Match Ka Mujrim?

[Ultimate_Game]

6 hours ago, Mosher said:

Umesh bowled poorly but Jaddu and Pandya bowled worse than Umesh. But Umesh is the no.1 reason lol. Take your hate glasses off. The fact is it was a collective failure of our bowlers. None of them took wickets except Bhuvi. That's where we lost the game. 

Pandya is an all-rounder and he will always be the weakest bowling link. Comparing him with Umesh is a joke given Umesh is supposed to be a specialist bowler. Fact is Umesh leaked runs and never allowed India barely a chance to come back. The fact you are comparing Pandya with Umesh shows what sort of "glasses" you are wearing. Umesh needs to be compared with Bhuvi and Bumrah and both of them were comfortably better and if Umesh had bowled anywhere close to them and had similar bowling figures, say 0/54 off 10 instead of 0/67 off 9.4, India may yet have had a chance.

[Mosher]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Pandya is an all-rounder and he will always be the weakest bowling link. Comparing him with Umesh is a joke given Umesh is supposed to be a specialist bowler. Fact is Umesh leaked runs and never allowed India barely a chance to come back. The fact you are comparing Pandya with Umesh shows what sort of "glasses" you are wearing. Umesh needs to be compared with Bhuvi and Bumrah and both of them were comfortably better and if Umesh had bowled anywhere close to them and had similar bowling figures, say 0/54 off 10 instead of 0/67 off 9.4, India may yet have had a chance.

Conveniently left out Jaddu there. Well done. Is Jadeja an AR too ??? Jaddu and Pandya bowled so poorly that their overs had to be made up by part timers like Kohli and Jadhav. Yet you singled out Umesh as the "top" reason for our loss with no mention of Jadeja and Pandya. That shows bias and nothing else. You cannot defend par totals on flat tracks without picking up wickets and thats were we went wrong.

Edited June 9, 2017 by Mosher

[Khota]

Pandya is an all rounder who can neither bat nor bowl.

Fish rots from head first and the loss is on Kohli.

[Soorma_Bhopali]

80  runs scored in 25-40 overs cost us badly ..Shikhar, Kohli and Yuvraj dismissals cost us ..Also , our bowlers , when encountering the pata wicket, take too long for change of plans.

[Ultimate_Game]

2 hours ago, Mosher said:

Conveniently left out Jaddu there. Well done. Is Jadeja an AR too ??? Jaddu and Pandya bowled so poorly that their overs had to be made up by part timers like Kohli and Jadhav. Yet you singled out Umesh as the "top" reason for our loss with no mention of Jadeja and Pandya. That shows bias and nothing else. You cannot defend par totals on flat tracks without picking up wickets and thats were we went wrong.

I left out Jaddu coz he's a spinner and had a poor day as well but he isn't our bowling spearhead and is more of a bowling all-rounder the way Pandya is a batting all-rounder. But Umesh is supposed to be our bowling spearhead and wicket taker. He's in the team as a specialist bowler and you don't expect anything else from him. That's why i compared him to Bhuvi and Bumrah.

 

Pointing to Pandya and Jadeja for Umesh's p*ss poor performance shows how shyte he was and if you have to single out one bowler for that poor display, it would be Umesh. But of course he's "phaaast" and bowled such wonderful "thunderbolts" that were hammered to boundary that you would rather blame Pandya and Jadeja than a guy who consistently gets taken apart in shorter formats and his ER is one of the poorest at intl level. But yeah he's so "phaaast"  

[Mosher]

6 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

I left out Jaddu coz he's a spinner and had a poor day as well but he isn't our bowling spearhead and is more of a bowling all-rounder the way Pandya is a batting all-rounder. But Umesh is supposed to be our bowling spearhead and wicket taker. He's in the team as a specialist bowler and you don't expect anything else from him. That's why i compared him to Bhuvi and Bumrah.

 

Pointing to Pandya and Jadeja for Umesh's p*ss poor performance shows how shyte he was and if you have to single out one bowler for that poor display, it would be Umesh. But of course he's "phaaast" and bowled such wonderful "thunderbolts" that were hammered to boundary that you would rather blame Pandya and Jadeja than a guy who consistently gets taken apart in shorter formats and his ER is one of the poorest at intl level. But yeah he's so "phaaast"  

 

10 hours ago, Mosher said:

Umesh bowled poorly but Jaddu and Pandya bowled worse than Umesh. But Umesh is the no.1 reason lol. Take your hate glasses off. The fact is it was a collective failure of our bowlers. None of them took wickets except Bhuvi. That's where we lost the game. 

