Rohit Sharma v Virat Kohli - who has been better performer in ODIs in last 3 years? Stats indicate that Rohit has been more consistent, especially in chases/important matches/difficult tracks

[fineleg]

What are the BEST difficult situation knocks in ODIs of VK and RS ?

(Not in terms of runs alone, but taking into account match-pressure situation, opposition bowling quality (reasonably good), and maybe slightly favorable to bowlers pitch or weather conditions). Could you list a few?

This 200* of RS is one of that - that can be listed. SL is not quality bowling attack but Lakmal reasonably good and slightly favorable to bowlers at start - conditions, and series leveler (yea yea SL only but still). This is one such for RS, any others for RS and similar for VK?

Edited December 13, 2017 by fineleg

[Trichromatic]

5 hours ago, Scar said:

I like Rohit a lot but he never show up when we need him a lot or have to walk the talk. In this regard, Kohli easily passes him even if stats doesn't show much difference. For example, after calling Amir an ordinary bowler, he had opportunity to prove it but he gave reason to padosis to lay into him after getting out in humiliating fashion. In 2015 world cup semis he had opportunity to take charge of the chase but he didn't, in CT final wanted him to play things out and not expose kohli to new ball when opposition's bowlers tails were up, in many such moments when team wants him to come good, he failed to deliver yet he is a player any team wish to have as without him scoring, we wouldn't be in that position so it's all good but he is definitely a rung below Kohli. 

Yes exactly.

 

Ex -

1. Carlton series in Aus 2015

 Indian team struggled against pacers, Starc took 6-fer in one match and England bowled out India for 150s and 200 against Eng, scored 267 against Aus.

 

Kohli scored vital 24 runs in 4 matches, while Rohit Sharma was hiding behind with a score of 138 against rampaging Starc.

 

2. World Cup 2015

Quartner final: Rohit Sharma scored useless 130 runs while Kohli scored vital 3 runs.

Semi final: Rohit Sharma scored boring 34 runs, while king of chases scored probably best inning of 1 run. That most crucial breathtaking 1 run was best inning in history of cricket.

 

3. Lost series against Bangladesh

Kohli tried very hard to save the series by scoring massive 49 runs in 3 matches at avg of 16, only if Rohit hadn't sucked so much by scoring 93 at avg of 30 in those matches.

 

First match in which Rohit Sharma scored paltry 60 odd while chasing.

 

4. Lost series against SA

India lost home series against SA. First match by 5 runs. Rohit could manage meagre 150 runs against Steyn, Rabada and Morkel, while greatest chaser in history scored huge score of 11 runs, only if Rohit hadn't got out so cheaply and helped Kohli to win match for India.

 

3rd ODI : Again India were chasing and while Kohli blazed 77 runs at SR of 77, tuk tuk Rohit scored 65 run at SR of 87 causing loss by 18 runs.

 

Kohli did blunt the effect of Rohit Sharma by playing a match winning knock in 4th ODI.

 

Series Decider - whole team choked

 

5. Lost series in Aus 2016

After great success against lalloo bowlers like Starc, Cummins and Anderson, Kohli faced ATG bowlers like Joel Paris, Kane Richardson, Boland and scores were like

 

Kohli    Rohit

91        171

59        124

117       6

106      41

 

India lost all 4 matches, some while chasing too. Won last game while chasing as the match winner scored 8 runs while Rohit scored just 99

 

Dunno why dumb guys selected Rohit Sharma as MoS.

 

6. Home series against NZ

Series decider last match

Rohit 70(65)          Kohli 65(76)

 

7. Champions Trophy 2017

1st match

Rohit 91(107)      Kohli 81(68)

 

2nd Match

Rohit 78       Kohli 0

 

3rd Match - Semi final

Rohit 123      Kohli 96     MoM - Rohit

 

Final while chasing

Rohit 0 that too after being given lifeline on previous ball

Kohli 5 runs

 

Clearly Kohli is more consistent, greatest chaser and performs in important matches against great teams and great bowlers, while Rohit chokes, plays only on flat pitches and against weak attacks.  

 

And current series

 

8. SL 2017

Rohit could score only 200 on flat pitch against weak attack.

 

 

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

There was something for seamers early on, not a minefield like game on but not pitch where you could just come in and start okay shots.

makes it even more special for Rohit then.

