Who is Indias ODI captain ?

[Pollack]

4 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

its funny,instead of blaming kohli for his shortcomings you are weaving a hitchcock plot

• kohli played mishra in 4th test vs eng ,it was as pathetic as backing yuvi now and we know stories of kuldeep in dharamshala backed by rahane and dont even want to go backing of ishant agn n agn.I must also add about choosing right players the nonsense backing of rohit over pujara or batting rohit at 3(if that was actually his idea he is insane)
• agressive captaincy? playing fast bowlers ,celebrating maniacly ,acting childishly in press conf is aggressive?,he is tactically inept captain without much foresight is proven now,you may try to overlook 
• this was the first time he was under real pessure he crumbled but i give him benefit of doubt because of troubled relation with coach but that was also his doing

sorry for rant but it hillarious what you actually posted  btw you should follow his captaincy for rcb its same , conservative & deviod of ideas

The original point was not whether he backs the right players but that he is willing to make more changes unlike in ODIs. 

What ideas do you want him to apply in RCB? RCB was a batting flop this year. Bowling did good. He ran out of options in batting. Tried everyone but no one seem to do job. What else he can do in selections. The only point you can make against him is not giving chance to Avesh but then Avesh doesn't play a lot for state as well. But frankly their bowling did good overall this year.

However not implying he is tactically astute.

[jusarrived]

3 minutes ago, Pollack said:

The original point was not whether he backs the right players but that he is willing to make more changes unlike in ODIs. 

What ideas do you want him to apply in RCB? RCB was a batting flop this year. Bowling did good. He ran out of options in batting. Tried everyone but no one seem to do job. What else he can do in selections. The only point you can make against him is not giving chance to Avesh but then Avesh doesn't play a lot for state as well. But frankly their bowling did good overall this year.

However not implying he is tactically astute.

Isnt rahane a change ? Isn't yuvi a change ? Kuldeep ? Rahul ? 

 

If you just want to count the changes good or bad then hes made a few . 

 

So  you are suggesting hes not playin pant or dropping yuvi cos of Dhoni ?

[SK_IH]

Just now, Pollack said:

The original point was not whether he backs the right players but that he is willing to make more changes unlike in ODIs. 

What ideas do you want him to apply in RCB? RCB was a batting flop this year. Bowling did good. He ran out of options in batting. Tried everyone but no one seem to do job. What else he can do in selections. The only point you can make against him is not giving chance to Avesh but then Avesh doesn't play a lot for state as well. But frankly their bowling did good overall this year.

However not implying he is tactically astute.

firstly most of them changes were because of injuries but on RCB n IPL :

• i compare him to someone like rohit ,he had a plan and made team accordingly to win ipl,he couldve opened but he didnt made optimum use of players like parthiv,nitish where as virat opened himself wasted fit resources like kedar and obviously relied on experience like gayle,watson everytime like he likes to do and failed continuosly. Rohit is no tactical genius but he is better captain than kohli i have no doubt
• as far as bowling is concerned thats where cluelessness comes in,he continuously gave overs to badree agnst narine and then looked shocked after hammering,i dont know what he saw in aravind but he continuously played him ahead of chaudhary who bowled well in latter games,obviously because aravind was more experience

i mean i can go on amd on,virat relied on watson to bowl last overs multiple times,he got hammered all the times,he still bowled him 

[jusarrived]

Are you guys blaming the squad being picked for WI on Dhoni or just the paying 11 ? Just to be sure 

[SK_IH]

His captaincy failures are many in ipl, many people here dont take ipl seriously but virat has been captain all these years what has he achieved and what team has he built,relying on gayle,ab,watson and obviously yuvi for a year

someone like warner has outcaptained him all these years

[express bowling]

32 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Vijay was undropable at that point , he was a better tests bat than virat himself . That's just criminal and may have ruined vjs career who was really peaking at that point have done all the hard work on tough tours . It's not about one or 10 games , the fact that he could even think that rohit could replace vj makes me not trust him . Either he is dumb or got an agenda , both not good .

You have forgotten the circumstances in which that happened.

 

Vijay injured himself in a test and had to miss the next.  In the meantime, Dhawan scored a 84 and Rahul scored a 150+.

 

Vijay was not freshly dropped from that test. He was not included after becoming fit as the 2 existing openers had both performed in the meantime.

 

While I myself, had wanted Vijay to replace Dhawan, if a captain feels that a performer needs to continue, it cannot be called an agenda. In fact, Vijay is the one with Bunty Sajdeh, so it would seem that Kohli should have supported him.

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Same case with pujara .

 

Pujara had been  poor in 4 outside Asia test series....even in that test series against WI, he was not scring runs and there was a lot of clamour among the fans to drop him.  It was hardly a surprise.

 

I just oppose the inclusion of Rohit in test matches and not dropping Pujara in that series.

