Dhoni's standing in the pantheon of ODI legends/greats?

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, sandeep said:

If you were putting together a World all-time XI, and you could only pick one of Gilchrist or Dhoni, there's no way you pick Gilly.   There are other candidates who can play the hard-hitting opener slot at least as well as Gilly (avg 35, SR 96), but hard to find anyone who can come close to Dhoni's stats at #6.  And in terms of glove-work, Dhoni would have the edge as well.

 

Unless, you want to just hate on old grey-beard.  Then, by all means, throw logic out the window, and just post a few funny pics of him lunging.  

He also gives a captaincy options and many would go for him as a captain as well 

[sandeep]

33 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He also gives a captaincy options and many would go for him as a captain as well 

I forgot to post that - yeah definite candidate for captaincy.  Although Ponting and Warne would be candidates as well.   

[Pollack]

3 hours ago, sandeep said:

If you were putting together a World all-time XI, and you could only pick one of Gilchrist or Dhoni, there's no way you pick Gilly.   There are other candidates who can play the hard-hitting opener slot at least as well as Gilly (avg 35, SR 96), but hard to find anyone who can come close to Dhoni's stats at #6.  And in terms of glove-work, Dhoni would have the edge as well.

 

Unless, you want to just hate on old grey-beard.  Then, by all means, throw logic out the window, and just post a few funny pics of him lunging.  

I would pick Gilchrist without missing a heartbeat.

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He also gives a captaincy options and many would go for him as a captain as well 

A world 11 would have no shortage of captaincy candidates. Kapil dev anytime any day. In fact no need of many captains which would spoil things.

[Laaloo]

Looks like a lot of Dhoni PR guys voted for the first option  

[Pollack]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

after Ponting

Unfair. Pollock was neck to neck to Allan Donald in performance. But since he wasn't as entertaining as Allan he was overshadowed. Pollock would be in top 12 at least. 

[sandeep]

8 minutes ago, Pollack said:

I would pick Gilchrist without missing a heartbeat.

A world 11 would have no shortage of captaincy candidates. Kapil dev anytime any day. In fact no need of many captains which would spoil things.

And some delusional toygers would pick Mushfiqure Rahim ahead of both.  Doesn't mean jack.  Gilly was awesome, but also got to bat without worrying about consequences in an all-star batting unit backed up by top bowling.   And he could only really fit the bill as an ODI opener - lots of options for those 2 slots when picking an all-time World XI.   For #6, there's Dhoni and Bevan, and that's about it.  And you are either stupid or ignorant if you think Bevan > Dhoni in ODIs.   

 

Agree on the Captaincy - lot of candidates.  Kapil never came across as one who had a lot of tactical nous though.   

[Ankit_sharma03]

13 minutes ago, Pollack said:

I would pick Gilchrist without missing a heartbeat.

A world 11 would have no shortage of captaincy candidates. Kapil dev anytime any day. In fact no need of many captains which would spoil things.

Thats y i said many will go for dhoni, but their wud be few with other choices . Thats to each its own 

Havent seen kapil dev era cricket so wnt comment on that 

[Pollack]

3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

And some delusional toygers would pick Mushfiqure Rahim ahead of both.  Doesn't mean jack.  Gilly was awesome, but also got to bat without worrying about consequences in an all-star batting unit backed up by top bowling.   And he could only really fit the bill as an ODI opener - lots of options for those 2 slots when picking an all-time World XI.   For #6, there's Dhoni and Bevan, and that's about it.  And you are either stupid or ignorant if you think Bevan > Dhoni in ODIs.   

 

Agree on the Captaincy - lot of candidates.  Kapil never came across as one who had a lot of tactical nous though.   

But I am no delusional toyger.

Did not even mention Bevan in my post. From where does  Bevan> dhoni comparison arise. 

You are missing the point. A world eleven consists of best batsmen and bowler. A specialised finisher has jacksh!t utility in such a team. If such a top order fails, dhoni can do nothing at 5 or 6. 

 

BTW what were you smoking when you said Dhoni has better glove work than Gilchrist?   Batting is debatable but seriously dhoni better keeper?

 

 

[sandeep]

57 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Dhoni urinates all over the aussie when it comes to keeping up the stumps

Gross, but funny.

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Pollack said:

But I am no delusional toyger.

Did not even mention Bevan in my post. From where does  Bevan> dhoni comparison arise. 

You are missing the point. A world eleven consists of best batsmen and bowler. A specialised finisher has jacksh!t utility in such a team. If such a top order fails, dhoni can do nothing at 5 or 6. 

 

BTW what were you smoking when you said Dhoni has better glove work than Gilchrist?   Batting is debatable but seriously dhoni better keeper?

 

 

Yes Dhoni comfortably better than Gilly behind the stumps.  Daylights better.   