[Pollack]

8 hours ago, surajmal said:

lolwut?! Tailunt is the ultimate FTB (even more than warner and sehwag)

He is much better now. No batsman can survive crazy swing. 

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, fineleg said:

What are the BEST difficult situation knocks in ODIs of VK and RS ?

(Not in terms of runs alone, but taking into account match-pressure situation, opposition bowling quality (reasonably good), and maybe slightly favorable to bowlers pitch or weather conditions). Could you list a few?

This 200* of RS is one of that - that can be listed. SL is not quality bowling attack but Lakmal reasonably good and slightly favorable to bowlers at start - conditions, and series leveler (yea yea SL only but still). This is one such for RS, any others for RS and similar for VK?

Check my previous post.

 

 

[Trichromatic]

41 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Yes exactly.

 

Ex -

1. Carlton series in Aus 2015

 Indian team struggled against pacers, Starc took 6-fer in one match and England bowled out India for 150s and 200 against Eng, scored 267 against Aus.

 

Kohli scored vital 24 runs in 4 matches, while Rohit Sharma was hiding behind with a score of 138 against rampaging Starc.

 

2. World Cup 2015

Quartner final: Rohit Sharma scored useless 130 runs while Kohli scored vital 3 runs.

Semi final: Rohit Sharma scored boring 34 runs, while king of chases scored probably best inning of 1 run. That most crucial breathtaking 1 run was best inning in history of cricket.

 

3. Lost series against Bangladesh

Kohli tried very hard to save the series by scoring massive 49 runs in 3 matches at avg of 16, only if Rohit hadn't sucked so much by scoring 93 at avg of 30 in those matches.

 

First match in which Rohit Sharma scored paltry 60 odd while chasing.

 

4. Lost series against SA

India lost home series against SA. First match by 5 runs. Rohit could manage meagre 150 runs against Steyn, Rabada and Morkel, while greatest chaser in history scored huge score of 11 runs, only if Rohit hadn't got out so cheaply and helped Kohli to win match for India.

 

3rd ODI : Again India were chasing and while Kohli blazed 77 runs at SR of 77, tuk tuk Rohit scored 65 run at SR of 87 causing loss by 18 runs.

 

Kohli did blunt the effect of Rohit Sharma by playing a match winning knock in 4th ODI.

 

Series Decider - whole team choked

 

5. Lost series in Aus 2016

After great success against lalloo bowlers like Starc, Cummins and Anderson, Kohli faced ATG bowlers like Joel Paris, Kane Richardson, Boland and scores were like

 

Kohli    Rohit

91        171

59        124

117       6

106      41

 

India lost all 4 matches, some while chasing too. Won last game while chasing as the match winner scored 8 runs while Rohit scored just 99

 

Dunno why dumb guys selected Rohit Sharma as MoS.

 

6. Home series against NZ

Series decider last match

Rohit 70(65)          Kohli 65(76)

 

7. Champions Trophy 2017

1st match

Rohit 91(107)      Kohli 81(68)

 

2nd Match

Rohit 78       Kohli 0

 

3rd Match - Semi final

Rohit 123      Kohli 96     MoM - Rohit

 

Final while chasing

Rohit 0 that too after being given lifeline on previous ball

Kohli 5 runs

 

Clearly Kohli is more consistent, greatest chaser and performs in important matches against great teams and great bowlers, while Rohit chokes, plays only on flat pitches and against weak attacks.  

 

And current series

 

8. SL 2017

Rohit could score only 200 on flat pitch against weak attack.

 

 

Few more series

 

9. WI series

Rohit didn't play

India while chasing on difficult pitch

Target: 190 runs in 50 overs     Kohli   3 runs

 

9. SL series

Easy chase in first match

 

One of the most difficult chase in recent time, 2nd match

Rohit 54,    Kohli 4

 

3rd Match: India 61-4

Rohit 124    Kohli 3

 

4th match, FTB by both scoring 100 each, 5th match dead rubber - century by Kohli

 

10 Australia series at home

India chased in last 3 matches at Indore, Bangalore and Nagpur

Kohli in those 3 matches - 28, 21 and 39

 

Rohit in those 3 matches - 71, 65, 125

 

11. NZ series at home

 

2nd and 3rd games won by India

 

2nd while chasing

Rohit 7     Kohli 29

 

3rd match, series decider

Rohit 147    Kohli 113     MoM Rohit

[Gollum]

9 hours ago, surajmal said:

lolwut?! Tailunt is the ultimate FTB (even more than warner and sehwag)

Being FTB or HTB isn't necessarily a bad thing, don't be so condescending. 