Nowhere have I said Umesh bowled wonderfully. All three bowlers Jadeja, Umesh and Pandya bowled poorly. Read before spouting rubbish.  
Jadeja is purely in the team as a our leading spinner in ODI's. He is not picked for his AR abilities . Pandya too is one of our 5 main bowlers who are entrusted in completing his 10 overs and doing a decent job. So the comparison between all the bowlers is a fair one. Jaddu is our main bowler in the middle overs someone who the team depends on being economical and picking odd wickets. He was so expensive that he didn't even complete his quota of overs and Kohli and Jadhav had to chip in because of him. We are lucky they didn't go for many runs else the match would have ended much faster. Yet Umesh was our worst bowler?? 

[NareshK]

2 hours ago, Soorma_Bhopali said:

80  runs scored in 25-40 overs cost us badly ..Shikhar, Kohli and Yuvraj dismissals cost us ..Also , our bowlers , when encountering the pata wicket, take too long for change of plans.

And what's even more baffling is most of those overs were bowled by part timers.

Edited June 9, 2017 by NareshK

[Ultimate_Game]

3 minutes ago, Mosher said:

 

Nowhere have I said Umesh bowled wonderfully. All three bowlers Jadeja, Umesh and Pandya bowled poorly. Read before spouting rubbish.  
Jadeja is purely in the team as a our leading spinner in ODI's. He is not picked for his AR abilities . Pandya too is one of our 5 main bowlers who are entrusted in completing his 10 overs and doing a decent job. So the comparison between all the bowlers is a fair one. Jaddu is our main bowler in the middle overs someone who the team depends on being economical and picking odd wickets. He was so expensive that he didn't even complete his quota of overs and Kohli and Jadhav had to chip in because of him. We are lucky they didn't go for many runs else the match would have ended much faster. Yet Umesh was our worst bowler?? 

And as I said Umesh deserves the most criticism as he's the specialist bowler and the supposed wkt taker. That's his role coz he sure can't bowl at the death. If Umesh had comparable figures to Bumrah and Bhuvi, i.e. say 0/54 off 10 instead of 0/67 off 9.4 we may yet have had a chance. But he simply leaked runs and boundaries in his 2nd spell and killed any chances we may have had.

[speedheat]

I left out Jaddu coz he's a spinner and had a poor day as well but he isn't our bowling spearhead and is more of a bowling all-rounder the way Pandya is a batting all-rounder. But Umesh is supposed to be our bowling spearhead and wicket taker. He's in the team as a specialist bowler and you don't expect anything else from him. That's why i compared him to Bhuvi and Bumrah.

 

Pointing to Pandya and Jadeja for Umesh's p*ss poor performance shows how shyte he was and if you have to single out one bowler for that poor display, it would be Umesh. But of course he's "phaaast" and bowled such wonderful "thunderbolts" that were hammered to boundary that you would rather blame Pandya and Jadeja than a guy who consistently gets taken apart in shorter formats and his ER is one of the poorest at intl level. But yeah he's so "phaaast"  

 

You has to be the worst hater on this forum, keep your blind hatred for umesh in you're pocket nobody is buying it, and yea where was you hiding? When umesh bowled beautifully with pace accuracy and bounce displaying all his skills vs bangla and pak, looks like u are still butthurt by that, umesh actually started really well but the problem was that jaddu and pandy failed to create any pressure or wickets in the middle overs which was the real mujrim thing of the match but all u interested is the blaming umesh.

[sandeep]

7 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

You has to be the worst hater on this forum, keep your blind hatred for umesh in you're pocket nobody is buying it, and yea where was you hiding? When umesh bowled beautifully with pace accuracy and bounce displaying all his skills vs bangla and pak, looks like u are still butthurt by that, umesh actually started really well but the problem was that jaddu and pandy failed to create any pressure or wickets in the middle overs which was the real mujrim thing of the match but all u interested is the blaming umesh.

 

Pandya is in the team as a part-time bowler who can provide us quick runs in the lower order.  Yadav is a front-line bowler.  Poor comparison.  And yes, Jadeja had a bad day.  But claiming that Umesh was only 2nd worst, is really no defense at all.  Like was said earlier, if Umesh even matches Bhuvi/Bumrah's runs conceded, we are left with at least 14 runs to defend in the last over.  I would back even a Pandya to pull that off.   

[Vilander]

23 hours ago, cric_fan said:

Their arrogance is the mujrim

no pak team was so piss poor in first game, it made some forget that indian batting actually sucked balls, many called it prior to CT actually.

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

I left out Jaddu coz he's a spinner and had a poor day as well but he isn't our bowling spearhead and is more of a bowling all-rounder the way Pandya is a batting all-rounder. But Umesh is supposed to be our bowling spearhead and wicket taker. He's in the team as a specialist bowler and you don't expect anything else from him. That's why i compared him to Bhuvi and Bumrah.

