Dhoni v Kohli in ODIs - who is better player?

[SK_IH]

1 minute ago, Shunya said:

Dhoni is one of the first name you put while selecting all time Indian ODI XI. No competition. As a package(wk+batsman+captain) its almost impossible to find someone like him. True MVP candidate.

Kohli, Sachin, Yuvi, Ganguly, Dravid, Azhar, Sehwag, Rohit, Shikhar, Gauti, etc all will have fair competition to book their spot in the XI. And we will keep on churning lot of good batsman in future as well.

Well Kohli will be 1st or 2nd name too ,he is not competing with likes of Dravid/Azhar/yuvi lol

[Shunya]

11 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Well Kohli will be 1st or 2nd name too ,he is not competing with likes of Dravid/Azhar/yuvi lol

True, maybe Kohli has surpassed most of the batsman in ODIs. But I still feel, we never had deficiency in batting talent in our team. Our system keep on producing great batsman since long time. However, WK-batsman-captain package so good was never seen. Hopefully, we get one more soon like Dhoni to take it forward post WC.

Edited December 10, 2017 by Shunya

[putrevus]

Those who are citing Kohli not able to perform in finals, didn't Dhoni play in those finals what great performances has he given in them.

 

One final in which Dhoni performed Kohli played an important role there and other Major finals Kohli was the highest scorer.

[Trichromatic]

12 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Those who are citing Kohli not able to perform in finals, didn't Dhoni play in those finals what great performances has he given in them.

 

One final in which Dhoni performed Kohli played an important role there and other Major finals Kohli was the highest scorer.

Kohli averages 22 in those finals and Dhoni 52. 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MS Dhoni	2009-2017	8	8	2	315	91*	52.50	382	82.46	0	3	1	26	6
SK Raina	2009-2013	7	6	0	205	106	34.16	213	96.24	1	0	0	16	4
SR Tendulkar	2009-2011	2	2	0	156	138	78.00	147	106.12	1	0	0	12	1
V Kohli	2009-2017	8	8	1	154	43	22.00	198	77.77	0	0	0	17	1
Yuvraj Singh	2009-2017	5	5	2	125	56*	41.66	130	96.15	0	1	1	16	1
RA Jadeja	2010-2017	5	5	2	116	38	38.66	156	74.35	0	0	0	3	2
RG Sharma	2010-2017	5	5	0	113	58	22.60	167	67.66	0	1	1	9	1
G Gambhir	2010-2011	3	3	0	112	97	37.33	140	80.00	0	1	1	11	0
KD Karthik	2010-2013	4	4	0	95	66	23.75	134	70.89	0	1	1	12	0

 

 

But yeah. let's pretend they are close performers when it comes to finals even though Kohli is only specialist Indian batsman in last 40 years who is yet to score a half century in an ODI final even after playing so many.

[speedheat]

Kohli all the way over that jealous guy

 

[worldpositive1]

Dhoni survived 2 umpires decision or else he could have been fked and we could have been fked

[mishra]

36 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Kohli averages 22 in those finals and Dhoni 52. 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MS Dhoni	2009-2017	8	8	2	315	91*	52.50	382	82.46	0	3	1	26	6
SK Raina	2009-2013	7	6	0	205	106	34.16	213	96.24	1	0	0	16	4
SR Tendulkar	2009-2011	2	2	0	156	138	78.00	147	106.12	1	0	0	12	1
V Kohli	2009-2017	8	8	1	154	43	22.00	198	77.77	0	0	0	17	1
Yuvraj Singh	2009-2017	5	5	2	125	56*	41.66	130	96.15	0	1	1	16	1
RA Jadeja	2010-2017	5	5	2	116	38	38.66	156	74.35	0	0	0	3	2
RG Sharma	2010-2017	5	5	0	113	58	22.60	167	67.66	0	1	1	9	1
G Gambhir	2010-2011	3	3	0	112	97	37.33	140	80.00	0	1	1	11	0
KD Karthik	2010-2013	4	4	0	95	66	23.75	134	70.89	0	1	1	12	0

 

 

But yeah. let's pretend they are close performers when it comes to finals even though Kohli is only specialist Indian batsman in last 40 years who is yet to score a half century in an ODI final even after playing so many.

Pawned

[putrevus]

42 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Kohli averages 22 in those finals and Dhoni 52. 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MS Dhoni	2009-2017	8	8	2	315	91*	52.50	382	82.46	0	3	1	26	6
SK Raina	2009-2013	7	6	0	205	106	34.16	213	96.24	1	0	0	16	4
SR Tendulkar	2009-2011	2	2	0	156	138	78.00	147	106.12	1	0	0	12	1
V Kohli	2009-2017	8	8	1	154	43	22.00	198	77.77	0	0	0	17	1
Yuvraj Singh	2009-2017	5	5	2	125	56*	41.66	130	96.15	0	1	1	16	1
RA Jadeja	2010-2017	5	5	2	116	38	38.66	156	74.35	0	0	0	3	2
RG Sharma	2010-2017	5	5	0	113	58	22.60	167	67.66	0	1	1	9	1
G Gambhir	2010-2011	3	3	0	112	97	37.33	140	80.00	0	1	1	11	0
KD Karthik	2010-2013	4	4	0	95	66	23.75	134	70.89	0	1	1	12	0

 

 

But yeah. let's pretend they are close performers when it comes to finals even though Kohli is only specialist Indian batsman in last 40 years who is yet to score a half century in an ODI final even after playing so many.