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, sandeep said:

And some delusional toygers would pick Mushfiqure Rahim ahead of both.  Doesn't mean jack.  Gilly was awesome, but also got to bat without worrying about consequences in an all-star batting unit backed up by top bowling.   And he could only really fit the bill as an ODI opener - lots of options for those 2 slots when picking an all-time World XI.   For #6, there's Dhoni and Bevan, and that's about it.  And you are either stupid or ignorant if you think Bevan > Dhoni in ODIs.   

 

Agree on the Captaincy - lot of candidates.  Kapil never came across as one who had a lot of tactical nous though.   

How was Indian batting any less potent than Australian line ups . If Gilly was table setter for all star batting line up. Dhoni was a finisher for all star batting line up.

 

I would take Gilly over Dhoni because he would be great in test matches too.

[philcric]

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How was Indian batting any less potent than Australian line ups . If Gilly was table setter for all star batting line up. Dhoni was a finisher for all star batting line up.

 

I would take Gilly over Dhoni because he would be great in test matches too.

 

Discussion here is about only ODIs.

 

In tests, Gilly is obviously far ahead of Dhoni.

 

 

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, philcric said:

 

Discussion here is about only ODIs.

 

In tests, Gilly is obviously far ahead of Dhoni.

 

 

It would be a tie in ODIs as you cannot go wrong with either but Gilly wins the tiebreaker because he was ATG in tests too. T20s it is no contest also.

 

Gilly is far better batsman overall where as Dhoni is street smart who suited more to odis alone.

Edited September 5, 2017 by putrevus

[sandeep]

46 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How was Indian batting any less potent than Australian line ups . If Gilly was table setter for all star batting line up. Dhoni was a finisher for all star batting line up.

 

I would take Gilly over Dhoni because he would be great in test matches too.

Agree that Gilly is ahead of Dhoni in test cricket - that's a given.  But in ODIs, both were great, and Dhoni would be picked ahead of gilly if you had to pick only one of them.  Ask die-hard Aussie fans why Gilly was nicknamed "Clang".  Hint - its because his hard hands used drop a bunch of chances.  And let's not even talk about keeping against spin (stumpings).   Dhoni can never be considered one of the best glovemen overall, but head-to-head, he surpasses Gilly quite easily in terms of keeping wickets.  

 

To give you an extreme example - Gilly only fits into an ODI team as an opener who bats like he has nothing to lose.   A high functioning Kaluwitharana.  An in-prime Dhoni can bat anywhere from #3 to #7, and would be a better choice for an all-time ODI ATG XI.

[putrevus]

15 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Agree that Gilly is ahead of Dhoni in test cricket - that's a given.  But in ODIs, both were great, and Dhoni would be picked ahead of gilly if you had to pick only one of them.  Ask die-hard Aussie fans why Gilly was nicknamed "Clang".  Hint - its because his hard hands used drop a bunch of chances.  And let's not even talk about keeping against spin (stumpings).   Dhoni can never be considered one of the best glovemen overall, but head-to-head, he surpasses Gilly quite easily in terms of keeping wickets.  

 

To give you an extreme example - Gilly only fits into an ODI team as an opener who bats like he has nothing to lose.   A high functioning Kaluwitharana.  An in-prime Dhoni can bat anywhere from #3 to #7, and would be a better choice for an all-time ODI ATG XI.

You cannot have player just for odis,Gilly as all round package is ahead due to tests and t20s. Even in odis Dhoni is not ahead it is at best tie. Who said Gilly could bat only at top, he was a proper batsman who could bat anywhere.With his SR and average he could bat anywhere and still be very effective.

You don't average 47 in tests and be just a slasher.It is an insult to greatest WK batsman to be compared to Kalu who was at best one or two seasons wonder.

Edited September 5, 2017 by putrevus

[MCcricket]

Dhoni deserves to be in a museum n not a cricket ground.

[Khota]

He was the best Indian Wkt keeper /batsman combination. Currently there are three better than him.

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

It would be a tie in ODIs as you cannot go wrong with either but Gilly wins the tiebreaker because he was ATG in tests too. T20s it is no contest also.

 

Gilly is far better batsman overall where as Dhoni is street smart who suited more to odis alone.

Problem is that while we have several options for opener, for 5-6, we have Bevan, dhoni and hussey. If you pick Gilchrist and don't want to pick Dhoni, you will have to pick one of Bevan and hussey and both are inferior to Dhoni. Anyway, it's not exclusive and both can be picked in XI.

[SK_IH]

2 hours ago, MCcricket said:

Dhoni deserves to be in a museum n not a cricket ground.

we might see him in madame tussauds soon ,you never know 

[SK_IH]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

He was the best Indian Wkt keeper /batsman combination. Currently there are three better than him.

Quite generous of you to state that but who are the three better than him at the moment in odis