 

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Well we haven't played overseas yet , isn't that all what matters for some of you ? So we have done jack under him beating some really weak teams at home .

Dominant and continuous wins in home test series definitely matter to me, especially when most of those wins were on flat surfaces ( barring the 2nd test match against Australia and 4th test against England which were on turning tracks ). We even defeated Australia on a bouncy track in Dharamshala and a defeated NZ on a green track in Kolkata in test matches.

 

What weak teams !! We defeated England, Australia, South Africa and NZ too... basically all good test teams.

 

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It doesn't matter what some here in icf think , the point is he was reluctant to pick a young talent.

 

Now tell me what are these brilliant selections hes done with dhoni not around ? Correcting his own stupid mistakes don't count

Which new face have we seen in the test team lately ? 

 

We have seen new names like Jayant Yadav and Karun Nair in test matches.

 

But, it is not just a question of choosing new players.....most of the time he selected the right players in test matches...one or two wrong selections on occasions will happen even if you or I were the captain.

 

His aggressiveness as a test  captain was to go with 5 bowlers on more occasions than not with a purpose of taking 20 wickets.

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[SK_IH]

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What weak teams !! We defeated England, Australia, South Africa and NZ too... basically all good test teams.

apart from sa ,all other teams were those agnst whom a loss would been upset

eng we really enjoyed beating them finally after all those losses under dhoni but you have to admit it was a overhyped side who came in on back of 2-2 result at home vs pak and a test loss vs bangladesh

aus we shouldve crushed,ironically they gave good fight

 

 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, SK_IH said:

its funny,instead of blaming kohli for his shortcomings you are weaving a hitchcock plot

• kohli played mishra in 4th test vs eng ,it was as pathetic as backing yuvi now and we know stories of kuldeep in dharamshala backed by rahane and dont even want to go backing of ishant agn n agn.I must also add about choosing right players the nonsense backing of rohit over pujara or batting rohit at 3(if that was actually his idea he is insane)
• agressive captaincy? playing fast bowlers ,celebrating maniacly ,acting childishly in press conf is aggressive?,he is tactically inept captain without much foresight is proven now,you may try to overlook 
• this was the first time he was under real pessure he crumbled but i give him benefit of doubt because of troubled relation with coach but that was also his doing

sorry for rant but it hillarious what you actually posted  btw you should follow his captaincy for rcb its same , conservative & deviod of ideas

This is what happens when people do not understand a post and go on a rant. I am NOT talking about any conspiracy theory.

 

Most people seem to agree that Dhoni is taking a lot of on-field decisions in LOIs.

 

I am talking about the perils of split-leadership..... you often end up losing the plus points of both leaders and a conservative result ensues.

 

Dhoni is obviosly trying to help out Kohli and I don't blame him for that.

 

But, there must be one leader who is taking the final decisions.

 

Kohli as a captain has his pluses and minuses.....same with Dhoni.

 

Split leadership often leads to a middle-path where the pluses of both leaders are pushed to the background.

Edited July 1, 2017 by express bowling

[express bowling]

50 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

its funny,instead of blaming kohli for his shortcomings you are weaving a hitchcock plot

• kohli played mishra in 4th test vs eng ,it was as pathetic as backing yuvi now and we know stories of kuldeep in dharamshala backed by rahane and dont even want to go backing of ishant agn n agn.I must also add about choosing right players the nonsense backing of rohit over pujara or batting rohit at 3(if that was actually his idea he is insane)
• agressive captaincy? playing fast bowlers ,celebrating maniacly ,acting childishly in press conf is aggressive?,he is tactically inept captain without much foresight is proven now,you may try to overlook 
• this was the first time he was under real pessure he crumbled but i give him benefit of doubt because of troubled relation with coach but that was also his doing

sorry for rant but it hillarious what you actually posted  btw you should follow his captaincy for rcb its same , conservative & deviod of ideas

 

Another point is..... why should I or anyone else look ONLY at Kohli's shortcomings  ?

 

He has performed really well as a captain so far in terms of SERIES RESULTS.  Only failure is CT final.

 

All those nitpicked issues do not matter much as long as results are coming.

 

The ideal approach is to analyze both pluses and minuses.

[cricketfan28]

kohli is doing a good job.

[Ankit_sharma03]

53 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

@Ankit_sharma03 i disagree with you here about his captaincy working in test cricket ,he won many series but rahane looked much more tactically clever than kohli even in one test but being better captain tests after dhoni was not a difficult job i must say

Rahane captained a team built by kohli and their bigger test wud be overseas were they ll  have attack with pacer. One test is to small a sample for me.

 

Yea dhoni hasnt set to higher standards as test captain but that certainely shudnt  be target

[RAZPOR]

Kohli is an egomaniac ,who is too stupid to see whats wrong.