[Gollum]

@Trichromatic great couple of posts, you have opened my eyes. Before you posted I would have put Kohli marginally ahead, now I'll put Rohit marginally ahead. 

[sergio04]

rohit sharma is actually more clutch player than vk in odi

i never knew before 

 

 

[Vk1]

Whoever helps in winning the worldcup will become the knight.

[Vijy]

On 12/13/2017 at 2:29 PM, Gollum said:

@Trichromatic great couple of posts, you have opened my eyes. Before you posted I would have put Kohli marginally ahead, now I'll put Rohit marginally ahead. 

potato is a good ODI bat, except that he does understandably have a preference towards bashing monster scores on flattish pitches.

[Scar]

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 6:50 PM, sarcastic said:

Can you please list all innings where Kohli showed up in important situations in ODIS.

Please don't quote T20 innings. I am very well aware of them. 

Sure, CT 2013 finals, World cup 2015 match against Pakistan.

[Scar]

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 11:36 PM, Trichromatic said:

Yes exactly.

 

Ex -

1. Carlton series in Aus 2015

 Indian team struggled against pacers, Starc took 6-fer in one match and England bowled out India for 150s and 200 against Eng, scored 267 against Aus.

 

Kohli scored vital 24 runs in 4 matches, while Rohit Sharma was hiding behind with a score of 138 against rampaging Starc.

 

2. World Cup 2015

Quartner final: Rohit Sharma scored useless 130 runs while Kohli scored vital 3 runs.

Semi final: Rohit Sharma scored boring 34 runs, while king of chases scored probably best inning of 1 run. That most crucial breathtaking 1 run was best inning in history of cricket.

 

3. Lost series against Bangladesh

Kohli tried very hard to save the series by scoring massive 49 runs in 3 matches at avg of 16, only if Rohit hadn't sucked so much by scoring 93 at avg of 30 in those matches.

 

First match in which Rohit Sharma scored paltry 60 odd while chasing.

 

4. Lost series against SA

India lost home series against SA. First match by 5 runs. Rohit could manage meagre 150 runs against Steyn, Rabada and Morkel, while greatest chaser in history scored huge score of 11 runs, only if Rohit hadn't got out so cheaply and helped Kohli to win match for India.

 

3rd ODI : Again India were chasing and while Kohli blazed 77 runs at SR of 77, tuk tuk Rohit scored 65 run at SR of 87 causing loss by 18 runs.

 

Kohli did blunt the effect of Rohit Sharma by playing a match winning knock in 4th ODI.

 

Series Decider - whole team choked

 

5. Lost series in Aus 2016

After great success against lalloo bowlers like Starc, Cummins and Anderson, Kohli faced ATG bowlers like Joel Paris, Kane Richardson, Boland and scores were like

 

Kohli    Rohit

91        171

59        124

117       6

106      41

 

India lost all 4 matches, some while chasing too. Won last game while chasing as the match winner scored 8 runs while Rohit scored just 99

 

Dunno why dumb guys selected Rohit Sharma as MoS.

 

6. Home series against NZ

Series decider last match

Rohit 70(65)          Kohli 65(76)

 

7. Champions Trophy 2017

1st match

Rohit 91(107)      Kohli 81(68)

 

2nd Match

Rohit 78       Kohli 0

 

3rd Match - Semi final

Rohit 123      Kohli 96     MoM - Rohit

 

Final while chasing

Rohit 0 that too after being given lifeline on previous ball

Kohli 5 runs

 

Clearly Kohli is more consistent, greatest chaser and performs in important matches against great teams and great bowlers, while Rohit chokes, plays only on flat pitches and against weak attacks.  

 

And current series

 

8. SL 2017

Rohit could score only 200 on flat pitch against weak attack.

 

 

Look I am not undermining Rohit's achievement. It's compliment for someone like Rohit to be compared to Kohli who is bonafide ATG. The innings you listed how many of those innings resulted in win for the team against top 6 nations. I will have no qualms in accepting that he is better than kohli if stats prove otherwise to what I said.

Edited December 17, 2017 by Scar
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