 

Pointing to Pandya and Jadeja for Umesh's p*ss poor performance shows how shyte he was and if you have to single out one bowler for that poor display, it would be Umesh. But of course he's "phaaast" and bowled such wonderful "thunderbolts" that were hammered to boundary that you would rather blame Pandya and Jadeja than a guy who consistently gets taken apart in shorter formats and his ER is one of the poorest at intl level. But yeah he's so "phaaast"  

but Jadeja was **** more **** than Umesh, for the records. And Pandya can not be trusted for 10 overs, he is not 5th bowler but part timer.

[speedheat]

 

Pandya is in the team as a part-time bowler who can provide us quick runs in the lower order.  Yadav is a front-line bowler.  Poor comparison.  And yes, Jadeja had a bad day.  But claiming that Umesh was only 2nd worst, is really no defense at all.  Like was said earlier, if Umesh even matches Bhuvi/Bumrah's runs conceded, we are left with at least 14 runs to defend in the last over.  I would back even a Pandya to pull that off.   

 

I am not comparing umesh with any one nor defending him, but blaming umesh and only umesh is some insane level hatred by that poster called ultimate, the moment umesh goes slightly wrong he seems to be jumping in joy and bumping each and every thread blaming umesh, going into the match closely umesh actually bowled really well in first 5 overs going only for 26 runs, at that point pressure was still on SL but pandy and jaddu couldn't hold on to that especially jaddu who went for 9rpo.

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, speedheat said:

 

You has to be the worst hater on this forum, keep your blind hatred for umesh in you're pocket nobody is buying it, and yea where was you hiding? When umesh bowled beautifully with pace accuracy and bounce displaying all his skills vs bangla and pak, looks like u are still butthurt by that, umesh actually started really well but the problem was that jaddu and pandy failed to create any pressure or wickets in the middle overs which was the real mujrim thing of the match but all u interested is the blaming umesh.

So it was Jaddu and Pandya who "failed to create the pressure" and it was not the great "phasst" bowler Umesh's fault  

 

Yeah I'm the hater when you throw likes of Jaddu and Pandya under the bus blindly defending the "phaast" bowler  

[DDfan2017]

6 hours ago, Soorma_Bhopali said:

80  runs scored in 25-40 overs cost us badly ..Shikhar, Kohli and Yuvraj dismissals cost us ..Also , our bowlers , when encountering the pata wicket, take too long for change of plans.

34 runs scored between 29 and 38 overs. These 9 overs cost the entire match.

Edited June 9, 2017 by DDfan2017

[sandeep]

5 minutes ago, DDfan2017 said:

34 runs scored between 29 and 38 overs. These 9 overs cost the entire match.

Yep.  And the Dhoni haters or the Dhoni defenders, won't like what the data shows, who were the guilty parties at that point.

[maniac]

2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

So it was Jaddu and Pandya who "failed to create the pressure" and it was not the great "phasst" bowler Umesh's fault  

 

Yeah I'm the hater when you throw likes of Jaddu and Pandya under the bus blindly defending the "phaast" bowler  

Should have played Sandeep atleast match wouldn't go till the 48th over and we would have had more time to practice for SA game

 

[Ultimate_Game]

3 minutes ago, maniac said:

Should have played Sandeep atleast match wouldn't go till the 48th over and we would have had more time to practice for SA game

 

If Sandeep was there we probably would've on it  He wouldn't have gifted all those boundaries to SL batsmen  

[Pollack]

35 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Yep.  And the Dhoni haters or the Dhoni defenders, won't like what the data shows, who were the guilty parties at that point.

Dhoni came in at 33.4 overs.

Between 33.4 to 40.0 overs:

Dhoni scored: 22 runs

Balls faced: 25

No. Of DoTS: 14

 

Don't think dhoni haters need to do any explaination. Dhawan, Yuvraj and Dhoni all three of them were terrible during this phase. To Yuvi's defence he looked out of touch.(Don't know why since his last innings was fluent)

 But Dhawan and dhoni were laid back and dhoni was showing his exemplary forward lunges.Both were showing no signs of acceleration.

 

[sandeep]

4 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Dhoni came in at 33.4 overs.

Between 33.4 to 40.0 overs:

Dhoni scored: 22 runs

Balls faced: 25

No. Of DoTS: 14

 

Don't think dhoni haters need to do any explaination. Dhawan, Yuvraj and Dhoni all three of them were terrible during this phase. To Yuvi's defence he looked out of touch.(Don't know why since his last innings was fluent)

 But Dhawan and dhoni were laid back and dhoni was showing his exemplary forward lunges.Both were showing no signs of acceleration.

 

 

Dhawan scored 14(23).   A set batsman who has faced 100 balls should be held way more responsible than a guy who just walked in, and was at 22(25).  Yuvraj's 7(18) is pretty poor too, but then he's a known struggler against spin early in his innings.