn't question or criticise things. Indian religions like Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism may say there are many paths to God and liberation but religions like Islam and Christianity are pretty clear in saying that those who don't follow their path are going to burn in hell forever. That is the reason why they are the two biggest religions in the world, aggressive conversion (often by brutal means) has been a big part of them. Whereas Indian religions have been more passive. Afghanistan, Malaysia, Indonesia were all either Hindu or Buddhist nations at one point. Aggression always overcomes passiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 37 minutes ago, Ranvir said: What you have to understand is that so called prophets are also human beings and are not beyond criticism or questioning. Otherwise we are brainless sheep who just follow without questioning and that is a very regressive mentality. Take for example the second Sai Baba, to many he was a god man but there is clear evidence of his tricks on YouTube. Can we not talk about how he was a con man in case we upset his followers? Humanity would never have moved forwards if it didn't question or criticise things. Indian religions like Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism may say there are many paths to God and liberation but religions like Islam and Christianity are pretty clear in saying that those who don't follow their path are going to burn in hell forever. That is the reason why they are the two biggest religions in the world, aggressive conversion (often by brutal means) has been a big part of them. Whereas Indian religions have been more passive. Afghanistan, Malaysia, Indonesia were all either Hindu or Buddhist nations at one point. Aggression always overcomes passiveness. Every Avatar/guru/prophet is a another human being for the people who dont believe in them.Respect other's faith if you want respect for yours.If you cant then respect the rules of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 whats worrying is that all this dude needed was a rented SUV. Same thing happened in France and Germany, hijacked a truck and just drove into people. Remarkably hard to defend against. Laaloo and Gollum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, G_B_ said: whats worrying is that all this dude needed was a rented SUV. Same thing happened in France and Germany, hijacked a truck and just drove into people. Remarkably hard to defend against. well ya...you cant put a pedestrian barricade on every single street and road, especially in the old world, where road layout looks like a bowl of sphagetti. G_B_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 The evolving nature of terrorism. From human bombs to using every objects and killing people at random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, G_B_ said: The evolving nature of terrorism. From human bombs to using every objects and killing people at random. honestly, i am just surprised that no one has broken into a city's water supply and poisoned it or something yet. Maybe thats the next step. G_B_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranvir Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: Every Avatar/guru/prophet is a another human being for the people who dont believe in them.Respect other's faith if you want respect for yours.If you cant then respect the rules of this forum. If I proclaim that I am a prophet and can get a couple of people to believe in me does that mean I can get respect without criticism? Ever heard of the Nation of Islam leader Elijah Mohammed? He was a prophet to his followers and he had crazy ideas such as White People being created by a black scientist who genetically modified black people until they became progressively lighter. These white people then literally became devils who enslaved black people. I'll give him respect though he was a prophet and a chosen man after all. That is all I will say on this matter but have a good think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 This is what is facing Britain and the west and its not pretty: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey G_B_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 8 hours ago, cric_fan said: Errr it is reported he is a convert so I doubt he is of Pakistani origin. Wait for confirmation before jumping up & down with excitement. Besides, he is British born so why drag Pakistan into it? Dimwit. Hello, who is blaming Pakistan? I said ROP. figure out what is ROP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 28 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Hello, who is blaming Pakistan? I said ROP. figure out what is ROP. Who is the dimwit? coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detonator Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) This seems to be a nutcase attack, ala "Salary man rampage" rather than a planned attack. He might have wanted to commit suicide, but got an idea to kill some kafirs to get a private suite in heaven. I think ISIS taking credit is a load of bull. If this had happened US he might have showed up with an AR-15, killing numerous people. Edited March 24, 2017 by Detonator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 RIP to the victims. These are such low tech attacks using cars and kitchen knives. How can this be stopped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Mariyam said: RIP to the victims. These are such low tech attacks using cars and kitchen knives. How can this be stopped? Reform has to come from within the community. The Imams who meet and guide people coming in mosques and prayer halls should be more open to sharing information with law enforcement agencies to prevent such attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachinism Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I live in London, but wasn't in town at the time of the attack. But what a *ing over-reaction we've had in response to the attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 10 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Reform has to come from within the community. The Imams who meet and guide people coming in mosques and prayer halls should be more open to sharing information with law enforcement agencies to prevent such attacks. If a person can attack with kitchen knives and cars then how do you expect society to accept anyone from such group. I know racial profiling is bad but do we realize the level of risk here. Every normal looking person walking on the streets or driving a car on a busy street now is a suspect. What have turned this world into? As you said, solution has to come from within the community. They lead and report every single activity against their own people or else strict profiling will start. Unfortunately, even I look like any other suspect so whether I like or not, I will suffer as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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