Edited July 1, 2017 by RAZPOR

[Khota]

Kohli at this stage is hurting Indian cricket.

[Pollack]

50 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Isnt rahane a change ? Isn't yuvi a change ? Kuldeep ? Rahul ? 

 

If you just want to count the changes good or bad then hes made a few . 

 

So  you are suggesting hes not playin pant or dropping yuvi cos of Dhoni ?

1)No. By changes meant changes in each match according to conditions. So playing Rahane, Yuvi for more matches on a trot are opposite of changes.

2)Yes.He makes very few changes in ODIs. 

3) Possible especially not playing Pant due to dhoni. Though for Yuvi he may be just showing friendship.   

[SK_IH]

23 minutes ago, express bowling said:

This is what happens when people do not understand a post and go on a rant. I am NOT talking about any conspiracy theory.

 

Most people seem to agree that Dhoni is taking a lot of on-field decisions in LOIs.

 

I am talking about the perils of split-leadership..... you often end up losing the plus points of both leaders and a conservative result ensues.

 

Dhoni is obviosly trying to help out Kohli and I don't blame him for that.

 

But, there must be one leader who is taking the final decisions.

 

Kohli as a captain has his pluses and minuses.....same with Dhoni.

 

Split leadership often leads to a middle-path where the pluses of both leaders are pushed to the background.

there is no spilt leadership,virat is captain in all three format what more he needs just dumb players who dont advice him at all

 

who are these people who think that dhoni is taking most on field decisions,are they any relevant persons or ignorant fans like you n me 

 

and you talk about no consipracy theory but you also assume virat is not taking final decisions on ground,its just assumption no concrete,you are making it sound like its first time a former captain is playing under new captain

[Rasgulla]

3 hours ago, Shaz1 said:

Dhoni is a great cricketer from your country. What ever he touches turns to gold. Don't be mad cause Virat can't replicate the same.

They didn't get an autograph so they ll cry a river online 

 

Atleast you guys stay together... That's not the case here... Real hypocrites here LOL

 

We all know Virat is crap LOI captain.. there is is a reason RCB doesn't win anything despite having World's Best players like Gayle Kohli ABD Starc yuvi.. Last year Rahul Kedar Chahal and many more..

 

Losers blame Dhoni is the reason for ODI team being the same  when kohli is part of corner stone (Player management company ) run by bunty sajdeh who is also very good friend of Virat kohli.. So this Bunty sajdeh's sister is married Rohit sharma. That's why he gets special treatment and Gets to play test matches Over players like Pujara and vijay who were dropped for this guy LOL

 

Rahane is also part of cornerstone and now getting to Yuvi... I believe he is a partner of Cornorstone... I don't see. Reason why 35 year old would come back to ODI team who was no where to be seen under Dhoni... So its Obvious he got his back and I am sure you heard about news between Kumble-Kohli.. Kumble wanted Kuldeep but he never got his debut under Virat... He was injured for one match and Rahane was given captaincy then kuldeep got to play and Did too well to be dropped.

 

But but Dhoni is the reason coming from  people with an agenda LOL is too funny

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 1, 2017 by Rasgulla

[SK_IH]

14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Rahane captained a team built by kohli and their bigger test wud be overseas were they ll  have attack with pacer. One test is to small a sample for me.

 

Yea dhoni hasnt set to higher standards as test captain but that certainely shudnt  be target

i agree about bigger tests awaiting but i disagree about kohli building this team,if anything umesh has flourished under him and rahul has become a major player,infact with kuldeep's inclusion it was as much virat side as rahane

but yeah one test is not too many to judge

[Rasgulla]

23 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Rahane captained a team built by kohli and their bigger test wud be overseas were they ll  have attack with pacer. One test is to small a sample for me.

 

Yea dhoni hasnt set to higher standards as test captain but that certainely shudnt  be target

Even Virat's Test captaincy is over rated.. All these players have lot of exp now after New team was build under Dhoni after seniors gone..

 

Hell even rahane looked like Better captain in that last Test match that shows anyone could lead this Test side to Victory at Home... The main challenge is away until then i won't buy into his Captaincy atall

Edited July 1, 2017 by Rasgulla

[Rasgulla]

1 hour ago, jusarrived said:

You mean like picking rohit and dhawan over likes of  pujara and vijay ? Playing 5 batsmen on bowler friendly pitches ? He dint even want to play kukdeep 

 

 

 

 

[Rasgulla]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

More than half the people in ICF did not want to play Kuldeep in tests, because Jayant Yadav was delivering as an all-rounder.

 If they start taking your and your group baised opinions into considerations we will have Umesh yadav as Captain and Aaron playing right beside him and Bhuvi will be no where to be seen in INTL cricket.. 

 

What a joke of a team would that be... Making our 90s bowling looks like that wasn't bad... This is even worse