Don't give me these nonsensical averages, other than his flukey 91 no, what the heck has Dhoni done.Dhoni can't touch Kohli in any of the batting front I don't care what Dhoni has done in past or will do in future he is not even in the same ball park as Kohli the batsman.

 

Kohli is Dhoni plus Sachin combined, he is one guy who has made this ODI team remain relevant.

[jusarrived]

Massive MSD fan here , but will pick Virat ..he can do everything MSD can do and more . 

[Trichromatic]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Don't give me these nonsensical averages, other than his flukey 91 no, what the heck has Dhoni done.Dhoni can't touch Kohli in any of the batting front I don't care what Dhoni has done in past or will do in future he is not even in the same ball park as Kohli the batsman.

 

Kohli is Dhoni plus Sachin combined, he is one guy who has made this ODI team remain relevant.

Leave that 91 out and he has still more runs than Kohli in those finals. Any reason for that?

 

Sachin + Dhoni combined. Let him score a fifty in any final first. 

[jusarrived]

1 hour ago, Shunya said:

Dhoni is one of the first name you put while selecting all time Indian ODI XI. No competition. As a package(wk+batsman+captain) its almost impossible to find someone like him. True MVP candidate.

Kohli, Sachin, Yuvi, Ganguly, Dravid, Azhar, Sehwag, Rohit, Shikhar, Gauti, etc all will have fair competition to book their spot in the XI. And we will keep on churning lot of good batsman in future as well.

MVP yes , but the question is MSD the batsmen vs Virat . 

[worldpositive1]

Bihari has no century outside asia, he is only good for sri lanka, pakistan and bangladesh. Virat is the real king. 

[Shunya]

10 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

MVP yes , but the question is MSD the batsmen vs Virat . 

Oh yeah, as batsman Kohli is head and shoulders above everyone else in ODIs, even Sachin. 

But India has always produced great batsmen and I am sure we will be producing a lot more in future too. But Dhoni as a package brought plenty of things in the team which missed it for years, its hard to replicate that. 

Edited December 10, 2017 by Shunya

[jusarrived]

4 hours ago, mishra said:

Exactly. We can easily find alternative for Kohli which will be good enough to win odis.Its also possible to get alternative to MSD who is as good or may be slightly better than him with bat, But same guy to have Dhoniconda brain and lead the side. Its next to impossible. India will never produce another Dhoni.

Another Kohli. I am certain there is one in touching distance in domestic circle even now. It just that Kohli isnt letting selectors look at it.

A batsmen who can average 50+ in all three formats is in touching distance ?

There may be a few things Virat has still to achieve , but lets not forget hes still got may be another 8-10 years for cricket left in him  and hes already close to a complete package . 

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Leave that 91 out and he has still more runs than Kohli in those finals. Any reason for that?

 

Sachin + Dhoni combined. Let him score a fifty in any final first. 

So scoring runs in some nonsensical tri-series final will make Dhoni a better batsman.Even Dhoni would laugh at your statement.

 

Kohli in my book failed in one major finals which Dhoni also played and failed. CT 13 it was due Kohli's knock India wound up winning the match. 2011 Kohli played pivotal role in arresting the slide and gave the team momentum back.

[raki05]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

Yes, that's what I clearly meant in other posts, ONLY finals. It was obvious, wasn't it?

I highly doubt India has played 14 ICC final when Dhoni and Kohli played together.

[Trichromatic]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

So scoring runs in some nonsensical tri-series final will make Dhoni a better batsman.Even Dhoni would laugh at your statement.

 

Kohli in my book failed in one major finals which Dhoni also played and failed. CT 13 it was due Kohli's knock India wound up winning the match. 2011 Kohli played pivotal role in arresting the slide and gave the team momentum back.

Scoring in final isn't great, but being only player not to score 50 in history is certainly big question mark.

[putrevus]

Let me get this straight ,Kohli who single handedly took India to one T20 finals and even scored fifty in that finals where Dhoni flops big time both as a captain and batsman. Second takes a useless team again to semis of second t20 world cup where he top scores with 90 odd where Dhoni the captain/player again let him down again as usual.

 

This Kohli all of sudden suffers from nerves just because it is 50 over finals never mind a small fact that this guy has scored 32 odi hundreds.People have weird imaginations.

[putrevus]

7 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Scoring in final isn't great, but being only player not to score 50 in history is certainly big question mark.

It certainly doesn't raise anything , it is just a statistical anomaly which Kohli will fix in coming years.

[Trichromatic]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

It certainly doesn't raise anything , it is just a statistical anomaly which Kohli will fix in coming years.

When he fixes it, he will be ahead.